Support NeoGAF

[MightyHedgehog]

I hope they have something more interesting than just a bunch of game announcements. They can't afford to treat E3 as business as usual, because it's anything but for MS right now.

The only things to reveal otherwise are new hardware or new services. Not sure new hardware is something you want to announce so close to the launch of already expensive core units and being so far out from consumer release, though I do think their VR/AR glasses+Kinect program will be shown off. New services will likely be more fleshed out OneGuide, sports features, and original content programming for Gold accounts. Really, it's all about more games and more fleshed out existing services and initiatives. Obviously, a $100 price cut should be in order, because that's the single biggest barrier they have against future performance.

 

[Nightengale]

I hope they have something more interesting than just a bunch of game announcements. They can't afford to treat E3 as business as usual, because it's anything but for MS right now.

Aside from price-cut and stuff like VR/PSNow... what else matters aside from games?

If they announce 30 must-have exclusive games at E3, then they prove themselves as a the console that matter. That's all there is to it.

I couldn't give a shit if they announce 3 Halo movies, or 5 seasons of Gears of War TV series. Or however many additional non-game related services, or whatever.

 

[TechnicPuppet]

I hope they have something more interesting than just a bunch of game announcements. They can't afford to treat E3 as business as usual, because it's anything but for MS right now.

Games are exactly what they should be announcing. Nothing else matters.

 

[RulkezX]

I still think given how many of the games shown last year are still to come out that expectations really need to be reigned in. Especially when a few of them have yet to show more than 15s of "gameplay" , if they've shown any at all.

I'm interested in how GWG is going to pan out on X1 , it needs to be an improvement on the 360 offerings.

 

[harSon]

Kinect is not good for VR because it's 30fps.

If that leaked document still holds true, then they're working on an Augmented Reality device, and not a VR one, which the Kinect would actually lend itself quite well too.

 

[Nightengale]

Nothing else matters.

I disagree. Additional game-related services matter as well, though obviously at a lesser priority compared to games.

Like backward compatability for PS1/2 games, PSNow, Cross-Buy, etc.

Platform holders needs to expand its range of services and value to customers beyond just more games. I'd gladly sacrifice LocoCycle and Kinect shovelware for higher quality GwG offerings, and some level of backward compatability via emulation or whatever.

Xbox One being able to play Shenmue 1/2 would be a strong selling point. ( for me )

 

[twobear]

The only things to reveal otherwise are new hardware or new services. Not sure new hardware is something you want to announce so close the launch of already expensive core units and being so far out from consumer release, though I do think their VR/AR glasses+Kinect program will be shown off. New services will likely be more fleshed out OneGuide, sports features, and original content programming for Gold accounts. Really, it's all about more games and more fleshed out existing services and initiatives. Obviously, a $100 price cut should be in order, because that's the single biggest barrier they have against future performance.

Aside from price-cut and stuff like VR/PSNow... what else matters aside from games?

If they announce 30 must-have exclusive games at E3, then they prove themselves as a the console that matter. That's all there is to it.

I couldn't give a shit if they announce 3 Halo movies, or 5 seasons of Gears of War TV series. Or however many additional non-game related services, or whatever.

Games are exactly what they should be announcing. Nothing else matters.

I mean that they should be announcing stuff that improves the general value proposition of Xbone; a rethink of XBLG, new features or services (didn't they cancel their game streaming? the hell.), new indie game programmes (or changes to ID@Xbox) perhaps a similar Amazon XBL storefront as Sony.

They need to do something more substantial and interesting than just announce some new games if they want anybody to take an interest. They're beyond the point where merely announcing a bunch of new games and showing Halo 5 will drum up attention.

 

[Jb]

-Quantum Break
-Forza Horizon 2
-Sunset Overdrive
-Halo 2 Anniversary
-Halo 5 teaser
-Platinum Games exclusive
+ a bunch of multiplats

Yeah I can see how they're going to have a tough time giving each game is due. Should be fun to watch.

 

[Nightengale]

I mean that they should be announcing stuff that improves the general value proposition of Xbone; a rethink of XBLG, new features or services (didn't they cancel their game streaming? the hell.), new indie game programmes (or changes to ID@Xbox) perhaps a similar Amazon XBL storefront as Sony.

They need to do something more substantial and interesting than just announce some new games if they want anybody to take an interest.

I agree with that, but I wouldn't say that matters with extreme significance.

In a ratio of 10, I'd put 7:3 to exclusive games : additional console value proposition. My opinion of course.

 

[Hoo-doo]

If that leaked document still holds true, then they're working on an Augmented Reality device, and not a VR one, which the Kinect would actually lend itself quite well too.

What, the Eyepet or Eye of Judgement kind of augmented reality where the augmentation is just on the TV screen or do you mean the rumored Fortaleza glasses stuff?

Because the patent of Fortaleza didn't really make it sound like a peripheral designed for actual hardcore gaming, but more for the social multiplayer aspect like dancing games, Kinect swordfighting and karaoke.

 

[twobear]

Fortaleza has some 'hardcore' (I hate that term) potential. For instance, you could move the HUD off the screen and into the AR glasses. So in Halo it could feel like you're actually wearing a Spartan's helmet. Or you could have a kind of 'pop up' HUD like in Dead Space. That kind of stuff would be kind of cool (if functionally somewhat limited).

 

[TechnicPuppet]

I disagree. Additional game-related services matter as well, though obviously at a lesser priority compared to games.

Like backward compatability for PS1/2 games, PSNow, Cross-Buy, etc.

Platform holders needs to expand its range of services and value to customers beyond just more games. I'd gladly sacrifice LocoCycle and Kinect shovelware for higher quality GwG offerings, and some level of backward compatability via emulation or whatever.

Xbox One being able to play Shenmue 1/2 would be a strong selling point. ( for me )

I don't think most people care about PS Now or even backwards compatibility, though I would like it. GwG for XB1 would be nice. I was hoping that would have started already though.

 

[jelly]

Free, paid media services and others without the Gold pay wall must be a priority announcement at E3. Xbox Live services need rethought and relaunched to be fair and competitive. Gold subscription needs to be value by addition not subtraction. Time is well and truly up for Xbox Live as it stands.

 

[Dr. Kitty Muffins]

Ok, lets assume Microsoft only cuts the price by 50 bucks?

What then?

I think it would fall flat. It would also make the 450 Titanfall bundle look like something you should have picked up if you were waiting for E3. Everyone will be expecting a 100 dollar drop.

 

[BruceLeeRoy]

-Quantum Break - Last reveal was pretty meh but I haven't played a Remedy game I didn't love so this is currently what could really make or break the Xbone for me.
-Forza Horizon 2
-Sunset Overdrive
-Halo 2 Anniversary - KEEP OG MP & I WILL TRIPLE DIP!
-Halo 5 teaser
-Platinum Games exclusive - If this is more Vanquish and less Bayonetta I will pass out from excitement
+ a bunch of multiplats

Yeah I can see how they're going to have a tough time giving each game is due. Should be fun to watch.

Overall MS has a lot to show me to convince me this is a console worth keeping. I have no faith in 343, and Insomniac hasn't made anything that was really great in a long long time. Only real wild card is Quantum Break.

 

[GetemMa]

I think we will see a lot of actual gameplay demos of the stuff we were teased last year.

My prediction:

Intro: New Call of Duty

Original TV Programming / Quantum Break
Fantasia: Music Evolved
Kinect stuff
Fable Legends
Dark Dreams Don't Die
Class4
Sunset Overdrive
Forza Horizon 2

Finale:
Halo 5

Not bad. It wouldn't sell me on the Xbone, but not bad. Focusing on Kinect has always been their biggest enemy at the past few E3's. As long as they don't do that they will have a good show in the eyes of gamers.

 

[BruceLeeRoy]

What is:
-Dark Dreams Don't Die
-Class 4

??

 

[Sid]

Overall MS has a lot to show me to convince me this is a console worth keeping. I have no faith in 343, and Insomniac hasn't made anything that was really great in a long long time. Only real wild card is Quantum Break.

Well Resistance 3 was really good,I'm not sure ~2.5 years can be considered a long long time.

 

[Nightengale]

What is:
-Dark Dreams Don't Die
-Class 4

??

- Dark Dreams Don't Die = D4
- Class4 = codename for State of Decay sequel. (State of Decay was called Class3)

 

[Yoday]

I mean that they should be announcing stuff that improves the general value proposition of Xbone; a rethink of XBLG, new features or services (didn't they cancel their game streaming? the hell.), new indie game programmes (or changes to ID@Xbox) perhaps a similar Amazon XBL storefront as Sony.

They need to do something more substantial and interesting than just announce some new games if they want anybody to take an interest. They're beyond the point where merely announcing a bunch of new games and showing Halo 5 will drum up attention.

I think that is an absolute must. I personally am far less likely to get an Xbone because of how absurd XBL currently is. It simply offers no value, and that just doesn't fly in a world where we have PS+ for cheaper.

 

[Doffen]

What is:
-Dark Dreams Don't Die
-Class 4

??

D4
Class 4 is the next game from Undead Labs. Sort of a sequel to SoD, but not.

Edit: I'm so slow :/

 

[Asd202]

If that leaked document still holds true, then they're working on an Augmented Reality device, and not a VR one, which the Kinect would actually lend itself quite well too.

Not with how shity it works.

 

[Steverulez]

What is:
-Dark Dreams Don't Die
-Class 4

??

Dark Dreams Don't Die is the new Access Games Swery title announced last E3 also called D4. Was due in Feb but hasn't been seen a while. Its episodic.

Class 4 is the sequel to State of Decay which was known at Class 3 when it was first signed by MS.

Class 4 is supposed to be an MMO but I don't see the SoD sequel being MMO yet, I think we'll get a co-op based sequel first, I think its a good shout for E3 reveal

Edit: Beaten with Kinect

 

[TechnicPuppet]

Free, paid media services and others without the Gold pay wall must be a priority announcement at E3. Xbox Live services need rethought and relaunched to be fair and competitive. Gold subscription needs to be value by addition not subtraction. Time is well and truly up for Xbox Live as it stands.

It's never going to happen and Live is more popular than ever.

 

[Hoo-doo]

It's never going to happen and Live is more popular than ever.

Source? Smells like bullshit.

 

[BruceLeeRoy]

Ah gotcha thanks guys.

Well Resistance 3 was really good,I'm not sure ~2.5 years can be considered a long long time.

It was better than Resistance 2 for sure but so is almost every game. It had great, great visuals and I love the art direction but it was a pretty unmemorable experience. The ending was awful as well.

 

[RPGamer92]

-Quantum Break
-Forza Horizon 2
-Sunset Overdrive
-Halo 2 Anniversary
-Halo 5 teaser
-Platinum Games exclusive
+ a bunch of multiplats

Yeah I can see how they're going to have a tough time giving each game is due. Should be fun to watch.

All of these plus a Kinectless SKU for $349 would get me to buy a Bone tbh

 

[GetemMa]

What is:
-Dark Dreams Don't Die
-Class 4

??

- Dark Dreams Don't Die = D4
- Class4 = codename for State of Decay sequel. (State of Decay was called Class3)

Class4 is not just a State of Decay sequel. It is rumored to be an MMO in the same vein as State of Decay. MS just signed a long term deal with Undead Labs so I guess they were impressed with what they saw. I hope it comes to PC like State of Decay did.

 

[miDnIghtEr20C]

So 90 minute apology?

For....?

 

[VeeP]

I meant in terms of exclusive ips. Microsoft tend to space out the release of their fps's. Don't get me wrong its great for those who do like them just from my point of view id like to see some more variety.

Oh yea, I get what your saying. I somewhat agree.

To be honest, I wish they would've called Forza Horizons something else. Its different enough from Forza # to be its own franchise. Similar to how Microsoft use to have both PGR and Forza.

 

[TechnicPuppet]

Source? Smells like bullshit.

http://www.gamespot.com/articles/ti...one-enjoy-its-biggest-week-ever/1100-6418471/

 

[Chobel]

Class4 is not just a State of Decay sequel. It is rumored to be an MMO in the same vein as State of Decay. MS just signed a long term deal with Undead Labs so I guess they were impressed with what they saw. I hope it comes to PC like State of Decay did.

The deal was MS publishing their games in Xbox and PC, so it will eventually come to PC, but you should expect that the game will Xbone timed exclusive.

 

[Wynnebeck]

It's never going to happen and Live is more popular than ever.

I wouldn't say that. That's like saying the bully who steals lunch money is the most popular kid in the neighborhood.

 

[GetemMa]

The deal was MS publishing their games in Xbox and PC, so it will eventually come to PC, but you should expect that the game will Xbone timed exclusive.

Ahh...didn't know that. Thanks. Good news.

I enjoyed State of Decay despite it being rough around the edges.

A more polished version in a big MMO world with my friends could be an incredible game.

 

[TechnicPuppet]

I wouldn't say that. That's like saying the bully who steals lunch money is the most popular kid in the neighborhood.

It really isn't.

 

[Y2Kev]

Source? Smells like bullshit.

Why would it be bullshit? There are more 360s than ever.

 

[The_Monk]

I think the Xbox One will be officially released in here around September, this year.

However, I do hope Microsoft to have a good E3 with some good content focused on games because that's always the most interesting part. As always, I will be in here, watching it live no matter how late this will be for most of Europeans (got to love coffee) while taking in part of the fun and hype and the usual GAF slowdown coming down, eventually (but let's hope not). I always believe E3 is a fun time because we feel the hype and the discussions are usually fun and interesting. The teasers, the trailers, the gameplay, the new exclusives, price drops, new accessories, new games that nobody expected and so on makes this yearly event something I look for even when I don't even have a Xbox One. However, I am happy for those that were lucky to have it by now since I've been a big FORZA fan and this time I haven't even seen it live, with my own eyes.

In the end, no matter how much new things they will show us it's going to be fun, or so I hope. I truly expect we can all have fun, be polite and most important respect each other. There's no reason for being rude/curse to others because most of the times we all just have different opinions. Not only that is good but it can also create more discussion and content which is always great because it's what makes GAF such a unique place to be and to talk about what we love to talk.

 

[blakep267]

I think we will see a lot of actual gameplay demos of the stuff we were teased last year.

My prediction:

Intro: New Call of Duty

Original TV Programming / Quantum Break
Fantasia: Music Evolved
Kinect stuff
Fable Legends
Dark Dreams Don't Die
Class4
Sunset Overdrive
Forza Horizon 2

Finale:
Halo 5

Not bad. It wouldn't sell me on the Xbone, but not bad. Focusing on Kinect has always been their biggest enemy at the past few E3's. As long as they don't do that they will have a good show in the eyes of gamers.

I thought it was kinda confirmed that COD was going to be at playstations conference this year.

Theyre probably going to insert either the next battlefield or star wars battlefron tinstead, since they are buddy buddy with ea. And Theyd probably have d4 and fantasia on the e3 pre-shows. Makes no sense to include them when you have more important stuff to go over


-EA Shooter
- Xbox news, policies etc
-Quantum Break
- id@xbox ( below etc)
-Sunset Overdrive
- new ip teaser ( maybe japanese game)
- XBl downloadable games (in vein of max, crimson dragon etc)
-Forza horizon 2
-New fable game
- Another possible teaser
- Halo 2 anni blowout
-Halo 5 teaser to end

for the record, I think the xb1 will get a drop to 450 with a bundle game + month of live way before e3. Probably april ish.

 

[Wynnebeck]

It really isn't.

This is getting off topic, but locking apps behind a paywall isn't being a bully? See it for what it is man, don't try to blow smoke up people's asses.

 

[Hoo-doo]

http://www.gamespot.com/articles/ti...one-enjoy-its-biggest-week-ever/1100-6418471/

Titanfall's launch for Xbox One this month helped Xbox Live on the platform enjoy its "biggest week in terms of users and usage," Xbox boss Phil Spencer told GameSpot today at GDC.

"On the platform" are the key words here. It's spiking Xbox Live activity on Xbox One, not Xbox Live in general.

 

[miDnIghtEr20C]

I'd like to see some Halo Wars news. Bring us a new Halo Wars!!!

 

[Doffen]

I wouldn't say that. That's like saying the bully who steals lunch money is the most popular kid in the neighborhood.

No it isn't. That was just a sad comparison.

 

[twobear]

It's never going to happen and Live is more popular than ever.

I think there's some possibility. The new CEO is from an online services background, where the standard for services has become that a good chunk of the functionality is free, and you pay for extras (basically like PS+, minus the multiplayer), and MS has just made OneNote free for all platforms, for instance.

There's some tension, of course, because MS are also a notoriously short sighted company (at least since Ballmer took over), who've consistently put short term profits over long term growth. That voice in the company presumably puts pressure on XBLG to stay the way it is because they can't conceive that a loss in revenue from XBLG would potentially be offset and perhaps even superseded by people who would be willing to buy an Xbone if only MS would drop all of their lingering anti-consumer policies and make a serious and concerted effort to change the perceived nature of the Xbox brand.

So I do think there's possibility for change now than at any other time in XBLG's history; but conversely I don't know how big that possibility is.

 

[TheAznOne]

Just Dance 2015 will be a 10-15 min presentation to take advantage of Kinect 2. You read it here first!

 

[Nightengale]

I thought it was kinda confirmed that COD was going to be at playstations conference this year.

Not really. We've heard someone said CoD was at this year's Destination Playstation, but it was a rumour.

And mort did suggest that there's a possibility of CoD shifting to PS4 as lead platform, but it doesn't seem like it was confirmed, and more a bubbling rumour.

We'll know in a few months which platform Activision will pimp CoD with.

 

[jelly]

It's never going to happen and Live is more popular than ever.

The pecentage of users has been dropping.

60% around original Xbox. Down ever since to 50% early with 360, 45%- 40% later on. Now, it's 38%.

With the new gen 360 Gold owners may drop off considerably in future and with PS4 swaying consumers, they may never get them back showing no value. Microsoft need to admit defeat , be thankful they got away with it for so long and charge for good value, not sticking stuff free on everything else behind a pay wall.
Gold right now is the biggest hinderance to Xbox being more succesful, Microsoft are too short sighted to see it.

 

[TechnicPuppet]

I think there's some possibility. The new CEO is from an online services background, where the standard for services has become that a good chunk of the functionality is free, and you pay for extras (basically like PS+, minus the multiplayer), and MS has just made OneNote free for all platforms, for instance.

There's some tension, of course, because MS are also a notoriously short sighted company (at least since Ballmer took over), who've consistently put short term profits over long term growth. That voice in the company presumably puts pressure on XBLG to stay the way it is because they can't conceive that a loss in revenue from XBLG would potentially be offset and perhaps even superseded by people who would be willing to buy an Xbone if only MS would drop all of their lingering anti-consumer policies and make a serious and concerted effort to change the perceived nature of the Xbox brand.

So I do think there's possibility for change now than at any other time in XBLG's history; but conversely I don't know how big that possibility is.

Maybe but some of them cost money. Maybe Netflix, IE etc .

 

[Steverulez]

Just Dance 2015 will be a 10-15 min presentation to take advantage of Kinect 2. You read it here first!

If you'd have said Dance Central you might have had a point but otherwise, no.

 

[TechnicPuppet]

The pecentage of users has been dropping.

60% around original Xbox. Down ever since to 50% early with 360, 45%- 40% later on. Now, it's 38%.
With the new gen 360 Gold owners may drop off considerably in future and with PS4 swaying consumers, they may never get them back showing no value. Microsoft need to admit defeat and charge for good value, not sticking stuff free on everything else behind a pay wall.

I'll take dedicated cloud servers over free games any day, but I'd rather have both.

 

[Chobel]

http://www.gamespot.com/articles/ti...one-enjoy-its-biggest-week-ever/1100-6418471/

No shit! It got more popular in that week because it's launch week of Titanfall and that was only on xbone. You don't expect that to continue all the next months until E3, do you?