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[Iorv3th]

Who the hell has multiple Xboxes in their home?

Me and my wife both have our own on different TV's in different rooms. Single player games we only buy 1 copy of and share it. Multiplayer co-op games we buy two copies. I am not buying two copies of every game.

 

[BlazingDarkness]

So if I take the game over to my buddies house, would I still have to install it? Because internet is slow as fuck around here and I don't want to sit around and "install" my physical copy of a game for hours before we could even start playing.

Yes you would need to install partially to their system I believe, but games will be playable during installation, no waiting.

 

[Broder Salsa]

It's both hilarious and sad the way he tries to spin it and talk around it.

 

[SapientWolf]

It sounds exactly like MS's DRM for DD games on the 360, with whatever scheme they concocted for secondary sales on top of it. The physical discs are just a convenience.

I'm guessing that retailers have a way to revoke the license and request a new one for a fee. The big question mark is how rentals would work, since the license fee would make that business model unprofitable. Maybe MS will offer time limited licenses and get in on the rental business themselves.

 

[ultron87]

I love how he tries to explain how this is no different than using discs right now, except for all the ways it is, like when I go to a friend's house and leave a game behind he DOESN'T HAVE TO FUCKING PAY OR LOG INTO MY PROFILE TO PLAY IT!

But yes, totally the same thing Phil.

It seems like the critical difference here from their side is that even if you leave the disc at your friends you can still play it on your console.

The disc is entirely meaningless in this scenario and apparently on the Xbox One in general.

 

[$h@d0w]

This confirms Phil Harrison is actually a double agent and never stopped working for Sony.

 

[Veins]

So what about two people on the same console and saving? If you have to login to whoever bought the game, does that mean you can only have 1 set of saves?

 

[Carl]

Phil mate, just...stop talking.

 

[PepsimanVsJoe]

Phil already had a previous quote that it would be the "same as current retail"

What's going to be hilarious is when somebody buys a game (on sale or otherwise) for $30, but whoever buys the used copy will have to pay $60 to re-activate it.

Considering how shit the Games On Demand prices typically are, I'm expecting the worst.

 

[Joel Was Right]

Phil already had a previous quote that it would be the "same as current retail"

That's the problem. I don't sell or buy pre-owned games from retailers because they charge extortionate prices (e.g. buy it off you at 45% its retail value new and then they sell it for 75% its value).

I want this scheme to allow customers to sell to each other if they so wish, and preferably choose the price they want it at. If the credit is locked to Xbox Live, I can live with that; it'll allow us to build our own community market.

 

[jaaz]

One thing people are not focusing on is that this will allow MS to better price-control(fix) the price of new games that have been on the market for a while. I will eat my shorts if new games don't take A LOT longer to drop from their $59 initial price point to $49, $39, etc., IF THEY EVER DO. Without the pressure of the used game market on new game sales, what real incentive does MS have to drop the price of new games that have been on the market for a while?

 

[ZombiePlatypus]

This whole thing sounds like a convoluted mess presented as a nice "fuck you" package to consumers.

 

[Duke Togo]

Well, this xbox announcement can't get any worse. Literally every piece of news makes the situation more convoluted and ridiculous.

 

[smurfx]

Phil already had a previous quote that it would be the "same as current retail"

i'm talking about when you want to sell your cd key to somebody else. the fees will end up eating into your profit and most people will end up buying it cheaper at retail after a price collapse.

 

[Version 3.0]

Microsoft have every right to get some of that second hand pie from gamespot. No issues with that. Those guys are the biggest rip offs in any market.

First of all, it's GameStop, not GameSpot. And secondly, this has nothing to do with them. It's about us. Microsoft does NOT have the right to determine if I can sell something I bought, or even the right to KNOW if I sell it.

 

[BolognaSoup]

What a mess. I have no idea what's going on at this point.

 

[ironcreed]

This is all so sleezy and frankly annoying and insulting.

Just give us the damn truth of it all or shove your console.

Oh, it's obvious that this is their intent... and they are doing a most insulting job of trying to explain it away by telling us what they already confirmed and then try to make it sound like it is not what it actually is. Talk about twisting the knife that they already planted in their own foot.

 

[Vamphuntr]

My guess is that you will have to deactivate your license online first before you trade it and the store where you will trade it in will have a machine to check if the license is free before taking it.

 

[Devilgunman]

His talk is like trying to convince that a dog turd doesn't smell that bad.

 

[Tylahedras]

So what about two people on the same console and saving? If you have to login to whoever bought the game, does that mean you can only have 1 set of saves?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bSxuXQCEC7M

Is Phil's head spinning yet?

 

[Elwood Blues]

Gotta keep fucking that chicken.

 

[Phreaker]

What is this playing at the same time, but buying it when you already have the bits?! Sounds like if you are not the original owner you have to buy the game even if you have the bits.

 

[hteng]

If your friend has no internet connection he couldn't play it anyway.

You have to be online to install the game the first time you play.

well fuck me side ways.

Though i think hackers and pirates are gonna be tempted to break the console when it's out.

 

[AzaK]

We think that most of the biggest games on Xbox One and most of the games and experiences and services you want to use will be internet-connected.

On other words "You don't have to be internet connected, but if you don't some stuff just won't work. What that is could be anything......or everything. Your choice"

 

[El Sloth]

The Manchurian Executive.

 

[digoutyoursoul]

Liar

 

[Grover Cleveland]

If today's taught me anything, it's that Microsoft has absolutely no idea what the Xbox One actually is.

 

[Gintoki313]

They just can't admit they messed up. This explanation sounded like the last explanation they gave, but more subtle. Which being subtle about this doesn't help at all because the big picture is paying to play a friend's game. I'm extremely confused by this and they won't stop talking so much that there confusing everyone.

Seriously I don't understand anything about the Xbox One anymore. All I can say is... bits.

 

[ultron87]

My guess is that you will have to deactivate your license online first before you trade it in and the store where you will trade it in will have a machine to check if the license is free before taking it.

If you could do that freely before you give it to your friend this whole thing would be a non issue.

 

[Pooya]

that is all fascinating, it's like he doesn't know the difference in what he's saying...

 

[Joel Was Right]

My guess is that you will have to deactivate your license online first before you trade it and the store where you will trade it in will have a machine to check if the license is free before taking it.

Problem is most game retailers here in the UK have closed up shop. It's supermarkets or online retailers now.

 

[Dartastic]

"The bits are on your hard drive. At the end of the play session, when I take my disc home - or even if I leave it with you - if you want to continue to play that game [on your profile] then you have to pay for it. The bits are already on your hard drive, so it's just a question of going to our [online] store and buying the game, and then it's instantly available to play.

"The bits that are on the disc, I can give to anybody else, but if we both want to play it at the same time, we both have to own it. That's no different to how discs operate today."

Yes it is different you asshat. My friend has the physical media the disk is on. My friend cannot play it because he now has to buy the game, even though he has the media and I do not. Jesus fucking Christ on a goddamn stick how do they not get this.

 

[Chamber]

I feel for ya, Phil. Must be having flashbacks to 2006.

 

[OrlanisWorks]

Sounds like shit to me.


Can't let my friend borrow a game? Go fuck yourself. No used games either, eh? Go double fuck yourself. I'm talking DP, Microsoft.

 

[indigo-cyclops]

Dat Phil Harrison double talk.

Seriously, there's no way they can make this sound good unless you're a dingbat that can't read.

Just have to say, always love seeing someone else use 'dingbat'. I use it a lot for some reason.

 

[Jawmuncher]

This is what my "friend" had to say about that article

hmmm thats awesome
i dont mind that you have to been always connect to the internet or that you cant borrow or play used games. its understandable why they did that.

nope, playstation is turing their console into a pc. microsoft is just trying to get the money they deserve for what they made

I think I can chalk that up to PURE fanboyism.
I don't even want to bother replying to that remark.

 

[Falnabol]

The rights to the games are the same as current xboxs.

The games are assigned to the original console of purchase and original account(gamertag) of purchase.

 

[awm8604]

Good God. I won't be touching the Xbox One with a 10 foot pole. I love when companies try to pass off anti-consumer practices as benefiting us somehow. My favorite kind of spin.

Please Sony, keep this shit off the PS4 and I'll buy one to go with my Wii U.

 

[Asriel]

So what is to prevent users from sharing IDs and subverting the DRM like many do with Netflix?

 

[Ollie Pooch]

God, how awkward.

It seems they're trying to push the always-online and other features as a benefit but it all just seems a way to lock the thing down tight. Retail basically just becomes locked down to accounts like digital.

 

[consoul]

I can go round to your house and give you that [360] disc and you can play on that game as well.

What we're doing with the digital permissions that we have for Xbox One is no different to that.

Phil then immediately goes on to explain how it is different to that.

Few people could deliver a message like this without it being immediately and patently obvious that what they are saying is false. You've got to hand it to him. Harrison gives good spin

 

[fallagin]

"So, think about how you use a disc that you own of an Xbox 360 game," he began. "If I buy the disc from a store, I use that disc in my machine, I can give that disc to my son and he can play it on his 360 in his room. We both can't play at the same time, but the disc is the key to playing. I can go round to your house and give you that disc and you can play on that game as well.

"What we're doing with the digital permissions that we have for Xbox One is no different to that. If I am playing on that disc, which is installed to the hard drive on my Xbox One, everybody in my household who has permission to use my Xbox One can use that piece of content. [So] I can give that piece of content to my son and he can play it on the same system."

Damn, that is some strong bullshit.

 

[Eighty Deuce]

Even republicans couldn't spin this into good news.

 

[Brannon]

If we're having such a time of this clusterfuck, how will their target audience feel. They probably don't care but hey.

 

[isual]

I kinda get the jist of this now.

I don't even go to a friends' place to play my games; never since I experienced lending games to people whom i lent games to as a kid, the game never returns in the condition I lent them to.

I'm kinda ok with this, but all this xbox talk is too gimicky.

"So, think about how you use a disc that you own of an Xbox 360 game," he began. "If I buy the disc from a store, I use that disc in my machine, I can give that disc to my son and he can play it on his 360 in his room. We both can't play at the same time, but the disc is the key to playing. I can go round to your house and give you that disc and you can play on that game as well.

"What we're doing with the digital permissions that we have for Xbox One is no different to that. If I am playing on that disc, which is installed to the hard drive on my Xbox One, everybody in my household who has permission to use my Xbox One can use that piece of content. [So] I can give that piece of content to my son and he can play it on the same system."

i dont...fucking shit

 

[keltickennedy]

Wait...Phil Harrison is at Microsoft now? Where the hell have I been. I knew he left Sony for Atari or something........that son of a bitch!! lol.

 

[Marleyman]

I am in.

 

[mightynine]

If today's taught me anything, it's that Microsoft has absolutely no idea what the Xbox One actually is.

It's a Skype box and fantasy sports tracker.

 

[ironcreed]

Yes it is different you asshat. My friend has the physical media the disk is on. My friend cannot play it because he now has to buy the game, even though he has the media and I do not. Jesus fucking Christ on a goddamn stick how do they not get this.

Oh, they get it. They are just hoping that you won't. It's beyond the point of being insulted.

 

[BronsonLee]

Phil,

I commend your efforts to be up front with everybody.

But RUN DUDE RUN