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[oldergamer]

What if all those were already in the pipeline and he harvested the crops?
Those things need time to plan and work out, no magic wand or twitter feeds.

How would or could they be in the pipeline when it was a complete 180 from how the console was launched and advertised? I think we all know the direction they were going at launch is totally different then the direction they are going now.

Perhaps they were in the roadmap after they changed direction, but so what? guess who was the boss when they decided on changing the roadmap? it's a good thing no matter how you try to spin it.

 

[ICPEE]

Some people complain about the dumbest shit. Phil has come through on making many many changes, starting with listening to the public (unlike his predecessor). He focused on gamers, added value to the xbox for things we want.

Anybody that says he is just blowing smoke, is completely full of it.

Phils job is to repair the damaged perception people have of the Xbox brand. Promising the moon and the stars is part of repairing that. He is not doing it out of the goodness of his heart and some people legit think he is.
The dude has a job to please people so he will say and do what needs to be done and said to get positive reactions and repair Xbox's image just like all the other execs in this industry.
This makes him no different than Shu or Iwata.

 

[Fat4all]

it's a good thing no matter how you try to spin it.

It's good up to a point.

As long as we still see some of the repercussions of their "always online" plans it will always be an issue, as it is today.

Phil doing a hell of a job, I like him a lot. Every interview I see him in he seems very genuine. But he still inherited a shit-sandwich of a PR disaster, and he'll still be the one taking the flak.

Because now he's the one whose gotta fix it.

 

[leeh]

Phils job is to repair the damaged perception people have of the Xbox brand. Promising the moon and the stars is part of repairing that. He is not doing it out of the goodness of his heart and some people legit think he is.
The dude has a job to please people so he will say and do what needs to be done and said to get positive reactions and repair Xbox's image just like all the other execs in this industry.
This makes him no different than Shu or Iwata.

I wonder about what people think here. He runs the Xbox division, he's not a PR guy. He's thousands of peoples line manager. Just because he has a social presence doesn't mean that all he does is company PR.

 

[Fat4all]

I wonder about what people think here. He runs the Xbox division, he's not a PR guy. He's thousands of peoples line manager. Just because he has a social presence doesn't mean that all he does is company PR.

Heads of game companies are just as much PR guys thanks to Twitter and idolizing.

Phil
Iwata
Reggie
Shu
Kaz

They all now serve dual roles for their companies.

 

[Memorabilia]

Gamers hold the worst grudges. It's really toxic. Mattrick is twice removed from MS and he still gets trotted out by people that are trying to make "a point".

Time to look to the future, people!

Mattrick was the face of one of the single most epic cluster fucks in consumer electronics history. Business schools are literally using the Xbone launch as an example of how not to launch products. That's why the negativity persists...it was earned.

 

[Cthulhu_Steev]

Heads of game companies are just as much PR guys thanks to Twitter and idolizing.

Phil
Iwata
Reggie
Shu
Kaz

They all now serve dual rolls for their companies.

They all work ... in the staff canteen?

 

[Fat4all]

They all work ... in the staff canteen?

I must be hungry.

EDIT: I guess I didn't "know my role", hue, wrestling joke, hue.

 

[scoobidoo112]

- Not being able to create a new profile.
- No offline pins.
- No offline achievements.
- Not being able to customize the UI.

Phil is doing a great job with Xbox One.

Wait, so the Xbox one is horrible to use as an offline device, yet Phil is doing a great job with Xbox one because he "might" do something in the future? Sounds to me like the Xbox one is missing critical features that need to be implemented offline, which I wouldn't define as a "great job"...

Gamers hold the worst grudges. It's really toxic. Mattrick is twice removed from MS and he still gets trotted out by people that are trying to make "a point".

Time to look to the future, people!

What is toxic is an industry that lies, false advertises, misleads and attempts to blame customers for any mistakes that were made. The grudges are deserved. If anything, gamers don't go far enough because the cycle of bullshit still continues...

 

[Gator86]

I previously made a thread about how horrible Xbox One was to use as an offline device.

- Not being able to create a new profile.
- No offline pins.
- No offline achievements.
- Not being able to customize the UI.

Today Phil Spencer tweeted that he will push for better offline features.

This stuff is legitimately amazing. I'm enjoying my Xbone more than I expected after finally caving on the recent Best Buy deal, but my god, the OS and almost all the system-level stuff is an absolute dumpster fire. It's amazing that it comes from a software company. I can't even imagine how bad the launch Xbones must have been. It's still going to be a while before MS catches up to where they should be.

 

[ICPEE]

I wonder about what people think here. He runs the Xbox division, he's not a PR guy. He's thousands of peoples line manager. Just because he has a social presence doesn't mean that all he does is company PR.

So you can honestly say you don't think the guy that replaced Mattrick is doing some sort of PR to repair a damaged brand in todays world that is now more than ever hugely dependent on social media as a means to reach out to the public?
Ok then.

 

[Juxo]

IMHO, Spencer gets way too much hate from one side and way too much love from the other. The man hasn't done much of anything to deserve overwhelming feelings from either side.

I get the idea that he's "better than the last dude," but that still doesn't answer what's great about him. And I get the feeling that much of the hatred is a backlash against what some feel is an undeserved heaping of praise on Spencer.

I'm not saying I agree with either side; just saying what it appears to me to be. Personally, he seems nice enough, but I trust him exactly as much as I trust any other empty-suit mouthpiece for a major corporation--which is to say, not at all.

My thoughts exactly. As soon as he showed his face people seemed to love him. He has yet to prove himself, imo, and until he does, I'll be hugely skeptical of his intentions. Does he care more about the product or his promotion? Something tells me, like all businessmen, his bank balance is more important. I'd like to be wrong.
Never knew the XBONE was still effectively online only (initially). And for anyone who decides to correct me and tell me how much progress they've made; how long has the console been in the wild? They've had ample opportunity to include at least the option to make a profile offline. It's absurd.

 

[Juxo]

What is toxic is an industry that lies, false advertises, misleads and attempts to blame customers for any mistakes that were made. The grudges are deserved. If anything, gamers don't go far enough because the cycle of bullshit still continues...

Well said. This is the real problem. This and people defending these companies who repeatedly treat their customers like gullible idiots. When companies stand to potentially make hundreds of millions of dollars per release, you can expect some shady tactics. The only thing you can do that matters is not give them your money.

 

[BibiMaghoo]

Offline gamerscore probably wont happen again. People will mod that shit again etc

A cheated gamerscore I would imagine is one of, if not the easiest way to detect someone has been cheating. They all have time and date stamps, and so if they are popped without the work it's pretty clear that is the case.

*hides his finish BC2 on hard achievement that has a time stamp 5 minutes after finishing it on normal*
- _-

 

[oldergamer]

Well said. This is the real problem. This and people defending these companies who repeatedly treat their customers like gullible idiots. When companies stand to potentially make hundreds of millions of dollars per release, you can expect some shady tactics. The only thing you can do that matters is not give them your money.

That's a total over reaction to... pretty, much everything. With that attitude its a wonder you bother paying for the internet. The people that are "gullible" are the ones that react like these "companies" are real people while ignoring the actual topic. you can make out any corporation to be evil just by listing current or past actions. The smart people realize this is going to happen and regardless find products they can use.

Saying that someone in charge of a department is doing a good job responding to consumers, pretty much has nothing to do with the vitrol you and scoobidoo are putting forth. You are way off topic.

 

[leeh]

Heads of game companies are just as much PR guys thanks to Twitter and idolizing.

Phil
Iwata
Reggie
Shu
Kaz

They all now serve dual roles for their companies.

They seem PR to you, but they actually have a critical role. In this example, organise a full division. No-one in that company will see his twitter posts as a 'role' more-so just being in-touch with the community. This can impact on what he priorities and organises in the division he runs. If he deleted his twitter, it's not like he's going to be paid less or have less responsibility in his workplace.

So you can honestly say you don't think the guy that replaced Mattrick is doing some sort of PR to repair a damaged brand in todays world that is now more than ever hugely dependent on social media as a means to reach out to the public?
Ok then.

His sole focus isn't to 'repair a damaged brand'. He has 146k followers, that's a minuscule amount compared to the install base of the console. He's just being nice and more in-touch with the community while being transparent. Why's there always got to be some hidden agenda on things? Do you honestly think he had a board meeting and they was like 'oh you need to post on twitter more to try and repair our brand even'. A brand which was only hurt in the closer gaming communities mind, not the wider public.

 

[GoonerTRON]

Only time i have been offline is when i took my xbox to the beach house. Played some single player games, got home connected to internet and the achievements unlocked.

Not really a problem.

 

[justsomeguy]

I would really like an easy Guest acccount thing when friends drop by like the PS4 has, or have I missed an option on the Xbox One?

Think you just do it by clicking 'guest' in the screen above. Not in front of my Xbox, so can 't check.

 

[Juxo]

That's a total over reaction to... pretty, much everything. With that attitude its a wonder you bother paying for the internet. The people that are "gullible" are the ones that react like these "companies" are real people while ignoring the actual topic. you can make out any corporation to be evil just by listing current or past actions. The smart people realize this is going to happen and regardless find products they can use.

Saying that someone in charge of a department is doing a good job responding to consumers, pretty much has nothing to do with the vitrol you and scoobidoo are putting forth. You are way off topic.

He said defending the companies...

I think I've said everything I need to in my previous post. There is no vitriol in the statement, just observational logic.

If a company tries to fuck me over, I won't give them my money. Simple. Frankly, I see your response as an overreaction.

 

[oldergamer]

He said defending the companies...

I think I've said everything I need to in my previous post. There is no vitriol in the statement, just observational logic.

If a company tries to fuck me over, I won't give them my money. Simple. Frankly, I see your response as an overreaction.

...and who do u use for your internet service? I'm certain just about every company out there has done something that ca be perceived as "screwing over consumers".
Do you own a console? Every console maker has fucked over consumers depending on your perspective, yet you still play games on one.

Nobody in this thread is "defending" a company, perhaps your perception is the problem.

Anyway, back on topic - I think Phil is doing a good job of listening and responding to the needs of the gamer crowd. E3 will be interesting to see if they got the msg and really double down on hardcore gamers.

 

[Ivan Amiibo]

Someone for the love of God ask this guy about Phantom Dust.

Jesus Christ....

"I love the phantom dust, it is my favorite game. I'll push." *grins*

thread: Phil Spencer confirms strong push for Phantom Dust

 

[jroc74]

Well...seems like I will hold off on getting an XBO until some more kinks are worked out.

Some ppl called it.....the always online was still there...just not in name. Amazing.

- Not being able to create a new profile.
- No offline achievements.
- Not being able to customize the UI.

Is ridiculous.

Offline achievement is whatever..still crazy.... but the other 2? What purpose do they serve?

Forget that...no offline achievements.....wtf....

For saves I wish I did get the rest of the users on my PS3 a PSN account. But since like forever they never needed one until I wanted to do a system transfer. I'm the only one on my 360 that has an XBL account. No problems for the other users accessing games I downloaded. (not saying thats what this is but you might as well.) Only reason the other users even have PSN now is because of saves. They all had profiles before I setup them up with PSN accounts tho.

WTF.

Not to give them a free pass, it's been long enough that this stuff should have been patched in, but the XBONE was originally going to be Online-Only all the time. So of course the features in the bolted on Offline mode are shoddy.

I agree....I even mentioned something about this for a nice feature it has. Transferring/copying a game from your XBO harddrive to a friends, they get on XBL and buy the license. No need to download the game. Thats a by product of their always online. I still like ....some....of their orig policies.....thats policies with an s.... I see always online was a big part of the total policies tho...which is sad. Has to be a way to do some of the orig policies and not have always online.

The work they did to move it away from an always-online console is truly laughable.

As much as I like more than 1 consoles for the exclusives....I will hold off on the XBO for now.

The online only achievement thing is to prevent modding your gamerscore. The 360 was originally going to require you to be on Live for this reason. They ended up changing the signing system for profiles to be signed by the console, not Live. Once the key was broken this lead to people modding their profiles/gamerscore/save files etc.

So... it's shitty but it's to prevent shit?

Understandable. I know a guy who had to mod his profile and saves because he lost it all for some reason. Not to cheat but to retain everything. So...this always online thing isnt even a new concept for MS...if what you say is true. Interesting.

Why is "no LAN without being connected to Xbox LIVE" not on your list?

It's more important than everything else you did list.

The hits just keep on coming huh....well I hope some realize....

If people want functionality like that, there's something for them. It's called an Xbox 360.

Just like it took some years for Sony to live down their 2nd job comment...this will also take some time to blow over...lol.

 

[ElNino]

I would really like an easy Guest acccount thing when friends drop by like the PS4 has, or have I missed an option on the Xbox One?

Nope. Each profile on Xbox One requires a working e-mail, and you have to be online to create one. The PS4 doesn`t.

Each profile might require an email to create one, but you can add a guest for any signed in profile.

My son does it all the time when his friends are over to play Minecraft. He signs into his account and then they sign in as a guest to his profile.

 

[jroc74]

Nope. Each profile on Xbox One requires a working e-mail, and you have to be online to create one. The PS4 doesn`t.

That is silly. Seriously. Thats really only needed if you are going to be using Live. None of the users in my home have an XBL account for 360....they only have profiles. And if it wasnt for transferring to a new PS3 none would have PSN. (I still lost the saves because I didnt do it right, I should've followed the directions to a tee.)

Isnt that kinda redundant when its needed for Live anyway? Yea....I love how the 360, PS3, Wii, Wii U and PS4 handle profiles. And I got all the systems I just mentioned.

Does the XBO force you to sign up for XBL if you create a profile? Maybe tying the email to the profile creates a Silver account by default...Maybe its a streamlining thing since you need an email for XBL.

 

[Herman Cain]

No offline pins on 360 either. They do not sell a product for that.

Xbox 1.

 

[JP]

Old wounds of the online-only infrastructure waiting to be healed.

Yeah, I'd imagine it was that too.

As crazy as it sounds I'm not sure if any of us on here understand the level of work that's required to change this and although I rarely use the Xbox, the fact that I hadn't noticed i and was surprised by it illustrates it's not a major thing for all.

Hopefully a fix isn't that far away for the people who have had issues with it though.

 

[FranXico]

I previously made a thread about how horrible Xbox One was to use as an offline device.

- Not being able to create a new profile.
- No offline pins.
- No offline achievements.
- Not being able to customize the UI.

Today Phil Spencer tweeted that he will push for better offline features.

https://twitter.com/XboxP3/status/600793802354270209

Just wanted to let you guys know. I think these are great news, coming from Microsoft and all. Phil is doing a great job with Xbox One.

Good. Put some pressure on SCE to fix that on the PS4 as well.

 

[JaggedSac]

Who's creating the Phil Spencer is a lying bastard thread?

 

[Stanng243]

Who's creating the Phil Spencer is a lying bastard thread?

I think if they cancel PD someone will create that thread the next day.

 

[Steverulez]

I think if they cancel PD someone will create that thread the next day.

The next day? Thats a bit generous, it will be within minutes

 

[Leyasu]

I just unplugged my Ethernet cable and booted up my xbone. It signed me straight in. OK no pins no biggie. I just went to my games and loaded up the MCC, sunset overdrive and KI without problems..... And they are all digital purchases.

 

[Gamezone]

I just unplugged my Ethernet cable and booted up my xbone. It signed me straight in. OK no pins no biggie. I just went to my games and loaded up the MCC, sunset overdrive and KI without problems..... And they are all digital purchases.

Still. A dead and empty UI may not bother you.

 

[Cthulhu_Steev]

Still. A death and empty UI may not bother you.

This sentence,with its little typo, is rather spine chilling.

 

[Snorlocs]

I sit patiently and think of all the features that windows 10 will bring for my xbox one. I cannot wait

 

[Gamezone]

This sentence,with its little typo, is rather spine chilling.

A dead. ;]

 

[Gamezone]

I sit patiently and think of all the features that windows 10 will bring for my xbox one. I cannot wait

But is the Windows 10 UI built up from the ground? I think that's the big question.

 

[ChosenPredator]

I think if they cancel PD someone will create that thread the next day.

It would probably be me, he'd crush my soul if that was cancelled.

Also i've tweeted him/ken/adam and all the other people i know who are associated with phantom dust about whats going on..or you know tell us who the new studio is maybe.


buuuut i give him credit so far everything he says has come true so far or is in the pipeline of happening.
https://xbox.uservoice.com/ in particular is very useful.

 

[Extra Sauce]

the icing on the came

 

[jmdajr]

I previously made a thread about how horrible Xbox One was to use as an offline device.

- Not being able to create a new profile.
- No offline pins.
- No offline achievements.
- Not being able to customize the UI.

Today Phil Spencer tweeted that he will push for better offline features.

https://twitter.com/XboxP3/status/600793802354270209

Just wanted to let you guys know. I think these are great news, coming from Microsoft and all. Phil is doing a great job with Xbox One.

No offline achievements is probably the biggest slap in the face I got when I purchased a One and my internet was off for a day. Such a stupid thing to omit.

wow really? I had no idea!

 

[Cthulhu_Steev]

DO NOT buy from 'The Slippery Moose Cake Emporium' (I'm glad it was you, 'xtrasauce' who made that post, BTW. Most appropriate)

 

[Snorlocs]

But is the Windows 10 UI built up from the ground? I think that's the big question.

I hope so. I want a completely new build with new UI and everything. Just like the 360 dashboard changes.

 

[jroc74]

I previously made a thread about how horrible Xbox One was to use as an offline device.

- Not being able to create a new profile.
- No offline pins.
- No offline achievements.
- Not being able to customize the UI.

Today Phil Spencer tweeted that he will push for better offline features.

https://twitter.com/XboxP3/status/600793802354270209

Just wanted to let you guys know. I think these are great news, coming from Microsoft and all. Phil is doing a great job with Xbox One.

Good. Put some pressure on SCE to fix that on the PS4 as well.

I'm sorry....did you mean the entire post or parts of it? Because I just created a user on the PS4 in about 10 seconds without needing an email address....

They all start as User1, User2, etc until you go back and edit. If you already have a PSN account and sign in right after creating....thats different.

No PSN account? No problem, just hit the Skip button. I did it exactly this when I first setup my PS4.

 

[Gamezone]

I'm sorry....did you mean the entire post or parts of it? Because I just created a user on the PS4 in about 10 seconds without needing an email address....

They all start as User1, User2, etc until you go back and edit. If you already have a PSN account and sign in right after creating....thats different.

No PSN account? No problem, just hit the Skip button. I did it exactly this when I first setup my PS4.

Thats how Xbox One should work.

 

[Leyasu]

Still. A dead and empty UI may not bother you.

I dont sit there and stare at my pins... I game on it

 

[Gamezone]

I dont sit there and stare at my pins... I game on it

Good for you?

 

[Hans.Gruber]

wow really? I had no idea!

They don't pop up if you play offline, but they get registered and once you are online you can check them all out.

 

[Gamezone]

They don't pop up if you play offline, but they get registered and once you are online you can check them all out.

If they unlock. Sometimes they don`t.

 

[Darth Smurf X]

I will usually defend Phil Spencer, because I think he is what the XB1 needs right now, but in a thread talking about lies and/or broken promises, I find it funny that this is something I read THIS week:

http://www.gamesradar.com/phil-spencer-talks-future-xbox-one-and-windows-10/

On the topic of peripheral scenarios, where is your thinking on Kinect right now? Is it ostensibly abandoned?

It’s not abandoned. We just developed Upload Studio 2.0, which has green screening that you can do with Kinect. We’ll continue to build functionality to make it a valuable part of the ecosystem. That said, price point’s really important for the console – we saw that over the holidays in the UK and US, where we did well when we dropped the price, which was great. And I want to make sure consumers have choice on how much they value the functionality of Kinect when they buy a console. If you want to go buy a Kinect console [bundle], then they’re still available. I think it’s a great part of the ecosystem. And if you want just a console, and either add Kinect later, or Kinect’s simply not something you’re interested in, we give you that choice as well.

The teams continue to look at ways that Kinect makes the entertainment experience better. I’d say the area that hasn’t really landed – and I don’t know if it will – is, ‘Is Kinect integral to all of the core gaming scenarios on our console in terms of minute-to-minute gameplay?’ There are genres where Kinect works really well, but if you’re playing Halo or Call Of Duty, there’s not really a scenario that says, ‘Hey, I need a Kinect.’ There is a lot of excitement, and there are still announcements to come about what people are doing with it. But [Kinect’s] place will be earned through the experiences that are out there and the developers that show interest. We will continue to build functionality through voice and using the RGB and depth cameras, and we’ll stay focused on that, but giving the consumers choice is pretty critical.

Other than this green screen thing... what game can anyone point to that utilizes Kinect in a meaningful way that will be releasing in the next 6 months?

 

[Cathcart]

I thought the thread title said Phil Spector will push for better Xbox One offline features and I was like wow this is a really interesting turn of events. But instead it was boring.

 

[Gamezone]

I thought the thread title said Phil Spector will push for better Xbox One offline features and I was like wow this is a really interesting turn of events. But instead it was boring.

It was hope.I'll take whatever hope. I will bump this thread if it do happen.