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Is it a known fact that UMD res is the same as a DVD Movie? Any offical link to that or is it just speculations? It would be great to know thanks.
 
This will be an awesome option to have. It does defeat the purpose of portability, but then, some PSP games won't be out on home consoles.. it'll be great to play them in similar ways.

I was kinda hoping PS3 might have a GB Player equivilent.
 
Zer0 said:
on every psp thread
:lol

It's funny how Sony fans can't handle people who even slightly criticize anything Sony related. The amazing success of the Playstation and Playstation 2 has pampered you guys to the max!

Anyway, I thought it was already possible to hook up your PSP to a TV? I coulda sworn Kutaragi said or at least wanted something like that.
 
Shompola said:
Is it a known fact that UMD res is the same as a DVD Movie? Any offical link to that or is it just speculations? It would be great to know thanks.

I don't know how valid this link is, but it's been posted before:

http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,120113,00.asp

SCEI has yet to announce UMD support in products beyond the PSP, but it has talked about the possibility of making it a common format for a family of gadgets. Should this happen, the UMD movies may benefit from future players with larger screens. The movies are stored on the discs at a resolution of 720 pixels by 480 pixels, says Chatani. That's the same resolution as DVD.
 
It doesn't matter what the resolution on the UMD is if the HW encoder in PSP renders it internally in the low PSP resolution.

To utilize a higher resolution possibly stored on the UMD you'd need to reconfigure the video encoder or have a new encoder alltogether (i.e. a new UMD player).
 
Thanks Kiriku. I guess that is good enough.

Chittagong said:
It doesn't matter what the resolution on the UMD is if the HW encoder in PSP renders it internally in the low PSP resolution.

To utilize a higher resolution possibly stored on the UMD you'd need to reconfigure the video encoder or have a new encoder alltogether (i.e. a new UMD player).

I see. I wonder if a homebrew um video app would benefit of the true resolution of the movie if used with that tv out device.
 
citrus lump said:
How is it that movies are at the same resolution as DVDs, and have extras? Aren't UMDs only 1.8 gigs? Where do they put it all?

As mentioned before in this thread, there's a magic trick called compression.
 
Chittagong said:
It doesn't matter what the resolution on the UMD is if the HW encoder in PSP renders it internally in the low PSP resolution.

To utilize a higher resolution possibly stored on the UMD you'd need to reconfigure the video encoder or have a new encoder alltogether (i.e. a new UMD player).

And by "encoder", you mean a decoder, right? Right.

Good point though.
 
Shogmaster said:
And by "encoder", you mean a decoder, right? Right.

Good point though.


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citrus lump said:
How is it that movies are at the same resolution as DVDs, and have extras? Aren't UMDs only 1.8 gigs? Where do they put it all?

Read the thread, would ya?

Shogmaster said:
MPEG4 gives you similar quality output at about the third of the file size compared to MPEG2.
 
Ruzbeh said:
:lol

It's funny how Sony fans can't handle people who even slightly criticize anything Sony related. The amazing success of the Playstation and Playstation 2 has pampered you guys to the max!

Anyway, I thought it was already possible to hook up your PSP to a TV? I coulda sworn Kutaragi said or at least wanted something like that.
Like my thread, wich I didn't think was a troll thread at all. Wanted to convince my friend of buying a X360 instead of PSP.

....

I've never seen such hatred. I went to shop some food and 20 minutes later the thread was a hate place for PSP fans. I mean Seriously, can you accept that some ppl doens't like the PSP?!
 
Ruzbeh said:
Anyway, I thought it was already possible to hook up your PSP to a TV? I coulda sworn Kutaragi said or at least wanted something like that.
He did. He also said, it would run at 333 MHz but things change.
 
Drexon said:
Like my thread, wich I didn't think was a troll thread at all. Wanted to convince my friend of buying a X360 instead of PSP.

....

I've never seen such hatred. I went to shop some food and 20 minutes later the thread was a hate place for PSP fans. I mean Seriously, can you accept that some ppl doens't like the PSP?!
Make a similar thread switching the PSP with a DS and see the warm reception you get...I'm sure you'll be welcomed with open arms.

It's not a Sony fan thing...switch the topic and you'll see it's just a general fanboy thing
 
Where is this thing going to plug in if it doesn't require soldering? There's nowhere on the PSP where you can get video out, except by some stretch of an imagination - through USB, and USB port is clearly visible on the rendered picture.

cybamerc said:
He did. He also said, it would run at 333 MHz but things change.
They don't in this case. It runs at 333Mhz just fine. I also don't think it was ever mentioned that PSP would have TV out.
 
mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm being able to use dual shock controller on the psp
hotness. i wonder if the screen will still display what your playing on the psp. that way you can just use the playstation controller and not worry about sending the signal to your tv
 
Some of you are either dumb or playing dumb. I'm guessing a little bit of each.

You know, you can play your PSP on the go, and once in a while would like to play Wipeout Pure or Ridge Racers (which are not available on any home console) on a big TV with a nice sound system. Having a device like this makes that possible. It does not "defeat the purpose", since you don't have to do one or the other. You could play your PSP gamed today on the bus, and tomorrow on a TV.

Same thing with UMD movies. If you buy a tv show on UMD to watch on the road, and then use a device like this to watch later on your TV, than this is something that a DVD can't do (unless you shell out the money for a portable DVD player, which is far bulkier than a PSP), so again it's kind of dumb to tell someone to buy a DVD instead.

I would probably buy this is it was reasonably priced and the visual quality was acceptable. I prefer to play my PSP games on the PSP screen, but once in a while it would be nice to play a game on a big screen TV with surround sound.
 
Shogmaster said:
Good point though.
Actually decoder still decodes the full resolution movie (they're called bitstreams for a reason), decoded data is then scaled down in software.

That said, obviously there'd be no point from Sony perspective to update video player to support TV res, so it's not happening anytime soon.
 
Ruzbeh said:
It's funny how Sony fans can't handle people who even slightly criticize anything Sony related. The amazing success of the Playstation and Playstation 2 has pampered you guys to the max!

It's funny how you keep saying that in every PSP thread. And the problem isn't a little bit of critisizm. The problem is that it's the same group of idiots with no interest in the PSP who descend on every PSP thread, making informative discussions all but impossible. I'm more interested in reading a discussion of the merits of a device like this, than hearing for the millionth time how the PSP has no good games, how all its games are available on PS2, or how UMD movies are a waste of money, etc.
 
AniHawk said:
I didnt get a SNES because my parents didnt want me addicted to games (that worked out real well), so they got me a Game Boy instead.

I still fail to see how the PSP thing would make more logical sense than the GBP. PSP is supposed to offer current-gen graphics and gameplay on a handheld. It's like playing the Sonic Game Gear games on television. And for the movies... Well DVDs.

For the GBP, you can't really find console equivalents of GBA games out there anymore (save for the two new 2D Zeldas that came out this gen), so viewing them on a television screen would make sense.

EDIT: What ejdonk said.

How hard is it to understand? Having this does not mean you can no longer take your PSP with you. It simply means that while at home, if you'd like to continue playing a game or would like to watch a movie you already purchased to watch on the road, you can do so on the TV, for convenience.
 
Think it this way.. PSP as a Media center fetching movies and such from a PC via wifi? I think it would be very cool.
 
Drexon said:
Like my thread, wich I didn't think was a troll thread at all. Wanted to convince my friend of buying a X360 instead of PSP.

....

I've never seen such hatred. I went to shop some food and 20 minutes later the thread was a hate place for PSP fans. I mean Seriously, can you accept that some ppl doens't like the PSP?!

I don't know, can you accept some people want to buy a PSP because of their gaming habits and not want a Xbox 360? Oh that's right.....thought so, you missed the entire point why people were ragging on you.



Too bulky but it would be a nice void for the no video out. As mentioned before in practice it would be more useful then the GBP, now now N-bots don't get your panties in a bunch we aren't talking about just games here. It would be more useful considering the other features of the PSP, picture viewing, UMD playing but more importantly at least for me would be to play vids of my memory stick. It's a pain in the ass sometimes to hook my PC up to my TV sometimes to show some friends some vid captures or fansubbed anime but something like this would make it a whole lot easier.

Ruzbeh said:
:lol

It's funny how Sony fans can't handle people who even slightly criticize anything Sony related. The amazing success of the Playstation and Playstation 2 has pampered you guys to the max!

Anyway, I thought it was already possible to hook up your PSP to a TV? I coulda sworn Kutaragi said or at least wanted something like that.

Yea why don't you, instead of inspiring trolling among the same few people who come in and ruin every PSP DISCUSSION thread, try and read and learn and maybe take part in the discussion. I mean come on, you just admit that you didn't even know the PSP did not have video out, that tells me you don't know jack shit about the PSP yet you seem to be in quite a few of the threads "criticizing" it? It's one thing to state your opinion on something, it's quite another to do it in every single goddamn thread. N-bot's have Drinky to deal with in every other DS thread and thats about it, PSP threads have every damn person in the N-bot conglomerate taking rotating shifts of 3 or 5 to deal with spouting their opinions and sometimes as pointed out above very uninformed opinions. It's not slightly criticizing, it's a wave of annoyance that distracts from every DISCUSSION.
 
This is actually getting a more mixed response than I thought it would.

Looks not bad, at a decent price I'd think about it. Only concern for me would be it looks like one small jerk the wrong way on your controller and the PSP will take a fall. I'd probably hook up the wireless controller if possible.
 
I'm very interested in this. I don't own a PSP, primarily because I have no opportunities to play on the go (I'm a five minute walk from work), it's too expensive, and I hate playing on small screens in my own home. I barely played any of my GBA games until I got my GB Player, now I play them all the time. I'm totally going to keep an eye on this.
 
Fafalada said:
Actually decoder still decodes the full resolution movie (they're called bitstreams for a reason), decoded data is then scaled down in software.

That said, obviously there'd be no point from Sony perspective to update video player to support TV res, so it's not happening anytime soon.


Interesting. Does the UMD movie player software for the PSP do anything to improve the image like supersampling or anything like that?
 
Wakune said:
Make a similar thread switching the PSP with a DS and see the warm reception you get...I'm sure you'll be welcomed with open arms.

It's not a Sony fan thing...switch the topic and you'll see it's just a general fanboy thing

I'd call it a backlash thing.

For the longest time leading up to and immediately after the PSP launch, the Sony fanboys were in absolute full force pimping the system as a complete godsend, set to topply Nintendo's handheld empire in a day. They exuded such arrogance and hyped up such unrealistic expectations that to say anything pro-DS was immediately condescended upon as anti-progress in gaming, because the system wasn't as sexy, multi-purpose, or (and most importantly) technicaly powerful.

But then the DS started kicking ass and taking names the day Nintendogs came out in Japan, and ever since the DS fans have been unleashing all of their repressed anger at the pro-PSP crowd, for everything from the PSP's pretty laughable lineup to the DS's absolutely fuckton incredible one. It's the closest thing to a coup you could ever recognize on a gaming forum... people slammed the DS so hard before the PSP was even out that the other camp is being all the more snide while the DS has its day in the sun.

I think it's pretty humorous. But then, I'm one of the ones who plays my DS daily, while my PSP has been redubbed as my portable Family Guy player.
 
Juice said:
I'd call it a backlash thing.

For the longest time leading up to and immediately after the PSP launch, the Sony fanboys were in absolute full force pimping the system as a complete godsend, set to topply Nintendo's handheld empire in a day. They exuded such arrogance and hyped up such unrealistic expectations that to say anything pro-DS was immediately condescended upon as anti-progress in gaming, because the system wasn't as sexy, multi-purpose, or (and most importantly) technicaly powerful.

But then the DS started kicking ass and taking names the day Nintendogs came out in Japan, and ever since the DS fans have been unleashing all of their repressed anger at the pro-PSP crowd, for everything from the PSP's pretty laughable lineup to the DS's absolutely fuckton incredible one. It's the closest thing to a coup you could ever recognize on a gaming forum... people slammed the DS so hard before the PSP was even out that the other camp is being all the more snide while the DS has its day in the sun.

I think it's pretty humorous. But then, I'm one of the ones who plays my DS daily, while my PSP has been redubbed as my portable Family Guy player.

In other words:

"Waaaah, a load of Sonybots pissed on my parade so I'm going to attempt to do the same, showing my superior social and communicative skills in the best light possible regardless of the fact that those I may troll probably had nothing to do with the original parade-pissing that upset me, but they like Sony, so it's OK anyway...grumblegrumblegrumbleevilconglomerategrumblegrumblegrumble".

Yeah, I think that about covers it :lol
 
Juice said:
I'd call it a backlash thing.

For the longest time leading up to and immediately after the PSP launch, the Sony fanboys were in absolute full force pimping the system as a complete godsend, set to topply Nintendo's handheld empire in a day. They exuded such arrogance and hyped up such unrealistic expectations that to say anything pro-DS was immediately condescended upon as anti-progress in gaming, because the system wasn't as sexy, multi-purpose, or (and most importantly) technicaly powerful.

But then the DS started kicking ass and taking names the day Nintendogs came out in Japan, and ever since the DS fans have been unleashing all of their repressed anger at the pro-PSP crowd, for everything from the PSP's pretty laughable lineup to the DS's absolutely fuckton incredible one. It's the closest thing to a coup you could ever recognize on a gaming forum... people slammed the DS so hard before the PSP was even out that the other camp is being all the more snide while the DS has its day in the sun.

I think it's pretty humorous. But then, I'm one of the ones who plays my DS daily, while my PSP has been redubbed as my portable Family Guy player.

I hope you're a 14-year old, because otherwise that's a pretty sad post.
 
Vennt said:
In other words:

"Waaaah, a load of Sonybots pissed on my parade so I'm going to attempt to do the same, showing my superior social and communicative skills in the best light possible ragardless of the fact that those I may troll probably had nothing to do with the original parade-pissing that upset me, but they like Sony, so it's OK anyway...grumblegrumblegrumbleevilconglomerategrumblegrumblegrumble".

Yeah, I think that about covers it :lol

Right, yeah.

EDIT:
Miburou said:
I hope you're a 14-year old, because otherwise that's a pretty sad post.

Actually, it's probably the best summary on the entire issue of DS fans' gloating that's been posted on GAF to date. If there's something in particular that you see differently, I welcome you to point it out. If you want to play the "well you must be some XX-year-old" game, we can do that, but I'd prefer to actually have a discussion about the issues being brought up.

If you want to derail conversations with petty, baseless, and thoughtless refutations, I recommend you check out the excellent forum community at GameFaqs.com
 
AniHawk said:
I still fail to see how the PSP thing would make more logical sense than the GBP. PSP is supposed to offer current-gen graphics and gameplay on a handheld. It's like playing the Sonic Game Gear games on television. And for the movies... Well DVDs.

For the GBP, you can't really find console equivalents of GBA games out there anymore (save for the two new 2D Zeldas that came out this gen), so viewing them on a television screen would make sense.

EDIT: What ejdonk said.

I can't play Wipeout Pure or Lumines on a home system. I doubt I would, but people have said they would like to. I imagine the sound benefits alone of playing through a good stereo system would be benefit enough for some people.
 
Juice said:
Right, yeah.

EDIT:


Actually, it's probably the best summary on the entire issue of DS fans' gloating that's been posted on GAF to date. If there's something in particular that you see differently, I welcome you to point it out. If you want to play the "well you must be some XX-year-old" game, we can do that, but I'd prefer to actually have a discussion about the issues being brought up.
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You might as well extend that story back the announcement of the PSP, and the Nintendo trolls who were certain it would be stillborn, cost $400, and be poor quality. There was a reason those Sony trolls were so ravenous-- when the ~$200 price was announce in Japan, half of the crap they'd been eating turned out to not be true, and it looked like the PSP would do extremely well.
 
Ignatz Mouse said:
I can't play Wipeout Pure or Lumines on a home system. I doubt I would, but people have said they would like to. I imagine the sound benefits alone of playing through a good stereo system would be benefit enough for some people.
because tv's actually output sound, amirite!?!?!?

:lol :lol :lol

i can't believe this thread turned to sh... oh wait, yes i can...
 
Ignatz Mouse said:
You might as well extend that story back the announcement of the PSP, and the Nintendo trolls who were certain it would be stillborn, cost $400, and be poor quality. There was a reason those Sony trolls were so ravenous-- when the ~$200 price was announce in Japan, half of the crap they'd been eating turned out to not be true, and it looked like the PSP would do extremely well.

Yeah, that's definitely true. The (relatively) low price was a pretty huge shocker; that coupled with Ridge Racer pics/vids, there was a lot of justified positive momentum in the PSP's corner. But I'd say up until that point, the shit-flinging was pretty much just standard back-and-forth fanboy fare; I can't think of any particular dynamic that made the pissing contest interesting then. You know, people looking forward to the PSP were heralding it as a PS2 on wheels, while the DS fans were ... uhh, being typically defensive Nintendo fanboys.

(Aside: Which reminds me, I still can't believe people defended the original DS case design that was unveiled at E3 2004. It was absolutely atrocious.)
 
Ignatz Mouse said:
You might as well extend that story back the announcement of the PSP, and the Nintendo trolls who were certain it would be stillborn, cost $400, and be poor quality. There was a reason those Sony trolls were so ravenous-- when the ~$200 price was announce in Japan, half of the crap they'd been eating turned out to not be true, and it looked like the PSP would do extremely well.

You could probably go one step further, and those people bashed the DS when it was announced, useless touch screen, unnecessary gimmicks, etc, etc.

It's a vicious circle. No one can justify either side at this point really.
 
SailorDaravon said:
You could probably go one step further, and those people bashed the DS when it was announced, useless touch screen, unnecessary gimmicks, etc, etc.

It's a vicious circle. No one can justify either side at this point really.

hehe, the point wasn't to point out "who started it all," just to illustrate the immediate situation for those seemingly surprised by it.

A few more back-stepping replies and we'd end up at shit about how Nintendo's arrogance in dealing with Sony and Phillips simultaneously led to the PSX project in the first place.
 
Wow, I can't wait to watch UMD movies at half the vertical resolution of DVDs using composite cables and stereo sound! I might as well sell my entire DVD collection that was just made obsolete!
 
Westonian said:
Wow, I can't wait to watch UMD movies at half the vertical resolution of DVDs using composite cables and stereo sound! I might as well sell my entire DVD collection that was just made obsolete!

Yes, because you are forced to buy all hardware that is released regardless of whether it fits any need or desire you have.

Your point?
 
Juice said:
hehe, the point wasn't to point out "who started it all," just to illustrate the immediate situation for those seemingly surprised by it.
No one is surprised at the source of the immediate situation. We all know. What's being commented on is how ridiculous the attempts are to justify the misplaced anger and backlash, that you and others put forward.
 
kaching said:
No one is surprised at the source of the immediate situation. We all know. What's being commented on is how ridiculous the attempts are to justify the misplaced anger and backlash, that you and others put forward.

There's no justifying it, I'm just explaining it.

And I'd hardly say I'm backlashing out at forum members, as I'm disappointed with my PSP thus far relative to the hype it was receiving and given the games I've seen for it. I'm fully confident some killer-apps will come out sooner or later, I'm just among many others who're lamenting that said killer-app doesn't seem to have materialized yet. While I'd say voicing that so frequently would be redundant, the repetitive praise to titles like Untold Legends II and Burnout Legends and the like calls for dissent to be pointed out in due form.
 
Vennt said:
Yes, because you are forced to buy all hardware that is released regardless of whether it fits any need or desire you have.

Your point?

My point was that while I can understand the draw to play PSP games on a TV, I can't see how UMD movies would ever be a compelling reason to buy this, as some people in the thread are suggesting.

Who here has a PSP but doesn't have a DVD player? Who here would buy a UMD movie but not the DVD counterpart? Within the answer to those questions lies my point.
 
I imagine the sound benefits alone of playing through a good stereo system would be benefit enough for some people.
You already can plug your PSP to stereo system and have the sound coming from it. Just plug the headphones out to audio in on your system.
 
Westonian said:
My point was that while I can understand the draw to play PSP games on a TV, I can't see how UMD movies would ever be a compelling reason to buy this, as some people in the thread are suggesting.

Who here has a PSP but doesn't have a DVD player? Who here would buy a UMD movie but not the DVD counterpart? Within the answer to those questions lies my point.

Who'd buy something twice when they could buy it once and still watch it on both platforms.

Right now, lots of us "buy" the DVD and then rip it to a format we can watch it from on the memory stick. Even with H.264 support, it's not possibly as good of quality as an actual UMD rip, but it's good enough for most.

This is just the other direction. If the portable library is more important, then maybe some people would be inclined to buy the UMD and then watch a slightly degraded version on their TV.

Either way one side's quality is less. And both methods have about $100 overhead, I'd imagine.
 
"Superior method of PS2 controller"

Heh. Nope. Wrong. I'd rather use the PSP.

Anyways, where the heck would this even connect to the PSP? The only output is the USP port. And in that shot, it's not even connected to it! I don't see it even possible.
 
The Faceless Master said:
because tv's actually output sound, amirite!?!?!?

:lol :lol :lol

i can't believe this thread turned to sh... oh wait, yes i can...

Don't be a twat. Yes, you can plug your system into a stero now if you have a mini-jack to RCA cable, but how in hell does that invalidate my point that some people might actually want to play PSP-only games in a home environment?
 
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