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[SoulPlaya]

Maybe she got it as a present.

Then, sell it if you are that hard on money.

 

[Horse Armour]

Pizza delivery guy is the only professions that I will tip well. My ass is actually too lazy to drive to the pizza place to pick up my food. So, I feel obligated to toss a little to the delivery person.

Here's a hint: The price of delivery is included in the price of the food. I mean you don't tip the restaurant for the electricity they had to use to power the oven that cooked your pizza, do you?

 

[Metalmurphy]

Does any country except for the US and Canada even have a tipping culture?

I've only been to Spain, France and Italy and ofc, Portugal where I live, but what I took from my time there, and how it works here, is that tipping exists, but it's something that is welcomed, not expected, and only happens if you were pleasantly satisfied with the service.

I never ordered any pizzas outside of Portugal though.

 

[Steelrain]

Then, sell it if you are that hard on money.

lol this thread.

 

[I'm an expert]

You really should tip something for delivery service. A single dollar as a gesture. I've been poor. And when you're too poor to tip, you really can't afford to be spending money on pizza delivery anyways. So you're right. Legally, that's all you're required to do, but unless there are extenuating circumstances, it's not a nice thing to do and too many people use BS excuses to justify bad behavior.

Well, think I'll leave my first (and last) tipping thread there. It boggles my mind that other Americans are so entrenched in the idea of "having to/must/absolutely necessary" to give a tip because if you don't society thinks you're not nice. Think I'll go order a pizza now..

Refusing to tip doesn't make you a freethinking maverick. It just makes you a cheap loser.

Yeah..I'm proud to be an American... where at least I know I'm cheap.

 

[yogloo]

I'm so tired of tipping threads. And, yogloo, garbage men get paid great money. At least get your facts straight if you're about to bitch about something.

http://money.howstuffworks.com/10-high-paying-dirty-job1.htm

If you've ever noticed an overflowing trashcan on a public street, you may have taken a moment to feel bad for the person who'll have to clean it all up. In the pinnacle of dirty jobs, garbage collectors have to deal hands-on with our trash, day in and day out. In this thankless job, they make sure it gets from our curbs to the landfill. Sanitation workers often put in long shifts, traveling up and down our streets to pick up trash while dodging impatient drivers -- who occasionally hit the guys who are emptying trash cans. That's one reason why trash collecting consistently ranks high on lists of dangerous jobs [source: Morsch].
Aside from angry drivers, these guys deal with forces of nature as well -- working in rain, snow and sleet. And let's not forget the smell. The reek of dirty diapers and rotting eggs can't be pleasant, especially combined with -- and particularly after -- stewing in the sun on a hot day. Even if sanitation engineers eventually get used to the smell, it probably doesn't make them popular after working a long shift.

$43,000 in california. Oh wow!!!! High paying dirty job!!! $43,000!!! I'm going to be rich soon!!! with overtime I can get up to $60,000!!! What amazing pay!!!

You think that is a great pay for handling your toxic waste? You should quit your job and become one.

 

[Fudgepuppy]

I've tipped once in my life, and that was at a festival to a cute girl selling nuts.

Thank god I live in Sweden.

 

[buhdeh]

So if all these poor pizza delivery drivers and waiters are barely feeding themselves, why don't they get an entry-level job that doesn't rely on tips? Since you guys make it seem like servers are all living in dumpsters, maybe they should apply at McDonalds instead.

 

[Dennis]

In Europe we generally tip in bars and your fancier restaurants and cafes and not so much fast food service.

Of course some people generally don't tip at all and these people are known in Europe as: 'cheap bastards'

 

[pxleyes]

I am not their employer. They are not my employee. A customer enters into a business transaction with the place of business, they tally up their cost of business, add their profit and offer a price for their all inclusive service for our transaction.

You know who the cheapskate is? The business owner who refuses to pay a normal wage, and takes advantage of people's social economic misery.

No wait, I'm just a cheapskate scumbag who calls up random people to pick up their food for them.

You know how the game is played but refuse to play by the rules. You are, without question, the ass in the situation.

 

[neojubei]

Wow this topic spiraled out of control. Even though I do tip and even tip more if the guy is cute I don't think people that don't tip should be scorned or blacklisted or called up and screamed at.

 

[smr00]

If you can't afford a tip, go pick up the pizza yourself you lazy ass. It's part of the social contract you agree to.

I didn't agree to shit.

I tip delivery out of fear of spit in my next meal but if i am at a restaurant and i get a shitty waiter which happens more often then not, that person will receive 0 tip. I know plenty of people who don't tip period and that is fine, if you have to rely on 2-3 dollar tips to live then i suggest get another fucking job.. Dominos isn't your only fucking option.

So if all these poor pizza delivery drivers and waiters are barely feeding themselves, why don't they get an entry-level job that doesn't rely on tips? Since you guys make it seem like servers are all living in dumpsters, maybe they should apply at McDonalds instead.

Exactly, you don't have to work a goddamn pizza hut or dominos.

I refuse to listen to the bullshit people say trying to defend waiters, nobody is obligated to give you money.

 

[LaserBuddha]

Here's a hint: The price of delivery is included in the price of the food. I mean you don't tip the restaurant for the electricity they had to use to power the oven that cooked your pizza, do you?

IF there is a delivery charge, it's no more than say a $1.50 or so? Otherwise it costs exactly what it costs in-store. Depending on the system in place, the delivery person may never see a dime of that and it's just to cover the shop having to throw the driver a bit of money for gas. Of course in some places the money goes nowhere but in the store's pocket.

You non-tippers seem unwilling to acknowledge a simple fact: Just because it isn't on the bill doesn't mean they're asking for "extra money". It's not on the bill because that gives you leverage as the customer ensure good service. I want one, just one, non-tipper to offer up a reason why they still thinking tipping is unnecessary in light of that. All of the reasons they provide require them to cover their ears and hum when they are easily debunked.

You know how the game is played but refuse to play by the rules. You are, without question, the ass in the situation.

The funny part is he must think that there is an alternative to tipping besides being forced to pay extra even if the service is terrible. Where do these people think the money will come from if everyone stops tipping? Or maybe all the pitifully-flawed logic is a smokescreen for a simple desire to take advantage any way they can.

 

[kehs]

You know how the game is played but refuse to play by the rules. You are, without question, the ass in the situation.

Innocent bystander effect.

"I'm sure someone called the police."

 

[ChiTownBuffalo]

Except we've had, I don't know, a gazillion threads about tipping/not tipping... This thread should be different. As Badia herself said, how on earth did she deserve this treatment just because she didn't leave a tip? To spend most of the thread talking about tipping etiquette seems mostly irrelevant given the context of the abusive voicemail. And yet, most of the replies are arguing that she shouldn't have ordered the food in the first place if she couldn't pay the tip.... that comes dangerously close to suggesting Badia kinda/sorta asked for mistreatment, doesn't it? Even the news station knew enough to make the headline: "Pizza Delivery Driver's Alleged Racist Rant Caught On Tape" instead of "Cheap College Student Stiffs Hard-Working Pizza Deliverman."

I think the direction responses have taken this thread is telling. Rather than talking about race relations and stereotypes that produced this absolutely hateful rant (which was, I think, Badia's purpose in speaking to the media), we'd rather argue from the driver's perspective about the "injustice" of being "stiffed" a couple of bucks. Hell, some people are even calling non tippers "trash," which is not too far removed (at least in sentiment) from what this driver screamed at Badia into her phone. In only focusing on her not giving a tip, we're equivocating on the extent to which the driver's fury was somehow justified. Yet if we all agree that the driver's was a racist prick, then why are we wasting breath bickering about whether she should have tipped a couple of bucks...

Is there anyone else who finds this slightly absurd?

We all do agree the driver was a racist prick. If he had gotten a decent tip, would that have made hin still a racist prick? Yup, he had that in his heart the whole time.

Now, if you want to discuss why Badia brought this to the attention of the media. I'm not entirely sure. One, is this an incident of racism worth reporting? Part of me says, yes, all racist incidents shoiuld be made light of, especially one this overt. But, there is a part of me that says the racist rant of a pizza delivery guy in WV isn't newsworthy

And, it ultimately comes down to the tipping when you bring it into the public. People are going to say, "Oh my, that was horrible of the delivery driver." And some may say it openloy and some may not, but I guarantee you people will ask, "Why didn't she tip him?"

 

[bigboss370]

So, this is on the internet already

for shame...

 

[LiK]

if they delivered it in a timely manner, just give the guy a few bucks as a tip.

 

[VelvetMouth]

where and when do I say that, exactly?
i don't tip because I think a salary is something discussed between employer and employee. the customer doesn't come into the mix directly. if this means that an employer has to raise prizes in order to fund this bump, so be it. hell, several American restaurants have " tip included" on their tab.

What's the difference, a tip that's included on the tab or you give the person money out of your pocket? A tip is a tip and according to you other people can take up your slack because you don't tip and if people who have to take on low wage jobs because that's the only job available to them don't like it, get another job loser!

 

[tino]

Too many no tipping idiots in this thread. She got what she deserve.

 

[Protome]

Does any country except for the US and Canada even have a tipping culture?

In the UK it's considered polite and most people do it, but it's not frowned upon when you don't like in America.

I don't think I've ever heard of anyone in the UK ever specify a % for tipping either. It tends to just be "I have this change in my wallet, here is some of it"

 

[Horse Armour]

IF there is a delivery charge, it's no more than say a $1.50 or so? Otherwise it costs exactly what it costs in-store. Depending on the system in place, the delivery person may never see a dime of that and it's just to cover the shop having to throw the driver a bit of money for gas. Of course in some places the money goes nowhere but in the store's pocket.

You non-tippers seem unwilling to acknowledge a simple fact: Just because it isn't on the bill doesn't mean they're asking for "extra money". It's not on the bill because that gives you leverage as the customer ensure good service. I want one, just one, non-tipper to offer up a reason why they still thinking tipping is unnecessary in light of that. All of the reasons they provide require them to cover their ears and hum when they are easily debunked.

European delivery drivers don't get tips yet still don't live in dumpsters, US delivery drivers get tips most of the time yet going by this thread seem to barely be making enough to pay for a roof over their heads.

 

[pxleyes]

Too many no tipping idiots in this thread. She got what she deserve.

No, she didn't. She deserved a cold pizza, not a racial rant on her phone.

 

[Kacho]

Too many no tipping idiots in this thread. She got what she deserve.

Dude WHAT

 

[Metalmurphy]

Too many no tipping idiots in this thread. She got what she deserve.

And you're calling other people idiots?

 

[bigboss370]

Too many no tipping idiots in this thread. She got what she deserve.

you gotta be kidding me...what the fuck dude?

 

[ChiTownBuffalo]

Too many no tipping idiots in this thread. She got what she deserve.

 

[Horse Armour]

Too many no tipping idiots in this thread. She got what she deserve.

Lol. This, this is why the rest of the world laughs at the US tipping culture. Don't leave me a $2 tip?! Here's a racist, death threatening voice mail!

 

[Corky]

I've tipped once in my life, and that was at a festival to a cute girl selling nuts.

Thank god I live in Sweden.

*swedishbrofist*

Here our restaurant employees are paid a representative wage for the line of work they're in. I've tipped many times at the fancier places I've eaten, the waitress came with complementary soup and appetizers etc and really attended our table throughout the night without getting obnoxious. I think we tipped her 100% or something like that, and I genuinely felt like she deserved it.

Ate at some random chinese place in the states with my half-chinese buddy when I lived there... the food was cold and tasted atrocious, didn't even get water even after repeated demands, we gave them ~10% tip and they followed us out on the street almost starting a fight!

"tipping is 15% minimum" the guy said with a blank stare on his face. We proceeded to tell him how shitty everything was hence us "only" giving them 10%. Then they starting cussing at us in chinese unbeknownst to them that my friend understood them perfectly.

 

[JB1981]

No tipping makes racists assholes a-ok!

No one said that. If she is getting something delivered and she can't afford to TIP then don't get it delivered. When you factor in the cost of delivery, you factor in the TIP, regardless of what your personal philosophy is on tipping.

 

[Steelrain]

Is service usually shitty in European restaurants??

With all that leverage we have as customers in America it must be pretty terrible compared to us.

Too many no tipping idiots in this thread. She got what she deserve.

Not even surprised.

 

[smr00]

Too many no tipping idiots in this thread. She got what she deserve.

So if a waiter is untimely with my food i have a right to stand up and verbally assault him? i mean he deserves it for being a shitty waiter right? It can't be a one way street.

If i go through a drive through and they put pickles on my burger even though i said no burgers and if i storm in there and smash that burger in the assholes face it's ok because he deserved it? stupid fucking logic is stupid.

 

[neojubei]

Too many no tipping idiots in this thread. She got what she deserve.

What?

 

[pxleyes]

Innocent bystander effect.

"I'm sure someone called the police."

No one is watching you not tip. You have to square your cheapness with yourself.

 

[PepsimanVsJoe]

you gotta be kidding me...what the fuck dude?

Goddamn.
The crazy part is I don't even remember putting that guy on ignore.

 

[notworksafe]

Your garbage man?

There is tons of people who get paid shit and have a tougher job that does not get tipped.

Garbage men get paid relatively well, actually.

 

[LaserBuddha]

European delivery drivers don't get tips yet still don't live in dumpsters, US delivery drivers get tips most of the time yet going by this thread seem to barely be making enough to pay for a roof over their heads.

If they don't give tips then the business owner has added their wages to the price of the food. That's good for the driver and hopefully good service is the norm over there since the "tip" is automatic and involuntary.

Having worked as a delivery driver, yes it can be very difficult to scrape by.

 

[Metalmurphy]

No one said that. If she is getting something delivered and she can't afford to TIP then don't get it delivered. When you factor in the cost of delivery, you factor in the TIP, regardless of what your personal philosophy is on tipping.

Why? The price includes the freaking delivery, if it didn't it would be stated otherwise...

You know how it works in Portugal? If you don't ask for delivery and go pick it up instead, you get TWO pizzas for the price of one.

 

[-COOLIO-]

tips cause way too many problems, just raise food prices. i doubt overall service would really suffer that much

 

[PhoenixDark]

If you can't afford a couple dollar tip for a delivery person, go to McDonalds. If your problem with tipping is that "the system is broken" that doesn't excuse hurting people who work in said system. No, some people can't simply "get a better" job especially in this shitty economy. Seriously, the level of entitlement in every tipping thread is staggering.

I go to Buffalo Wild Wings a lot, often staying pretty late to watch sports. Serving tables is not an easy job, and everyone knows servers/waiters don't get paid well; their income is based moreso on tips in many cases. If I can afford to purchase a meal or some drinks at BWW, the least I can do is give the server a good tip for good service.

Being a good tipper also has its perks. I tend to get extra fortune cookies whenever I order Chinese food because the driver knows I appreciate good service. I can tell my regular waitress at BWW has spread the word about me because whenever someone else serves me I get extra stuff as well.

And of course being black, there are few things funnier than seeing the half second of disappointment whenever I open the door to a delivery person I'm unfamiliar with (and vise versa). It's interesting seeing stereotypes manifest in person, at least to me. And when I tip I sense palpable relief - and perhaps even some guilt - from them.

 

[poppabk]

I don't tip for picking up take out. Nor is it expected.

Not expected because people don't do it, or not expected because the social contract we all signed doesn't include it?
I have only lived in America for 10 years and still haven't received my copy of the contract and so have been tipping when I picked up food.

 

[kehs]

No one said that. If she is getting something delivered and she can't afford to TIP then don't get it delivered. When you factor in the cost of delivery, you factor in the TIP, regardless of what your personal philosophy is on tipping.

Why do you factor in the tip to the purchase price?

You don't. A tip is extra for going above and beyond what you were hired to do.

 

[Horse Armour]

tips cause way too many problems, just raise food prices. i doubt overall service would really suffer that much

That's a filthy socialist European lie. I heard that European delivery drivers open the pizza box in front of you and spit on the pizza then spit in your face.

 

[pigeon]

$43,000 in california. Oh wow!!!! High paying dirty job!!! $43,000!!! I'm going to be rich soon!!! with overtime I can get up to $60,000!!! What amazing pay!!!

...is this a joke post? $43k is a bit over $20 an hour. I'm not saying being a garbage man is awesome, but that's pretty good pay for what is basically an unskilled job. How much would be a lot of money to you, exactly?

 

[Metalmurphy]

Is service usually shitty in European restaurants??

With all that leverage we have as customers in America it must be pretty terrible compared to us.

No it's not.

 

[Protome]

That's a filthy socialist European lie. I heard that European delivery drivers open the pizza box in front of you and spit on the pizza then spit on your face.

Yeah, that's true. But it's considered a delicacy.

 

[JB1981]

This guy knows what's up.

If I walked into lawry's and eat a $100 meal, I'm somehow obliged to tip 15-20 dollar. Yet if I walked into denny's and eat a $20 meal, the tip amounted to $3-4. Something is really fucked up here. The job in lawry's is sure not THAT much harder than denny's. The system is broken.

Fine dining service = Denny's service. OK ...

 

[PepsimanVsJoe]

...is this a joke post? $43k is a bit over $20 an hour. I'm not saying being a garbage man is awesome, but that's pretty good pay for what is basically an unskilled job. How much would be a lot of money to you, exactly?

Well the standards of living are much higher in California.

Still that is more than what a pizza-driver typically makes.

 

[smr00]

If you can't afford a couple dollar tip for a delivery person, go to McDonalds. If your problem with tipping is that "the system is broken" that doesn't excuse hurting people who work in said system. No, some people can't simply "get a better" job especially in this shitty economy. Seriously, the level of entitlement in every tipping thread is staggering.

I go to Buffalo Wild Wings a lot, often staying pretty late to watch sports. Serving tables is not an easy job, and everyone knows servers/waiters don't get paid well; their income is based moreso on tips in many cases. If I can afford to purchase a meal or some drinks at BWW, the least I can do is give the server a good tip for good service.

Being a good tipper also has its perks. I tend to get extra fortune cookies whenever I order Chinese food because the driver knows I appreciate good service. I can tell my regular waitress at BWW has spread the word about me because whenever someone else serves me I get extra stuff as well.

And of course being black, there are few things funnier than seeing the half second of disappointment whenever I open the door to a delivery person I'm unfamiliar with (and vise versa). It's interesting seeing stereotypes manifest in person, at least to me. And when I tip I sense palpable relief - and perhaps even some guilt - from them.

If someone can't afford a few bucks what makes you think they can afford gas to go to mcdonalds? If i didn't fear that they would spit in my food if i didn't tip them (delivery people) i would NEVER tip them, i am not obligated to tip them, this whole social contract horse shit is just that, horse shit.

You cry entitlement yet you think waiters/delivery people are entitled money from me for doing their job? that makes no goddamn sense, they get paid to bring me food, it's not my fault they have a shitty fucking job.

 

[pigeon]

You know how it works in Portugal? If you don't ask for delivery and go pick it up instead, you get TWO pizzas for the price of one.

In other words, the delivery charge for pizza in Portugal is 100% of the price of the pizza, and this is somehow better.

edit:

Well the standards of living are much higher in California.

I live in the Bay Area, and I used to do it on $13 an hour -- about $27k. I'm not saying I was raising two kids, but I really cannot imagine being a person who sneers at $43k as being lousy pay.

 

[I'm an expert]

If you can't afford a couple dollar tip for a delivery person, go to McDonalds. If your problem with tipping is that "the system is broken" that doesn't excuse hurting people who work in said system. No, some people can't simply "get a better" job especially in this shitty economy. Seriously, the level of entitlement in every tipping thread is staggering.
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Yeah man, I'm sure the delivery guy in this story is working this job because of the economy. Not because he as a complete and utter fuckwit who doesn't even know how to hang up a phone and NOT leave death threats on a voice mail. Poor him, the economy is beating him down while the entitled black girl pisses all over him for not giving him a dollar.