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Phil Spencer - Xbox Could Be App on Your TV - No Console Required Within Year

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Nhranaghacon

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So, I'm reallllllly only posting this as I called it out in the previous Phil Spencer Xbox Anti Fanboyism thread and I happen to think, personally.... it's a rather quaint coincidence!

XCloud will eventually pull the rug out from under the entire console industry once this technology is lagless and hassle free - and by then who need's hardware fanboyism!

I know, a lot of nay sayers exist that say streaming games in any considerable fashion will never happen due to input lag ect, but they said back in the day - the
saaaame exact thing about On Demand streaming of Movies and TV through internet connections. But not only that . . . Terabyte internet speed's are becoming a reality, 100GIGbyte standard's are fairly common, I think a gig now is the standard for a lot of people... and download/upload speeds are only scheduled to get faster. Also, "Quantum-Internet" is beginning to be a thing.

And Machine Learning once applied to something like XCloud - is going to do wonders. I have considerable faith that Microsoft will within 5-10 years solve the lag/streaming quality/input issues.

And many have already vouched that these issues don't plague their own experiences.

Head of Xbox Phil Spencer says he thinks Xbox will release a smart TV app used to play games, with no console required, "in the next 12 months".

 
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Its not going to be a 100% replacement for pc/console gamers, but its going to significantly lower the barrier to entry for other audiences like new gamers and mobile gamers and thats the push. The other push is if microsoft can really get distributed servers in the form of XSX to help them improve the quality of the service.
 
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Streaming is probably the future. But there will have to be a technological breakthrough to eliminate latency. We are heading in that direction with 5G already. But like Karl Pilkington said, who knows what's gonna happen.
 

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i'd definitely go all in on it. saves me money if i don't need to buy a console. let me know when it's happening Phil

Streaming is probably the future. But there will have to be a technological breakthrough to eliminate latency. We are heading in that direction with 5G already. But like Karl Pilkington said, who knows what's gonna happen.
eh it's not bad right now if you have a half decent internet connection. if it sucks then blame your ISP. i've streamed on xcloud, ps now, geforce, stadia and it's been fine performance wise. even in games where you need quick responses. i've played bloodborne, doom, street fighter, catherine, F1. no problems.
 
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Umm, no I don't think it will. I am impressed by PS Now, xCloud, now that I have to wait on my console, but that's out of the desperation.
If XCloud ever resolves the latency issues, I really don't see why not. I'm quiet sure high bandwidth will solve many of the standing issues as provider's are able to provide
cheaper high speed bandwidth in the future - TeraByte network connection's will eventually supplant the naysayers.

Redditor's are in fact, currently citing the game's on XCloud run flawlessly - except for ugly video compression issues. Of course, they may be using 100gig Internet or higher.


I read up on the input lag, it is commonly known apparently that at a terabyte of internet bandwidth - would still cause .05 miliseconds of input lag on XCloud if Microsoft sat idly by and simply waited for internet speed's to climb.

That's actually not bad, at that point I would consider it solved - considering the best wireless mouse I could buy in 2007 had .05 milisecs of input lag with a direct wireless connection. And I noticed zero latency. I believe .02 milisecs for input devices are the standard now however.
 
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I know, a lot of nay sayers exist that say streaming games in any considerable fashion will never happen due to input lag ect, but they said back in the day - the
saaaame exact thing about On Demand streaming of Movies and TV through internet connections.

People said you couldn't stream movies and TV shows because of input lag?

Also you can't overcome the input lag problem by offering higher internet speeds. The time it takes for your command to reach a server and for the server to send you back the next frame after calculating what your input did inside the game is why there is input lag. Higher internet speeds have nothing to do with how long that relay takes.

We can't send commands to the Mars rovers faster just because NASA upgraded their Spectrum internet connection...
 
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I've spent enough time on Stadia to know that once people wake up to the possibility of this, and "get" it. It'll take over. Stadia works. Most people won't notice a difference to a console with input lag and all that. The only problem with Stadia is, well, google, and how you need to buy a controller to use it on TV and get a sub and then buy games on top.

Get better membership models out there, and streaming is, for a lot of people, definitely the future. It happened to music and movies, it'll happen to games.
 

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i'd definitely go all in on it. saves me money if i don't need to buy a console. let me know when it's happening Phil


eh it's not bad right now if you have a half decent internet connection. if it sucks then blame your ISP. i've streamed on xcloud, ps now, geforce, stadia and it's been fine performance wise. even in games where you need quick responses. i've played bloodborne, doom, street fighter, catherine, F1. no problems.
Maybe if the servers are near you. But if they're in a different country it's problematic
 
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I've spent enough time on Stadia to know that once people wake up to the possibility of this, and "get" it. It'll take over. Stadia works. Most people won't notice a difference to a console with input lag and all that. The only problem with Stadia is, well, google, and how you need to buy a controller to use it on TV and get a sub and then buy games on top.

Get better membership models out there, and streaming is, for a lot of people, definitely the future. It happened to music and movies, it'll happen to games.
totally agree. been saying this for a long time. most people don't give a shit about resolution/framerate/latency. that's for enthusiasts. yknow people who spend time on gaming forums.

it is the same for music/movies. most people aren't audio/cinephiles. they just want to listen to music or watch a film. they'll stream on spotify/apple music or watch movies on netflix/prime. for enthusiasts they'll go out and buy vinyls/bluray + expensives hardware to get the best experience. the same fate will happen to gaming. most people will go to streaming and enthusiasts will pay for powerful hardware to run it locally with higher resolution/framerate and better responsiveness.

personally, i'll happily use an Xbox Stick/App to replace buying an Xbox console. if Sony can get their shit together with PS Now i'd do the same with them. i'll be quite happy not spending £200-450 on a console.

Maybe if the servers are near you. But if they're in a different country it's problematic
yet you talk about a "technological breakthrough to eliminate latency".... maybe streaming services just need more servers. it's up to Sony/Microsoft/Google/Nvidia to do deploy more servers. Microsoft/Google have enough servers but Sony/Nvidia could do better.

if there are servers then it's perfect fine to play games by streaming them....unless you have a shit ISP in which case that's your problem not Sony/MS/Google/Nvidia :)
 
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totally agree. been saying this for a long time. most people don't give a shit about resolution/framerate/latency. that's for enthusiasts. yknow people who spend time on gaming forums.

personally, i'll happily use an Xbox Stick/App to replace buying an Xbox console. if Sony can get their shit together with PS Now i'd do the same with them. i'll be quite happy not spending £200-450 on a console.

Oh yeah, definitely. Especially with how consoles just keep getting bigger. I've played Orcs Must Die 3 on Stadia since summer, and I have to say I kinda love it. It's just so fast getting into things, it's very easy to get used to the simple convenience of it. Just having a controller synced to my TV and then having a vast library of games just by turning on my Tv sounds like a dream.
 

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totally agree. been saying this for a long time. most people don't give a shit about resolution/framerate/latency. that's for enthusiasts. yknow people who spend time on gaming forums.

personally, i'll happily use an Xbox Stick/App to replace buying an Xbox console. if Sony can get their shit together with PS Now i'd do the same with them. i'll be quite happy not spending £200-450 on a console.


yet you talk about a "technological breakthrough to eliminate latency".... maybe streaming services just need more servers. it's up to Sony/Microsoft/Google/Nvidia to do deploy more servers. Microsoft/Google have enough servers but Sony/Nvidia could do better.

if there are servers then it's perfect fine to play games by streaming them....unless you have a shit ISP in which case that's your problem not Sony/MS/Google/Nvidia :)
Nah latency is still a problem. Even if the server is next door to you. You're just not sensitive to it so to you it feels fine
 

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This is no different then xcloud on mobile and tablet. Only difference is the screen is bigger.

For the most part if u have a decent internet connection you can have a fairly lag free exp now. This would obviously require a smart tv, however those are limited to certain manufactures as im sure it will be limited to android based or samsung tvs. Roku tv's running brightscript likely cant handle it for instance. Im sure streaming sticks could be added for non smart tvs.

This is a drastically smaller market share compared to mobile and tablet. Dont expect tv support to change any plans for ms. They have already said they dont care what platform you play thier games on (which is logical as that is where the money is made).

The best exp will always be on the console though.
 

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totally agree. been saying this for a long time. most people don't give a shit about resolution/framerate/latency. that's for enthusiasts. yknow people who spend time on gaming forums.

personally, i'll happily use an Xbox Stick/App to replace buying an Xbox console. if Sony can get their shit together with PS Now i'd do the same with them. i'll be quite happy not spending £200-450 on a console.


yet you talk about a "technological breakthrough to eliminate latency".... maybe streaming services just need more servers. it's up to Sony/Microsoft/Google/Nvidia to do deploy more servers. Microsoft/Google have enough servers but Sony/Nvidia could do better.

if there are servers then it's perfect fine to play games by streaming them....unless you have a shit ISP in which case that's your problem not Sony/MS/Google/Nvidia :)
You can use psnow on Sony Bravia TVs
 

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People said you couldn't stream movies and TV shows because of input lag?

Also you can't overcome the input lag problem by offering higher internet speeds. The time it takes for your command to reach a server and for the server to send you back the next frame after calculating what your input did inside the game is why there is input lag. Higher internet speeds have nothing to do with how long that relay takes.

We can't send commands to the Mars rovers faster just because NASA upgraded their Spectrum internet connection...
No, many insisted streaming services simply would never be the common standard for about 7 years until youtube came to exist, and even for a year afterwards - cited youtube as an example of why high consumption instant content will never fly. Then about another 6 month's passed and they all disappeared.

Also, .05 seconds is what tech authorities state would eventually become the barrier even with Terabyte connections - at .05 seconds, I as someone who has utilized input devices with that latency as standard - would consider the input latency issue resolved. The best wireless Logitech Mice from 2007 had .05 miliseconds of input latency, and as a hardcore gamer it was essentially as fast as a wired solution.

As a computer scientist... that is fascinated because molecular compute and quantum internet is on the way, I don't see why these issues wont be sorted out by various technologies fairly soon

I've also seen ML technologies in the works for XCloud specifically - that aim to in fact - predict your actions before you make them - eventually the input lag issues will be sorted out.
 

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But surely this "you don't even need a console" approach is all the more reason to sort their lack of games out?

Phil should step back from these interviews and actually visit 343 and others to bash some heads together.

Nobody is going to bet on their Power of the cloud 2.0 approach until they have something worth playing.
 

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I read up on the input lag, it is commonly known apparently that at a terabyte of internet bandwidth - would still cause .05 miliseconds of input lag on XCloud if Microsoft sat idly by and simply waited for internet speed's to climb.

That's actually not bad, at that point I would consider it solved - considering the best wireless mouse I could buy in 2007 had .05 milisecs of input lag with a direct wireless connection. And I noticed zero latency. I believe .02 milisecs for input devices are the standard now however.

Bandwidth has nothing to do with latency. Latency is the time it takes to reach a certain location and back again. That is decided by the laws of physics (how fast light travels) and how many devices you need to pass through on the way. You could have 100 Tbit/s bandwidth and still lag in Fortnite.
 
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You can use psnow on Sony Bravia TVs
so all of 4 people can use psnow on their Sony Bravia TVs.

their 3rd best behind Samsung/LG lol. and they're only infront of crappy makes like Vizio/Hisense/TCL. i've never seen anyone with a Sony TV. it's either Samsung/LG
 
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