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[Yamaha98]

Quickly for me,

The JP launch in Sept. does not make sense since it was practically shown to 150K attendees, countless online gaming sites/forumites that it's gonna be a Spring launch. Didn't top level ppl say over & over again that it's Spring after many ppl started doubting it. I could only guess that a solid Online portal w/ few hardware revisions (HD included?) could warrant such delay or maybe even manufacturing issues that I doubt this early.

Regardless, JP could easily afford a Sept. launch. The PS3 will sell more in 9hrs than the X360 will in 6 months. I think its the US that Sony will seriously concetrate on by releaseing shortly after but who knows really.

Anyways;

1+ for Sony Online H.U.B

 

[Joeholley]

Sony may offer all the features of LIVE, but the features will mean nothing if the lag is horrible. Hopefully, Sony is investing in servers like MS has.

I still think this is very good news. However, I doubt I will subscribe to two gaming services.

No problem, plenty of empty EQ2 servers they can use :lol

 

[Beer Monkey]

The JP launch in Sept. does not make sense since it was practically shown to 150K attendees, countless online gaming sites/forumites that it's gonna be a Spring launch. Didn't top level ppl say over & over again that it's Spring after many ppl started doubting it. I could only guess that a solid Online portal w/ few hardware revisions (HD included?) could warrant such delay or maybe even manufacturing issues that I doubt this early.

Are the copy protection and HDMI interconnect standards finalized?

 

[bumpkin]

Okay, first of all, the source is Next Gen. Second, when have we seen a true worldwide simultaneous release? And third, well, I just refuse to believe this news.

 

[LAMBO]

I'm hoping Sony will be crazy enough to you use a pc hardrive on your network for saves. I hoping the online free, it should be. All they need is something like All Seeing Eye and a good irc and voice chat program. They should be able to make tons of money through downloads and advertising.

 

[tegdf]

its 2pm over in Taiwan, where's some info!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Speevy]

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That reminds me of the IGN GCN General Board.

"Someone's talking in Japan. New game announcements? Dragon Quest 8 GCN exclusive? What's going on?!!"

 

[Beer Monkey]

Are the copy protection and HDMI interconnect standards finalized?

Seriously, I'm asking a real question here that I don't have the answer to. I'm a home theater guy who has had a 53" HDTV for five years and am looking to probably buy an SXRD set this year (once they have 1080p inputs worked out), but I don't follow all this stuff closely, as the minutiae often doesn't affect my decisions. I'm an early adopter for most technologies but I don't worry about such things until a few months after such technologies hit the market; not before they do.

Are all of the copy protection standards for Blu-Ray movies, including Advanced Access Content System, and how formats like TrueHD and DTS HD work over HDMI 1.3, finalized and cast in stone? I don't know the answer but I'd love to hear it. These issues will affect when all players, including PS3, hit the market.

Then of course there's the whole matter of game software availability, plus software/firmware/APIs for things like online play and so on.

And third, well, I just refuse to believe this news.

 

[Rhindle]

Seriously, I'm answering a real question here that I don't have the answer to. I'm a home theater guy who has had a 53" HDTV for five years and am looking to probably buy an SXRD set this year (once they have 1080p inputs worked out), but I don't follow all this stuff closely, as the minutiae often doesn't affect my decisions. I'm an early adopter for most technologies but I don't worry about such things until a few months after such technologies hit the market; not before they do.

Are all of the copy protection standards for Blu-Ray movies, including Advanced Access Content System, and how formats like TrueHD and DTS HD work over HDMI 1.3, finalized and cast in stone? I don't know the answer but I'd love to hear it. These issues will affect when all players, including PS3, hit the market.

No, they're not finalized. Still lots of haggling going on. Which is one of the many reasons the whole SPRING thing was so laughable.

 

[kaching]

AACS plans to have their ducks in a row within the next few weeks:

http://www.engadget.com/2006/02/15/hd-dvd-and-blu-ray-delayed-by-aacs-anti-copy-standard/

Dunno about HDMI.

 

[psycho_snake]

Can someone explain why a september launch in Japan and NA would be a bad thing?

 

[Beer Monkey]

AACS plans to have their ducks in a row within the next few weeks:

http://www.engadget.com/2006/02/15/hd-dvd-and-blu-ray-delayed-by-aacs-anti-copy-standard/

Dunno about HDMI.

So, based on the history of consumer electronics, when you are sitting in mid-February and standards are getting their ducks in a row 'within the next few weeks', do we usually see compliant physical products on the shelves by June 21? Do we ever? Do you realize that ''the next few weeks' could be April or later?

Can someone explain why a september launch in Japan and NA would be a bad thing?

It would be a bad thing for Sonybots who view all Sony word as absolute religion. It might even shake their foundations.

 

[psycho_snake]

Im so happy that PS3 will come out in September. That is a month befroe my Birthday, so I definately know what Im going to be getting for my Bday

 

[Rhindle]

Im so happy that PS3 will come out in September. That is a month befroe my Birthday, so I definately know what Im going to be getting for my Bday

Don't get your heart too set on September. That's still a long shot.

 

[Speevy]

Would a 2007 release date upset anyone? That has to be a possibility for some place in the world.

 

[psycho_snake]

Don't get your heart too set on September. That's still a long shot.

You're right, I shouldnt get too exited. I'm findingi it a bit diffuclt to believe that PS3 will be released at the same time in both Japan and NA.

 

[psycho_snake]

Would a 2007 release date upset anyone? That has to be a possibility for some place in the world.

Id prefer too see it as soon as possible. A 2007 lauch would annoy me, but i woudnt midn too much if Rev will be released this year.

 

[Niko]

So is anyone going to call out Sony if/when the PS3 doesn't show up in the spring, or is everyone all so jaded that not a single person cares?

 

[kaching]

So, based on the history of consumer electronics, when you are sitting in mid-February and standards are getting their ducks in a row 'within the next few weeks', do we usually see compliant physical products on the shelves by June 21? Do we ever? Do you realize that ''the next few weeks' could be April or later?

Reading through the linked stories, it appears to be one thing that needs to be finalized for Blu-Ray. And yes, once a tech standard has been ratified, we do see compliant products on store shelves within weeks or even sooner sometimes because manufacturers are not waiting for ratification of the entire standard to begin to build to what's already approved and for any items still being deliberated there are generally a couple of implementations on the table that manufacturers can prepare for. The process is not strictly serial in most cases, esp. in a case like this where you have multiple manufacturers very keen to release their products in the next few months, not just the PS3.

I'd venture a guess as to why you, Rhindle and a few others around here always bristle at the mere mention of the possibility that the PS3 might show up on store shelves somewhere in the world before the end of spring, but I'll let you answer that for yourselves. Regardless, you guys really are protesting too much over idle speculation in this downtime while we wait for official news.

 

[gofreak]

So, based on the history of consumer electronics, when you are sitting in mid-February and standards are getting their ducks in a row 'within the next few weeks', do we usually see compliant physical products on the shelves by June 21? Do we ever? Do you realize that ''the next few weeks' could be April or later?

If we're referring to AACS, the next attempt at finalisation will be next week, and some article quoted a Blu-ray manufacturer as saying that it'd take 2-3 weeks after that to subsequently get hardware out. All they need now are codes and stuff.

I don't think it's coincidence that such a timeline would delay HD-DVD but not Blu-ray, which has been slated for April I think originally.

As for the next HDMI spec, it's to be finalised in the first half of the year, which is a pretty broad window. But I think regarding it, Kutaragi said they'd incorporate it if possible..it didn't sound like he'd delay the machine for it.

As for the significance of delay in Japan till Sept - it'd be a delay, whoop-de-doo. I don't mean to trivialise it - I know it'd suck for our Japanese friends - but I think it's fair to say that US and Euro GAFFERs would not have been expecting it till much later in the year. Launching in Sept in the US would probably be earlier than most expected, it's earlier than I'd expect anyway.

 

[mrklaw]

Don't get your heart too set on September. That's still a long shot.

what do people think the limiting factor is - hardware or software?

If they don't think the software will be ready for spring, then Sony could still start stockpiling hardware ready, so it has enough for a simultaneous JPN/US launch.

 

[Danj]

Would a 2007 release date upset anyone? That has to be a possibility for Europe.

Fixed :lol

Anyone who does not expect a 2007 launch for PS3 in Europe is living in cloud cuckoo land.

 

[phonte]

Would a 2007 release date upset anyone? That has to be a possibility for some place in the world.

nope -- definitely not.

i think the ps3 SHOULD release in 2007, quite honestly. i don't see the 360 picking up any serious momentum, and sony would be giving developers even more time to wrap their hands around the devtools.

i'd LOVE IT if sony pushed the release to 2007.

still, i doubt they will.

 

[Agent Icebeezy]

i don't see the 360 picking up any serious momentum,

:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol

I've had my big laugh for the day.

 

[Prine]

Especially with Fight Night, GRAW and Oblivion around the corner. 3 potential Killer apps (2 guaranteed at least)

 

[Ceb]

Especially with Fight Night, GRAW and Oblivion around the corner. 3 potential Killer apps (2 guaranteed at least)

You really think so? Two of them are multi-platform games, and while they look better on the X360, most people will settle for buying them for their current-gen consoles rather than plonking down hundreds of dollars just to get them in hi-def. Oblivion is probably going to do really well though.

 

[phonte]

:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol

I've had my big laugh for the day.

well, i'm more than willing to offer such fodder, but that really wasn't the intended response.



i'm serious. let's look at it.

if sony is able to market the ps3 successfully, doling out nominal bits of information on an intermittent basis, up until 2007, they will have convinced a HUGE segment of the gaming population to hold off from jumping aboard the "next-gen" train until the ps3 ships.

with the ps2 leaving many content for the moment, i don't see why sony has to rush the system.

i could be wrong, and the 360 may burn up the charts, but i just don't see it. i think the 360 will probably sell on par with the xbox.

if sony pushes the launch to 2007, developers will be afforded an opportunity to craft an amazing launch lineup, one that truly justifies the 'next-gen' label. i don't think sony feels threatened, at this point -- and i don't blame them.

 

[<nu>faust]

phonte no offense but expecting every gamer on the market to have the brand loyalty that you have is little bit absurd,let's not forget that the hardcore gaming community's tastes and choices usually do not reflect general trends in the industry.(heck even gaming press' choices are not reflecting the sales just look at 50 cent game and psychonauts as an example) if you really thinking that there avarage american/european shopper during holidays will wait and say "hmm i should not get a console right now and wait for ps3 cos' mr. kutaragi told me that true next gen will strat with a ps3", while x360s and revs will be sitting on the shelves with great software available (gears of war,new mario, etc) for them you are in denial.

 

[phonte]

phonte no offense but expecting every gamer on the market to have the brand loyalty that you have is little bit absurd,let's not forget that the hardcore gaming community's tastes and choices usually do not reflect general trends in the industry.(heck even gaming press' choices are not reflecting the sales just look at 50 cent game and psychonauts as an example) if you really thinking that there avarage american/european shopper during holidays will wait and say "hmm i should not get a console right now and wait for ps3 cos' mr. kutaragi told me that true next gen will strat with a ps3", while x360s and revs will be sitting on the shelves with great software available (gears of war,new mario, etc) for them you are in denial.

why even mention the rev?

it's in its own niche, needing no comparison to the ps3/360.

most gamers already know that the ps3 is more powerful than the 360, though the degree to which it is remains nebulous.

now, if sony can take that and convince gamers that there's no point in jumping aboard the 360, they will have absolutely no reason to rush the ps3. it's in their best interest to wring as much out of the ps2 as they can. all sony has to do is keep filtering bits and pieces of information out, teasing gamers with media from the system's launch lineup. they can even throw a huge ps3 event during the holiday season, which would have even greater of an impact on the decision of your average gamer deliberating over whether to pick up an xbox 360 now or wait for the ps3.

spring 2007 isn't THAT far away, man. look at how fast time flies. it's not as if people are going to start suiciding over sony waiting until next year to launch.

BTW, i don't have any "brand loyalty." i just think it's common sense.

 

[D3VI0US]

phonte you is dumb.

 

[phonte]

phonte you is dumb.

look, i want to see the ps3 as much as you do.

i just don't think sony feels the urgency to get it out now.

 

[fortified_concept]

why even mention the rev?

it's in its own niche, needing no comparison to the ps3/360.

most gamers already know that the ps3 is more powerful than the 360, though the degree to which it is remains nebulous.

now, if sony can take that and convince gamers that there's no point in jumping aboard the 360, they will have absolutely no reason to rush the ps3. it's in their best interest to wring as much out of the ps2 as they can. all sony has to do is keep filtering bits and pieces of information out, teasing gamers with media from the system's launch lineup. they can even throw a huge ps3 event during the holiday season, which would have even greater of an impact on the decision of your average gamer deliberating over whether to pick up an xbox 360 now or wait for the ps3.

spring 2007 isn't THAT far away, man. look at how fast time flies. it's not as if people are going to start suiciding over sony waiting until next year to launch.

BTW, i don't have any "brand loyalty." i just think it's common sense.

Sony is marketwise at #1 because it never underestimated anyone. Neither should you. Revolution might have a huge success in Japan which will force Jap developers to develop more for Revolution which will affect other regions too.

 

[phonte]

Sony is marketwise at #1 because it never underestimated anyone. Neither should you. Revolution might have a huge success in Japan which will force Jap developers to develop more for Revolution which will affect other regions too.

no, i definitely think the rev is poised to bring nintendo "success" (they've been prosperous, but have lost a lot of mindshare) that has eluded them the past two generations.

i do, however, view the rev as a niche entry, meaning it won't sate the gaming needs of the general gaming community; it's a secondary console.

 

[Beer Monkey]

As for the next HDMI spec, it's to be finalised in the first half of the year, which is a pretty broad window. But I think regarding it, Kutaragi said they'd incorporate it if possible..it didn't sound like he'd delay the machine for it.

If PS3 ends up being incapable of playing DTS-HD and Dolby TrueHD, the new lossless high-resolution audio codecs, then it's a pretty shitty Blu-Ray player. These HDMI specs need to be finalized and implemented in order to allow this.

 

[gofreak]

If PS3 ends up being incapable of playing DTS-HD and Dolby TrueHD, the new lossless high-resolution audio codecs, then it's a pretty shitty Blu-Ray player. These HDMI specs need to be finalized and implemented in order to allow this.

If that is the case, it'd at least be no more "shitty" than any player preceding it or hitting the market at the same time as it.

 

[Beer Monkey]

If that is the case, it'd at least be no more "shitty" than any player preceding it or hitting the market at the same time as it.

If the HDMI specs aren't finalized, there won't be any stand-alone players on the market at the same time. No CE manufacturer is dumb enough to ship one without high-resolution audio. Nobody is in a hurry to ship half-baked players.

if sony is able to market the ps3 successfully, doling out nominal bits of information on an intermittent basis, up until 2007, they will have convinced a HUGE segment of the gaming population to hold off from jumping aboard the "next-gen" train until the ps3 ships.

A 'huge segment' of the gaming population doesn't buy new systems until they are $199 regardless, so the whole first year and a half or so is all still 'wait and see' time. Those who wait won't necessarily buy the PS3. Many of them may buy the system that hits $199 first, especially when it runs staples like Madden/ESPN.

 

[D3VI0US]

why even mention the rev? it's in its own niche, needing no comparison to the ps3/360.

No, it's not, it my target a different market but my wallet says it's in direct competition with 360 and PS2.

most gamers already know that the ps3 is more powerful than the 360, though the degree to which it is remains nebulous.

Most gamers don't know shit cause they haven't seen shit, I'm still waiting on actual gameplay footage, price, launch date, and lineup. Casual gamers even less so and they're going to walk into stores and see Madden running on PS3 and 360.

now, if sony can take that and convince gamers that there's no point in jumping aboard the 360, they will have absolutely no reason to rush the ps3. it's in their best interest to wring as much out of the ps2 as they can. all sony has to do is keep filtering bits and pieces of information out, teasing gamers with media from the system's launch lineup. they can even throw a huge ps3 event during the holiday season, which would have even greater of an impact on the decision of your average gamer deliberating over whether to pick up an xbox 360 now or wait for the ps3.

It's like I shouldn't even bother with this one but everyone isn't as informed as you fellow gaming dork, they don't give a shit about the Taipei Game Show or Playstation HUB, ignorance is bliss.

spring 2007 isn't THAT far away, man. look at how fast time flies. it's not as if people are going to start suiciding over sony waiting until next year to launch.

Spring 2007 is handing 360 market leadership by giving them two uncontested holidays Worldwide and pissing off devs and pubs and partners who believed they would make 2006. I mean even HD-DVD might have a chance if they waited but that might be a stretch. Sony has a lot riding on PS3 and MS bumbling has afforded them some time but Fall 06 or bust.

BTW, i don't have any "brand loyalty." i just think it's common sense.

You clearly have brand loyalty to Sony and no common sense.

I'm no industry expert, but even I'm not that dense about Sony's market position.

 

[gofreak]

If the HDMI specs aren't finalized, there won't be any stand-alone players on the market at the same time. No CE manufacturer is dumb enough to ship one without high-resolution audio. Nobody is in a hurry to ship half-baked players.

We're talking next-gen HDMI spec. There are current specs already finalised that manufacturers can (and will) use. Kutaragi was talking about possibly including the next standard in PS3 if it arrives on time.

Can current HDMI carry the audio you were talking about previously?

 

[kaching]

If the HDMI specs aren't finalized, there won't be any stand-alone players on the market at the same time. No CE manufacturer is dumb enough to ship one without high-resolution audio. Nobody is in a hurry to ship half-baked players.

HDMI Specs are finalized, we're talking about a point update here, not the first full 1.0 release. If it would be half-baked for manufacturers not to wait for 1.3, why not 1.4? 1.5? ad infinitum.

And HDMI 1.2 will get you high resolution audio, it just won't be passed encoded in either DTS HD or TrueHD. There's more than enough bandwidth in current spec to handle uncompressed 7.1 audio.

Edit: Let's not forget that handling DTS HD and TrueHD streams will require most people to upgrade their AV receivers as well.

 

[Beer Monkey]

And HDMI 1.2 will get you high resolution audio, it just won't be passed encoded in either DTS HD or TrueHD. There's more than enough bandwidth in current spec to handle uncompressed 7.1 audio.

Uncompressed LPCM surround is a big waste of storage space and doesn't carry the name recognition of DTS and Dolby. I wouldn't expect to see many discs authored with it. DTS-HD and TrueHD are a big part of Blu-Ray and HDMI 1.2 doesn't support them. Any player that can't handle them and gives us the same old lossy Dolby Digital 5.1 and DTS that we've had since laserdisc is going to be considered a toy, not a real Blu-Ray player.

Edit: Let's not forget that handling DTS HD and TrueHD streams will require most people to upgrade their AV receivers as well.

Life's a bitch, but that's the way it goes. It's even more ridiculous that studios have the ability to ban high-def video over component.

 

[phonte]

No, it's not, it my target a different market but my wallet says it's in direct competition with 360 and PS2.

rumblings suggest that the price of the rev will come in around $199, which immediately positions it as a relatively cheap accompaniment for either the ps3 or the 360.

Most gamers don't know shit cause they haven't seen shit, I'm still waiting on actual gameplay footage, price, launch date, and lineup. Casual gamers even less so and they're going to walk into stores and see Madden running on PS3 and 360.

i don't think you should be selling casual gamers short. we're no more informed than they are, i would imagine. the internet is ubiquitous, meaning your typical casual gamer sees the same media that we do, the very same comparison shots that we'll inevitable see when sony unleashes the ndas.

It's like I shouldn't even bother with this one but everyone isn't as informed as you fellow gaming dork, they don't give a shit about the Taipei Game Show or Playstation HUB, ignorance is bliss.

well, they may not even KNOW that the taipei show is occuring, but they WILL read about it when they pick up an EGM or OPM, or any other publication that covers the event, detailing the media and offering -- probably positive -- impressions of the games shown.

it's a small word, man. taipei is just a magazine away.

Spring 2007 is handing 360 market leadership by giving them two uncontested holidays Worldwide and pissing off devs and pubs and partners who believed they would make 2006. I mean even HD-DVD might have a chance if they waited but that might be a stretch. Sony has a lot riding on PS3 and MS bumbling has afforded them some time but Fall 06 or bust.

so, they either release in fall 2006 or they're done for good? ok..

sony can ride the ps2 all the way through to spring 2007. there's no question about that, man. why would your average gamer jump aboard the shaky 360 ship when they can cruise upon the ps2, knowing that a significantly more powerful successor is just a spring away? you act as if the millions upon millions of gamers who opted for a ps2 instead of an xbox are just going to suddenly, because sony waits, abandon sony and purchase a 360.

 

[kaching]

Uncompressed LPCM surround is a big waste of storage space and doesn't carry the name recognition of DTS and Dolby.

That's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about the players themselves doing onboard decoding of either TrueHD or DTS HD, which at least Toshiba's first HD-DVD players are confirmed to do.

 

[bishoptl]

Don't get your heart too set on September. That's still a long shot.

You say that as if you know something.

 

[Beer Monkey]

That's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about the players themselves doing onboard decoding of either TrueHD or DTS HD, which at least Toshiba's first HD-DVD players are confirmed to do.

That would be great, but it doesn't seem to be the direction for Blu-Ray. It's pretty screwed up when a $500 Tosh HD-DVD player can pass high-res even via it's multichannel analog outputs, but the $1800 Pioneer Blu-Ray player cannot. A sign of Sony/BMG's interest in heavier copy protection for high-res music? They are pushing Blu-Ray as a music format to replace DVD-A and SACD. I'd definitely like to see Blu-Ray follow HD-DVDs lead and allow internal decoding.

FYI the Tosh can only decode stereo TrueHD internally.

 

[kaching]

That would be great, but it doesn't seem to be the direction for Blu-Ray....

You're straying a bit afield here. The central point of contention has been your claim that the PS3 launched anywhere before the end of Spring was very unlikely because of AACS isn't finalized and the HDMI 1.3 spec isn't ready yet. But it's clear that manufacturers of early Blu-Ray and HD-DVD products aren't waiting on HDMI 1.3 to ship, just AACS. And as far as AACS goes, it appears that there's only one last issue to sort out, which may be done by the end of this month, allowing for plenty of time for BD/HD-DVD devices including the PS3 to implement final spec and get out the door before the end of the spring.

FYI the Tosh can only decode stereo TrueHD internally.

Yes, which probably has a lot to do with the fact that the HD-DVD spec only makes 2 channel TrueHD mandatory. 2+ channel TrueHD is optional as is *any* flavor of DTS HD. The only lossless 7.1 channel audio format that seems to be mandatory is LPCM.

 

[Zer0]

Sony may offer all the features of LIVE, but the features will mean nothing if the lag is horrible. Hopefully, Sony is investing in servers like MS has.

.

what servers?

 

[Speevy]

sony can ride the ps2 all the way through to spring 2007. there's no question about that, man. why would your average gamer jump aboard the shaky 360 ship when they can cruise upon the ps2, knowing that a significantly more powerful successor is just a spring away? you act as if the millions upon millions of gamers who opted for a ps2 instead of an xbox are just going to suddenly, because sony waits, abandon sony and purchase a 360.

Shaky 360 ship? The Xbox has one of the largest libraries in gaming history. Microsoft has third party support, a standard-setting online service, and a very powerful console (which you seem intent on demeaning).

There's nothing "shaky" about owning an Xbox.

 

[Beer Monkey]

You're straying a bit afield here. The central point of contention has been your claim that the PS3 launched anywhere before the end of Spring was very unlikely because of AACS isn't finalized and the HDMI 1.3 spec isn't ready yet.

My central contention was that this may be a factor.

But it's clear that manufacturers of early Blu-Ray and HD-DVD products aren't waiting on HDMI 1.3 to ship, just AACS.

Which Blu-Ray, not HD-DVD, players have been explicitly announced as shipping without HDMI 1.3 compliance?

Yes, which probably has a lot to do with the fact that the HD-DVD spec only makes 2 channel TrueHD mandatory.

I'm hearing that it is simply because of a limitation of the audio chipset of these two early players.

2+ channel TrueHD is optional as is *any* flavor of DTS HD.

Optional on the disc, not in the player., but I'm sure that's what you mean. Of course what the player does with it to get it to a point that you can hear it...

 

[phonte]

Shaky 360 ship? The Xbox has one of the largest libraries in gaming history. Microsoft has third party support, a standard-setting online service, and a very powerful console (which you seem intent on demeaning).

There's nothing "shaky" about owning an Xbox.

well, there's no denying that the launch was bungled, hence my "shaky ship" comment.

right now, i think sony has the momentum, which is going to be difficult for microsoft to overcome:

they have a system that has sold an unprecedented amount, still outpacing every console -- old and new (360); third party support that's shown no signs of diminishing, even for the antiquated ps2; and the hype that will undoubtedly precede the ps3's release.

i mean, if you were sony, would you feel it incumbent upon you to release the ps3 this year? why? there is absolutely no rush, in my mind.

 

[Speevy]

i mean, if you were sony, would you feel it incumbent upon you to release the ps3 this year? why? there is absolutely no rush, in my mind.

If the Xbox 360 were the Nintendo 64, I would agree.

However, if Sony doesn't release the PS3, that means the Xbox 360 library (and userbase) grows quite large before the PS3 even releases. Again, MS has support.