Gravy Boat
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So you'd be happy with this?
What about the retail gAmes we've already got.
Do you see how pointless it is using indie and retail as genres?
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So you'd be happy with this?
What about the retail gAmes we've already got.
Do you see how pointless it is using indie and retail as genres?
Petrae
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Sony set the expectation that upset subscribers have, by having offered retail/AAA games in the past. I'm not sure why the "entitlement" card gets played here. If Sony hadn't released AAA titles before on the service, then expectations would be a lot different.
But of course, "entitlement" the quick and easy way to shoot down complaints. We should be lucky that we get anything at all, right? Shut up and take it-- that's what we should do.
MMaRsu
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You picked * I will stay a subscriber but bitch every month *
Sony should do this, Sony should do that..
Yeah there are some indies haters but let's not pretend that every person complaining about PS+ is one of them.
PS+ started with high quality rather new AAA and indie games, its value was incredible, now it's just indie games and even some old crap, its value is definitively way lower, still a lot more than the price it asks but that's not a good reason to pretend that nothing changed.
PS+ started with high quality rather new AAA and indie games, its value was incredible, now it's just indie games and even some old crap, its value is definitively way lower, still a lot more than the price it asks but that's not a good reason to pretend that nothing changed.
Call it whatever the hell you want. I WANT to play games online with my friends. I shouldn't have to pay for that just like I don't have to pay to be a part of steam. Sony didn't charge last generation and they shouldn't this generation.
I willingly paid for plus on the ps3 after they restructured in 2012 or whenever it was. I would not willingly pay for the mediocre titles they are rolling out. I will continue to pay to play PlayStation games online but let's not pretend they're using that money to improve their service.
drotahorror
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I'll do something similar as other poster did. I will do a 0-5 rating. 0 - didn't play at all. 1- played little didn't care for it. 2- played a little more didn't care for it. 3- played a bit, might play more. 4 - played a lot/beat it . 5 - Great game.
*A bit convoluted w/e though.
*A bit convoluted w/e though.
- Nov 13 Contrast - 1/5
- Nov 13 Resogun - 5/5 - One of the best games on PS4. Top 3 material to me.
- Jan 14 Dont Starve: Console Edition - 1/5
- Feb 14 Outlast - 4/5 - didn't play much on ps4, beat it on PC, liked it a lot.
- Mar 14 Dead Nation: Apocalypse Edition - 3/5 own on PS3 but still played it a bit on ps4.
- Apr 14 Mercenary Kings - 1/5
- May 14 Stick it to the Man! - 1/5
- Jun 14 Trine 2: Complete Story - 4/5 - Beat it on PC and PS4
- Jun 14 PixelJunk Shooter Ultimate - 0/5
- Jul 14 Towerfall Ascention - 1/5
- Jul 14 Strider - 3/5
- Jul 14 Doki-Doki Universe - 0/5
- Aug 14 Road Not Taken - 1/5
- Aug 14 Fez - 3/5 - owned on 360 played more on that version
- Sep 14 Sportsfriends - 0/5
- Sep 14 Velocity 2X - 3/5
- Oct 14 Dust: An Elysian Tale - 3/5
- Oct 14 Spelunky - 2/5
- Oct 14 Pix the Cat - 1/5
- Nov 14 The Binding of Isaac Rebirth - 4/5
- Nov 14 SteamWorld Dig: A Fistful of Dirt - 2/5
- Dec 14 Secret Ponchos - 2/5
- Dec 14 Injustice: Gods Among Us - 2/5
- Dec 14 Titan Attacks! - 0/5
- Jan 15 Infamous: First Light - 2/5
- Jan 15 The Swapper - 3/5 - played more on PC
- Feb 15 Apotheon - 2/5
- Feb 15 Transistor - 3/5
- Feb 15 Rogue Legacy - 4/5 - beat on PC and ps4, plat'd it.
- Mar 15 Oddworld: New 'n' Tasty - 1/5 - too janky, framerate was garbage unplayable.
- Mar 15 Valiant Hearts: The Great War - 1/5
- Mar 15 Counterspy - 4/5 - not a great game but I did finish it.
- Mar 15 OlliOlli2: Welcome to Olliwood - 3/5
- Apr 15 Never Alone - 2/5
- Apr 15 Aaru's Awakening - 1/5
- Apr 15 Tower of Guns - 2/5
- May 15 Ether One - 1/5
- May 15 Guacamelee! Super Turbo Championship Edition - 4/5 - bought it before +
- May 15 Hohokum - 1/5
- May 15 The Unfinished Swan - 2/5
- May 15 Race the Sun - 3/5
- Jun 15 Skulls of the Shogun: Bone-a-fide Edition - 1/5
- Jun 15 Metal Gear Solid V: Ground Zeroes - 4/5
- Jun 15 Super Exploding Zoo - 0/5
- Jun 15 Futuridium EP Deluxe - 2/5
- Jul 15 Rocket League - 4/5 - plat'd it.
- Jul 15 Styx: Master of Shadows - 3/5
- Jul 15 Mousecraft - 0/5
- Jul 15 Entwined - 0/5
- Aug 15 Limbo - 3/5
- Aug 15 Lara Croft and the Temple of Osiris - 4/5 - bought it, beat it.
- Aug 15 Stealth Inc. 2: A Game of Clones - 2/5
- Aug 15 Sound Shapes - 2/5
- Sep 15 Grow Home - 3/5
- Sep 15 Super Time Force Ultra 3/5
- Sep 15 Teslagrad - 0/5
- Sep 15 Xeodrifter - 2/5
- Oct 15 Unmechanical: Extended Edition - 0/5
- Oct 15 Super Meat Boy - 3/5
- Oct 15 Broken Age - 0/5
- Nov 15 Magicka 2 - 0/5
- Nov 15 The Walking Dead Season 2 - 0/5
- Nov 15 Dragon Fin Soup - 1/5
- Dec 15 Gauntlet: Slayer Edition - 4/5 - bought it, played quite a bit.
- Dec 15 King's Quest Chapter 1 - 3/5
- Jan 16 Hardware: Rivals - 2/5
- Jan 16 Grim Fandango Remastered - 0/5
- Feb 16 Nom Nom Galaxy - 0/5
- Feb 16 Helldivers: Democracy Strikes Back Edition - 2/5 - bought it
- Feb 16 Nova 111 - 0/5
- Mar 16 Broforce - 3/5 - have on PC intend to play more on ps4 w/friends
- Mar 16 GALAK-Z - 3/5 - bought
- Mar 16 Flame Over - not available in NA? I want it though.
MMaRsu
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Lol no they didnt. Two years in now, and you only get it now? Please gtfo.
You set those expectations that retail games will come to ps+ all the time. Its not needed for Sony. Theyd rather people.buy Knack for 10$ than give it away.
You created expectations in your head that since Sony started giving out retail titles 5/6 years into the PS3 they would start on PS4 in year one or two?
This topic is the VERY DEFINITION of entitlement. Its some sad shit. Cancel if you dont value your sub. Thats as simple as it is.
Fbh
Member
So you'd be happy with this?
Do you see how pointless it is using indie and retail as genres?
It says right there on the boxart that it's incredible
MMaRsu
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So your point is?
You want better games, if they dint you will keep bitching about the titles on hand
I doubt you even play them
Entitled as fuck
From OP:
From my list:
It seems average value of games, or even sum value of games in a given month has nothing to do with how much people like them. I acknowledge that an older, but AAA, retail game may be valued the same as a new to PSN indie game that could be super cheap on Steam, so "value" may be skewed, but still.
Value at the time given is far less important to me than quality of the game. I'd rather have oldies like The Order or Knack or Killzone which are all less than $20 today than say Gauntlet or Hardware: Rivals which, while decent, don't hold a candle to things like Rocket League or Helldivers, other recent $20 giveaways for PS4.
From my list:
It seems average value of games, or even sum value of games in a given month has nothing to do with how much people like them. I acknowledge that an older, but AAA, retail game may be valued the same as a new to PSN indie game that could be super cheap on Steam, so "value" may be skewed, but still.
Value at the time given is far less important to me than quality of the game. I'd rather have oldies like The Order or Knack or Killzone which are all less than $20 today than say Gauntlet or Hardware: Rivals which, while decent, don't hold a candle to things like Rocket League or Helldivers, other recent $20 giveaways for PS4.
Doubt I even play them? You're a moron lol, again your the minority big time here.
Want to see my demon souls plat? How bout the BioShock infinite one? Sleeping dogs? Dragons dogma trophies? How bout some real games on vita? No? I played the ps3 and vita games almost every month. Each month was a pleasant surprise.
When it was announced plus was required for online I was disappointed for some, but at the same time I figured most would see the value given the quality of titles released. The quality is gone, and all that'd left is paying for a mediocre online gaming service.
ThoughtsOfSpeaking
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Sorry mate, I have played nearly every PS+ game as soon as they have come available.
I will give you olli olli 2 and of course Rocket league
I didnt like
Oddworld
Styx
Grimfandango
Valient hearts
Mousecraft
Super meat boy
I already own galak-z and soundshapes.
I forgot to download ground zeros.
and yes short of olli olli and rocket league, I would take NFS easily. Still the closet we will get to a burnout 5 and the most fun racer this gen, fuck what you heard. Also, I think I enjoy knack than most of the above games too.
MMaRsu
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Im talking about ps4 games, that Ive doubt you played beyond a minute.
Also, thanks for calling me a moron. Ass.
Again with calling games others prefer rubbish, you are as bad as those that call indies trash. Look at igc when people were praising it, it usually had 1 aaa game and some indies each month. Now its all indies. That is what people are complaining about. It was understandable when ps4 launched, but now there are a lot of old aaa games.
You started the aggression , I suggest you just leave the thread.
MMaRsu
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Well boohoo I dont like quality games if they dont look like ps4 games!!!
Did you buy a ps4 to get ps4 games off IGC? or did you plan on ever BUYING some.
You people are whiny ingrateful 'gamers'.
InsaneTiger
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MMaRsu
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I didnt start any agression, and Im going to suggest you stop bitching and come with decent arguments why in your opinion these games on offer are shit???
Besides the graphics
Settle down. Take a deep breath, it's not that serious.
If people bring up retail sale prices for aaa games what is wrong with bringing up steam sale prices for indies?
Do you work for Sony by any chance?
MMaRsu
Member
So buy them, they have been dirt cheap.
I am a bad poster for saying the games ( indies isnt a fucking genre is it ) that people work hard on arent shit just because they arent published by a big powerhouse?
No people with this opinion that "indie" games are shit, have a shit opinion.
If you have time, might be worth doing the trendline for game quality each month (aka aggregate MC score).
MMaRsu
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No I do not. I am very happy with the GREAT TITLES that Sony has offered on PS+. Minus a mousecraft and contrast.
Okay... saying people's opinions are "shit" because they don't agree with you, makes you look like an ass.
There's a couple issues with MC scores. For some games they are from other versions (say PC for an older indie that was given on Plus on PSN launch).
What would be more interesting to me is to factor out all but PS4 playable games and see if that is more accurate. I think the current factoring in of values for Vita games, and to a certain extent PS3, skews the graph as most people today are focused on PS4 offerings.
Edit: It's easier than I thought, filter out things in the main list columns and the charts auto-update. If I leave PS4 playable games only (even if cross-buy to others), the lines are surprisingly even and without huge jumps since launch. Total value of PS4 playable was up since the second half of 14 and peaked in mid 15, and it's now back down. If you leave PS3 playable only, the value is up in this area to counteract the decrease in value for PS4 games. So really the recent displeasure seems to be with a focus reverting to PS3 games (retail or otherwise) and away from PS4 games, which makes sense as the PS4 is now probably the primary console for many if not most + users.
Pretty much. This is no indication of what people who actually played the games feel about the games. It's just how they feel about the announcement of the games.
Ninja Scooter
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People are being negative on YouTube? Well I'm convinced.
I agree with you. Even if those 32bit / whatever bit / indie games are great critically acclaimed games, I don't want to play them every month. Mix it up with other stuff.
ThoughtsOfSpeaking
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That what pisses me off. No, I dont fucking like pixel art. It looks like shit. It looks shit back then and it looks shit right now. Its especially annoying when indies that look like they have had a bit of effort put into them ( like AAC) lose on vote play to shite like broforce.
MMaRsu
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Nope thats not what I said try again mr troll.
Ingrateful? Really? Are you saying we should be grateful now that we get anything at all from this service we pay for?
If people don't like the games or have no interest in them then they have little to no value to them. People are going to expect to get games they are interested in when they are paying money for PS+. If it was free you could throw around the tired "entitled" argument but it's not.
Try reading your own post.
Ninja Scooter
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I must have missed the snes games that looked like galak z.
Petrae
Member
And you're a masterful corporate shill. Congrats. I hope the pay is good. Oh, wait...
We should, as consumers, apparently be "grateful" for what we pay for. This attitude is fucking amazing. It'd be one thing if you're willing to deflect bullets as a Sony employee. It's another be a consumer telling other consumers to be grateful... to not have expectations.
But, hey. I've taken your sage advice. I'm done with PS+. I won't have a reason to be a whiny ingrate any longer.
toythatkills
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PS+ hasn't been great for a while, but that's because they've been offering bad indie games, not because they've been offering indie games.
It's a fairly major difference.
It's a fairly major difference.
MMaRsu
Member
People with this opinion that "indie" games are shit, have a shit opinion.
I stand by this opinion because "INDIE" games arent a damn genre. And its annoying as hell to see people itt saying all these indie games are bad cuz if I wanted to play on a snes id play on a snes ( basically what you are saying ).
Indie games arent a genre.
Not all games that come from indie developers are shit.
Do you think Witcher 3 is also shit? Thats also made by an indie dev.
ThoughtsOfSpeaking
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Lets clarify for your obvious delicate sensibilties. The majority of indie titles, not matter the genre do not look or play like something a vocal subset of PS+ subscribers want. This thread is showing some of the available data that proves that.
Thats not to sat there are not desirable indies, but even the desiravle indies should be mixed up with older retail titles for a service that is approaching 2.5 years old on PS4.
Happy now?
People don't seem to get it. I enjoy good indies just not the crap we've been getting lately. These indie white knights are extremely annoying.
Pretty much. Outlast was fantastic for example.
MMaRsu
Member
Exactly. This bullshit is annoying as hell.
Im no corporate shill jezus, I am just for not shitting on developers who put in time to make a good and fun game.
Sadly some of you wont even play it, either because of the graphics or because its not a 60 dollar title.
That is fucking annoying and pissing me off. And for clowns to come in here and call me a corporate shill is beyond all logic.
But hey, if you arent grateful for the titles youve gotten, PLEASE unsub and stop complaining every goddamn month.
uhh you didn't start aggression despite coming in here with a smug attitude that you "get it" and we don't? Calling us entitled "bitchers"? Yeah totally not aggressive at all.
I've played the games beyond a minute. I've played outlast... it was a fun little tossaway game that got old after the initial scare wore off and was ridiculously short. I played mercenary kings- what a disaster. I played styx, what a disaster. I played hardware- what a disaster. I played almost every game that's come out and left disappointed for one reason or another. Grow Home is a grossly overrated game that is ridiculously short, and it's clear why it doesn't have the mass appeal of other games.
There have been games I've liked sure- Rocket League is GOAT, but I'd rather not have to pay a subscription of what is essentially one of those "mystery box" services that send out monthly. I would rather go back to the free online and enjoy that.
If they require a sub to play online, then they should straight up improve the service, which they clearly haven't improved it. I played RFOM online for hundreds of hours and the service was fantastic. It was young, it wasn't as unified (again more of a console restraint), but it worked. So did UC2, and warhawk, and more. If I had a choice I would NOT pay for this service, but instead sony tried to pretend the price increase was to support improving the network and so on and so forth. It's a load of shit. They know the console is popular, and they know people will pay no matter what.
MMaRsu
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What indie crap? Metacritic titles are above 80?? WHAT CRAP "frosta"?????????????
Also didnt come in here with a smug attitude but an annoyed attitude. For all the bitching on good ans wholesome titles.
Just cause YOU personally dont like it DOESNT MAKE IT A BAD GAME.
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