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Phil Spencer says most publishers take advantage of the success of old franchises over risking something new
Klayzer
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Sea of Theives probably.
fastest finger
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Hmm.. He might have a point.
Halo 2
Halo 3
Halo Wars
Halo 3 ODST
Halo Reach
Halo CE Anniversary
Halo 4
Halo Spartan Assault
Halo MC Collection
Halo Spartan Strike
Halo 5 Guardians
Halo Wars 2
Halo Recruit
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Halo Infinite
Hmm.. He might have a point.
I Love Rock 'n' Roll
Member
Call of Duty every year is a problem for Phil now? Glad to hear that!
MidGenRefresh
*Refreshes biennially
Taking risks: Redfall, Starfield
Not taking risks: Prey 2, Dishonoured 3, Fallout 5 by the team that made New Vegas, Elder Scrolls IV
Conclusion: stop “taking risks”, you twats.
Not taking risks: Prey 2, Dishonoured 3, Fallout 5 by the team that made New Vegas, Elder Scrolls IV
Conclusion: stop “taking risks”, you twats.
Moses85
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According to this he's not wrong
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Who is the most sucessful?
gothmog
Gold Member
He's right but he's also a significant part of the problem. Subscription services and GaaS will make this problem so much worse. Why risk anything when you can just add in mega grinds to the new iterations of old franchises and give them away practically for free on your sub services?
MasterDerico
Member
Does not matter who said, it's true.
MadPanda
Banned
"As Spencer wrote in his leaked email"
Gojiira
Member
He must be deluded right? I like how he specifically points at everyone else when Xbox has had 3 generations of just Halo,Gears,Forza.
I just dont understand how he can be so arrogant…Still…
‘Not moving quickly enough or boldly enough’…’Holding on to franchises from 10 years ago’…Jesus christ what a moron.
Pot calling Kettle black there Phil, last I checked the biggest risk Xbox took was Scalebound and look what you did to that…
I just dont understand how he can be so arrogant…Still…
‘Not moving quickly enough or boldly enough’…’Holding on to franchises from 10 years ago’…Jesus christ what a moron.
Pot calling Kettle black there Phil, last I checked the biggest risk Xbox took was Scalebound and look what you did to that…
Pedro Motta
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Halo Infinite 8, Gears 6, Forza Horizon 5, Flight Simulator 20, Forza Motosport 8, Fable 4, Perfect dark 6 and so on and so on.
Banjo64
cumsessed
Knightime_X
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Even AAA companies who are fully capable of doing so don't even push for something new.
And if they did, it was probably disliked or was liked but sold very few.
Dr. Wilkinson
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Yep. He’s literally parroting what everyone already knows and what Iwata at Nintendo used to publicly lament about the state of the industry. Water is wet!
The entire industry is extremely risk-averse (yes, even Nintendo for the most part), and we all know it.
Comments in here are ridiculous
The entire industry is extremely risk-averse (yes, even Nintendo for the most part), and we all know it.
Comments in here are ridiculous
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XXL
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MadPanda
Banned
Bethesda? Seriously? Your choice is a published which released two new IPs this year and 4 since the beginning of this generation with several more in development?
DeaDPo0L84
Member
Phil reminds me of the friend in a group who doesn't actually have anything to add to what's being discussed but also loves attention so he chimes in anyways and everyone else just rolls their eyes.
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YeulEmeralda
Member
It takes two to tango. Gamers should reward new IPs with their money.
SmokedMeat
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Dick Jones
Gold Member
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LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
This would mean something more if it was somebody who mattered and understood the business like some of the other industry veterans. But coming from him, I'm not sure if every little quote he says needs a thread. If anything some of the stupid shit he says needs its own catch-all thread on top of the things that may actually make sense. Those things are far and few between as the guy just seems to spit a lot of stuff and not a whole lot is happening.
Get with me with somebody important at Nintendo or Sony says something as they have the pedigree where you might listen a little more to them versus this guy.
Get with me with somebody important at Nintendo or Sony says something as they have the pedigree where you might listen a little more to them versus this guy.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
When you push a sales cannibalizing rental service as your main focus, then it doesn't surprise me that one would feel apprehensive about new AAA IP ROI.
Salty Popsicle
Banned
PlatinumGames and Hideki Kamiya took full responsibility for how Scalebound's fumbled development and cancellation turned out.
AS much as Nintendo is conservative, they take some big risks especially on hardware. I mean Wii, Wii U, 3ds, DS, and Switch?
On the software side I can recall new IP like Splatoon, ARMS, Ring Fit, Wii Sports, Wii Fit, Nintendo Land, Mario Maker, ... off the top of my head. I guess Wii Sports is getting closer to 20 yrs old now. Same with Wii Fit. lol.
Oh and Labo? And the Mario Kart Home Circuit? ... more risks taken on new IP or at least using their top IP to do something new and different.
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Saber
Gold Member
Are you saying Bethesda isn't "taking advantage of old franchises"? Like saying that Starfield is "Skyrim in space"? Its his words not mine. Almost no one(includes other companies) is taking risks, let alone this clown even putting something new.
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MadPanda
Banned
4 new IPs in 3 years and you're still not satisfied, that just means you'd preach your stuff regardless of what they do.
Saber
Gold Member
Reread again if its hard to understand. 4 new IPs its meanless if those are 4 IPs are bland or ctrl+c games. Pointing out numbers its just stupid talk at this point. Death Stranding is a clear example of a new take that took risks. Redfall isn't.
Iced Arcade
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I dunno... I miss the 360/PS3 Gen that delivered 4 Gears games, 4 Halo games, 3 uncharted games etc
Not to mention they just fought tooth and nail for Activision who puts out 12 COD titles a gen lol
Not to mention they just fought tooth and nail for Activision who puts out 12 COD titles a gen lol
MadPanda
Banned
Reread what Spencer said in his leaked link and see how it's connected with new IPs.
Gojiira
Member
Thats typical of a japanese studio and their work ethic.
Xbox were the ones pushing for release, and the ones who could have offered more tech support but they didnt. There push for multiplayer too added to its difficult dev.
At the end if the day, the game needed more time and polish, and Xbox could have given that. Its on them.
baphomet
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Both of those were in development before Microsoft bought Obsidian
Mibu no ookami
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He took shots at Sony and other publishers for utilizing established IP or licensed IP but I haven't seen a single major IP launched by this guy in his entire tenure.
At least in the previous gen Sony released/published: Horizon, Ghost of Tsushima, Detroit Become Human, Death Stranding, Bloodborne, Day's Gone and some failed IP with 1886, Until Dawn, Last Guardian, Knack, Dreams
At least in the previous gen Sony released/published: Horizon, Ghost of Tsushima, Detroit Become Human, Death Stranding, Bloodborne, Day's Gone and some failed IP with 1886, Until Dawn, Last Guardian, Knack, Dreams
Yoboman
Member
Yup and from that glimpse of the leaked funding proposals for various titles on GP, they clearly value sequels much higher
solidus12
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I can smell the fart from here.
Great to hear Phil…
Thirty7ven
Banned
Thanks the heavens that Phil has just recently greenlit Xbox studios brand new IP, Call of Duty.
Salty Popsicle
Banned
I hear it sells gangbusters on the Sony console every year. So much so that Jimbo stated losing that revenue would be disastrous for PlayStation.
SlimeGooGoo
Party Gooper
Just look at all those remakes and remasters.
There are companies now remaking 10 year old games.
I mean, seriously? This is the future these companies want?
There are companies now remaking 10 year old games.
I mean, seriously? This is the future these companies want?
Salty Popsicle
Banned
Microsoft pushing for release? The game had been in various concept stages since 2006, began full production in 2013, received a 2016 release date, and then missed it entirely until being cancelled in 2017. Talk about having a ton of leeway.
Also, the game was conceived as a multiplayer co-op game from inception, which is one of the main reasons they opted for a Microsoft partnership in the first place. If Platinum didn't think they could pull of this new type of experience from the expertise at the studio, they shouldn't have accepted Microsoft's checks.
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March Climber
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They’re doing exactly what gamers want.
How many times have we seen fans hype up 5 year old, 10 year old, and 20+ year old franchises for every single conference?
How many times will they make long announcement wish lists every year of these franchises?
How many times will these same gamers shit on everything new?
The AAA publishers are simply providing supply to the demand
How many times have we seen fans hype up 5 year old, 10 year old, and 20+ year old franchises for every single conference?
How many times will they make long announcement wish lists every year of these franchises?
How many times will these same gamers shit on everything new?
The AAA publishers are simply providing supply to the demand
RickMasters
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According to this he's not wrong
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No matter people on here feel about what he said….. Numbers don’t lie
They will be adding avowed, contraband, everwild and a few others at some point too. Argument dead.