Take a second and ask yourself if there's a direct link between Media Create sales and the presence of Xbox on store shelves in Japan.
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Phil Spencer interview about Xbox in Japan
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Take a second and ask yourself if there's a direct link between Media Create sales and the presence of Xbox on store shelves in Japan.
BigEmil
Junior Member
You mean moneyhatted
Demoskinos
Member
Wait what?
I thought they bailed on doing a Japanese version of FFXV on XB1 for Japan?
I thought they bailed on doing a Japanese version of FFXV on XB1 for Japan?
Primethius
Banned
The actual state of Japanese gaming is at odds with what Phil is saying but I suppose we'll see.
SE literally only has FFXV and KH3 announced for the console in Japan. You'd think the results would be different if they were actually attempting as opposed to lip service. But we'll see. Maybe he's speaking 2-3 years out.
SE literally only has FFXV and KH3 announced for the console in Japan. You'd think the results would be different if they were actually attempting as opposed to lip service. But we'll see. Maybe he's speaking 2-3 years out.
Didn't stop them from buying Apple stuff.
Newtype-001
Member
I guess the xbox brand just isnt desirable in japan.
When JP devs are putting their games on PS4, Vita and PC for the west theres a problem.
I think the only notable JP devs supporting them is KT and Square who havent announced an xbox game since Type-0HD while square is releasing KH2.8 and KT are releasing NiOh both real soon
Namco supports them aswell but theyre publishing Ni no Kini not on X1 in the west.
JRPG /=/ X1 to them
When JP devs are putting their games on PS4, Vita and PC for the west theres a problem.
I think the only notable JP devs supporting them is KT and Square who havent announced an xbox game since Type-0HD while square is releasing KH2.8 and KT are releasing NiOh both real soon
Namco supports them aswell but theyre publishing Ni no Kini not on X1 in the west.
JRPG /=/ X1 to them
It's not even symbolic. Japan at this point isn't even about sales, it's about getting Japanese developers to support your platform.
One of PlayStation's advantages has always been exclusive Japanese 3rd party games. That's waned since the PS2 era, but they're still there, and they've made a bit of a comeback on PS4. If you own a PC the comparison becomes even more stark since between PS4 and Xbox One, PS4 has the better selection of games you can't get on PC. That's being pushed by games like Gravity Rush, Persona 5, Ni-Oh, Ni No Kuni II, or Odin Sphere.
Microsoft needs to have some kind of presence in Japan to get those games, but I don't think it's going to get them. The only Japanese developers bothering to launch on Xbox are the ones bothering to go after the US an UK markets pretty much. The niche Japanese games that are staying on PlayStation are mostly still just concerned with Japanese PlayStation gamers and a few western ones -- just enough to justify releasing an English PlayStation version but not an Xbox or PC version. Under that logic though it is kinda odd a lot of those games these days are launching on PC. Some are launching on PC to grab the Chinese and Korean markets which are getting more important for Japanese developers, but a lot are also only coming out on PC in English.
MatrixMan.EXE
Member
No shit, but there's no reason not to believe they're actively trying to get support. To what scale and whether or not those talks even amount to anything remains to be seen though. That said, we have Nintendo and PS systems for that kind of stuff so I think the market is catered to enough already and I doubt there are many Xbox only gamers clamoring for the likes of Nioh and Persona 5. They probably don't even know what they are.
Castef
Banned
What's the link of the "not this shit again" picture?
wtf is this?
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Anyway, I doubt my input will change anything, but Xbox One S being good looking is an important thing there. If I had any control, I'd put some colourful (pink etc.) controllers in the ads they have there.
The way things look is important.
Also, packaging the controller S with some PC releases is a nice idea too.
I just wish there was more effort. Right now it's a downward spiral and funding games doesn't fix anything on its own.
Might be the case for smaller devs, although I don't know anything about Raiden V.
Square Enix got burned hard with FF Type-0. Selling the game at a loss on Xbox One, all because of the 200k copies print requirement, iirc. If FFXV and KH3 do well, they could come back, but MS also needs to work with them to achieve success.
Infernostew
Member
Well, at the very least they did moneyhat Star Ocean 4 and Tales of Vesperia...
Blackleg-sanji1
Banned
I think ffxv will do.. alright not in comparison to ps4 of course but kh3..phew
yep
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|System | This Week | Last Week | Last Year | YTD | Last YTD | LTD |
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| PS4 | 31.071 | 36.251 | 30.349 | 1.033.485 | 903.925 | [B]3.334.565[/B] |
| XB1 | 88 | 121 | 224 | 4.542 | 13.149 | [B]68.433[/B] |
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Member
When you're selling less than 100 units a week in the WHOLE of Japanese retailers, there's zero reason any retailer would give any space to the format.
It's all talk whatever he's saying about Japan. It's dead over there and has been all generation. There's no P5, Nioh, DQ and FF that will fix any of it. And regardless, as long as those games are on PS4, very few would buy them on the Xbox in the East or the West.
If they want to get more collaborations with Japanese secs, they'll need to do it before they see the sales figures for Recore (too late) and indeed Scalebound.
LifeBrandRobot
Member
They would have to pay for Dragon Quest exclusivity to succeed.
There's no reason to believe they are either.
LiquidSolid
Member
Joke post? All that would do is hurt the DQ series, similar to the way going 360 exclusive hurt the Tales series. I don't think there's any amount of money Square Enix would take to do that, especially now that Japanese publishers have realise the audience just isn't there on Xbox.
Castef
Banned
Do you have proof of them moneyhatting two games which later came to PlayStation 3 with extra content?
At that time they got a lot of support from japanese devs, which generated a fair streak of exclusive games such as Ridge Racer 6, Ace Combat Shattered Horizon, Beautiful Katamari and so on. Several of them arrived on PS3 later and that's it.
Eveyr time a game is exclusive for Xbox gangs of people like you arrive with the "moneyhat" signs, while when other developers... "fund" games such as Street Fighter V (of course the next chapter of a million-selling saga would have NEVER been produced without Sony...
) every thing is fine.That's a very bad trend here on NeoGaf. In the past I even saw Blue Dragon and Lost Odyssey marked as "bad" because they "forced" the developers to work on Xbox... that's just to point a finger to the level of the discussion you are trying to avail.
Castef
Banned
Kingdom Hearts 3 is not getting published on Xbox One in Japan.
Blackleg-sanji1
Banned
?? Well shit. Nevermind
Flame Lord
Member
I'm surprised they put any effort into Japan anymore. Seems like they've done all they can do at this point.
This.
Which is a damn shame, because the whole KH franchise needs to be on Xbox One.
Was this ever confirmed, because it only vanished from the store and reappeared later?
Kenzodielocke
Banned
What ratio will FFXV have WW? 80/20? They should ignore Japan in the future, just like they do currently.
Real_Madrid
Member
He's just being nice, I don't think Microsoft/Xbox-division really cares about Japan.
They will need to work with a Konami and maybe try and get some exclusive titles like Zone of the Enders or Silent Hill and try and go about it in that regard. Konami might get somewhat desperate to try and win the fans back and Microsoft could try and help in that regard.
Another Panzer Dragoon would be cool too, hook up with Sega for a series again like that or Phantasy Star.
Another Panzer Dragoon would be cool too, hook up with Sega for a series again like that or Phantasy Star.
sublimit
Banned
Pay for what?Exclusivity?
There's no way SE would ever accept that because that would significantly damage the brand in Japan and that is something no amount of money can buy.
LifeBrandRobot
Member
Japan is a lost cause, MS is throwing away money if they're still going to try and stay relevant there. It feels like even Sony is barely trying. Most of the Playstation exclusives coming out are by choice of the devs and pubs, not through any kind of partnership with Sony. Japan belongs to Nintendo and mobile.
Dr. Feel Good
Banned
Japan as a whole is dead, it's not worth anyone's time as it continues to shift to mobile.
makingmusic476
Member
What's the point of encouraging more Xbox exclusive Japanese games? It barely helps Microsoft and it cuts off those games from the overwhelming majority of their usual audience.
Outside of games that wouldn't exist without Microsoft's support (Lost Odyssey 2 or Scalebound, things like that), why?
Outside of games that wouldn't exist without Microsoft's support (Lost Odyssey 2 or Scalebound, things like that), why?
LifeBrandRobot
Member
It's kinda telling that SE isn't even releasing the prologue to KH3 on XB1.
Flame Lord
Member
I'm surprised they put any effort into Japan anymore. Seems like they've done all they can do at this point. And it's really unfortunate because I feel if there was more competition to Sony in Japan maybe they we would see some JRPGs with bigger budgets. I may be forgetting some, but the Lost Odyssey, Blue Dragon, Tales of Vesperia etc. seemed like some of the biggest budgets JRPGs last gen that didn't come from Square last gen. Maybe with luck the NX might get them sweating a little.
Edit: Double post, kinda.
Edit: Double post, kinda.
sublimit
Banned
Yup,"dead" is definitely a hyperbole.
Bingo! Ho ho ho ho ho hoooo
Acquiescence
Member
It's gonna be a long gen, a lot can change in the span of 4-5 years.
LukasTaves
Member
That: http://www.play-asia.com/senran-kag...f=liftigniter?ref=liftigniter?ref=liftigniter
Was in the related articles. Honestly, I feel that getting these types of games at a regular pace would do a lot more to secure some market presence than the big RPGs on their own.
Was in the related articles. Honestly, I feel that getting these types of games at a regular pace would do a lot more to secure some market presence than the big RPGs on their own.
Why does he care so much about Japan? I don't understand it. The Japanese gaming market is not what it used to be and Nintendo and Sony are too established there. Microsoft should just bail out of Japan and use those funds on strengthening their presence in the European market where they have a way higher chance.
CrispyBoar
Banned
Won't happen.
Japanese sales might be on the decline but that doesn't mean it's "dead". Just last week in Japan.
Hardware Sales:
PlayStation 4 31,071
New 3DS LL 16,548
2DS 9,421
PlayStation Vita 9,282
New 3DS 3,084
Wii U 2,545
PlayStation 3 820
3DS 449
Xbox One 90
3DS LL 88
Hardware Sales:
PlayStation 4 31,071
New 3DS LL 16,548
2DS 9,421
PlayStation Vita 9,282
New 3DS 3,084
Wii U 2,545
PlayStation 3 820
3DS 449
Xbox One 90
3DS LL 88
money's not particularly an object for MS. they'll take the kitchen sink approach because they can.
the whole xbox brand is pretty much a decades-long experiment for mindshare in the industry. "failure" isn't going to sway decision making like it would sony, nintendo, ect
False.
Your opinion against Nomura and SE. Also, it's still coming out in Japan.
That was a part of Nomura's plan when he decided to do the collections. KH3 was not his decision back then.
Probably closer to Type-0.