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Lack of anything Nickelback in this thread is straight shocking.

My answer though, is not so much that my favorite band jumped the shark, but rather almost did.

SEVENDUST is my all time favorite band, but they almost blew it with the:

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Chapter VII: Hope and Sorrow

This album almost made me hate the band.
 
Beck is one of the most talented and versatile musicians I've ever heard, but I need to see something better than his most recent album, Modern Guilt. It's like his one truly bad album (maybe 2-3 great tracks on it).
 
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The Future Sound of London - The Isness

Having created the time-bending milestone of Dead Cities I can't fault these guys for going off the deep end and producing some completely wank-ass shit (where can you go but down once you've hit the apex?), but holy crap this and everything after it has been GARBAAJ.

Actually this album owns.
 
Conciliator said:
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The Mars Volta's second album. These guys could be the best active rock band in the world if they wanted to be. If they would let go of their attachment to both the pretentious mythos and structural experimentalism of the worst of 70's prog rock, they would be unstoppable.[/QUOTE]

Whoa now, this album is actually a damn good balance of TMV's elements. I think they jumped the shark midway through recording Amputechture. There the excesses were never balanced by well... anything and they've carried on that path since then.
 
QualityPixel said:
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Boy was I disappointed by this album when I bought it before I had heard a single track on it. So much noise that it is hard to listen to!

this album is a true piece of shit. there honestly isn't one song i like on it. baffling release from APC considering their first 2 albums were both pretty good.
 
I don't agree with 90% of posts in this thread but this:

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I'm not sure if anybody of you listened to this band. Two awesome and totally different albums, years of silence and then this... soulless piece of record.
 
It's not so much that Metallica jumped the shark, it's that they flew right into it's mouth and were ripped apart in a nightmarish fashion
 
djsandman said:
If there was a song on St Anger that was worth listening to (protip: there isn't) I still wouldn't listen to it because of how shitty the production quality was. No, it wasn't edgy, it wasn't cool, it wasn't metal. It. Was. Shit. And I'm not normally that guy who really cares if something has slick production values or not. I just can't explain it. How does the world's most popular (and probably richest) metal band put out something that sounds so cheap? And not one goddamn solo on the entire album. Fuck you Metallica, fuck you.
 
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Their self-titled debut was one of my favorite albums ever. Perfect from song to song.

Then one day, Serj decided to let Daron start singing.

Worst idea ever.


Incidentally, Steal This Album! was fantastic.
 
DeSo said:
Love that album to bits but can understand the hate.


I feel the same way. I usually try to defend most albums I like but Frances The Mute is understandably not for everyone. Not in the way music snobs say it but in the way people are into different sexual fetishes. Frances The Mute is the musical equivalent of a foot fetish, "you're not into feet? That's cool bro, excuse me while I..."

I listened to it twice in the past two days, my favorite MV album.
 
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A lot of people would probably disagree and say that "sing the sorrow" was a terrible album, but I like it.

"Crash Love" put the nail in the coffin for A.F.I...
 
cj_iwakura said:

is that the album they made the first time they got together in a garage to practice as a band and handed the microphone to that fucking jackass with the voice so annoying he should be banned from ever using his vocal cords again who sings for them? because if so then you're correct.
 
diddles said:
is that the album they made the first time they got together in a garage to practice as a band and handed the microphone to that fucking jackass with the voice so annoying he should be banned from ever using his vocal cords again who sings for them? because if so then you're correct.

That would be Daron Malakian, so, yes.

I believe after Serj went solo, he went off and started his own band.


I'd rather listen to Serj solo, any day of the week.



And I enjoyed December Underground.


Crash Love was easily the end of AFI.
 
FrenchMovieTheme said:
this album is a true piece of shit. there honestly isn't one song i like on it. baffling release from APC considering their first 2 albums were both pretty good.

From what I understand, they threw that album together just so that they could be released from their record contract. I don't even count it as a true APC album, just trash.
 
Metallica may have jumped the shark with St. Anger but they unjumped with Death Magnetic. Seriously it's amazing how a band which had produced nothing but shit for 15 years had such a triumphant return to making amazing music and returning to their roots with Death Magnetic and Rick Rubin. Can't wait for the follow up.
 
Chavelo said:
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Yep, 2nd "album"

Reanimation is my favourite LP album, come at me bros.

Also I'm surprised at the dislike for Morning View, that was always my favourite Incubus album, and my friend who is a huge Incubus fan shared the same sentiments, I think.
 
TheMan said:
From what I understand, they threw that album together just so that they could be released from their record contract. I don't even count it as a true APC album, just trash.

Shame. I miss APC, but they never did top Mer de Noms. What an amazing album.


And count me in as a Morning View fan. Not a jumping the shark, just a shift in tone, and a good one.
 
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Blaze Bayley was the shark-jumpingest replacement of an iconic figure ever. Brave New World and onward were a huge improvement, but they never quite returned to their former glory.
 
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Entombed - Wolverine Blues
From creating the best death metal album ever to a good death metal album to this mediocre death n' roll album. And the stuff that came after it was much much worse.
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SPK - Machine Age Voodoo
One of the best industrial bands ever suddenly releasing this steaming synth-pop turd. The few synth-pop tracks on Auto-Da-Fe weren't that bad but this album is just terrible.
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Skinny Puppy - Greater Wrong of The Right
While their album before this, The Process, wasn't very good. All the albums before it were great. This was their comeback album but it sounded more like the vocalists pop solo records. They should have stayed dead so Cevin could focus on better music IMO.
 
My choice that hasn't been mentioned so far:
Red Hot Chili Peppers - Californication
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Most of this, and everything after it, were bland horrible songs.

Clegg said:
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If you cut out the shit from both albums and released it as 1 record then it would have been great. There was just so much crap in both albums though.

The Axl ballads were great but I'll remember these albums as the time when Axl disapperred up his own ass, never to be found again.
Yep.
 
Zombie James said:
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I didn't like Nimrod, either, but it was all downhill from here.

I disagree with this actually. My theory with Warning is that Green Day wanted to expand on some of the territory they started exploring with Nimrod. It made sense to me; the members of Green Day were nearing 30 years old at the time, made a ton of money and families by that point. Signing songs about masturbation, being lazy and being snot nosed teenagers would have been a bit weird.

The album was a flop and and as a result, the band went back to their roots. The problem is the guys are now 40 and wearing skinny jeans and their songs are very similar to their Dookie days. It's nice to see that they've lyrically matured though.

My two favourite Green Day albums are their two most overlooked - Insomniac and Warning.
 
legacyzero said:
Lack of anything Nickelback in this thread is straight shocking.

That would require somebody to actually admit that they liked them in the first place. In spite of everything I dislike about GAF's musical tastes, we don't have a lot of Nickelback fans.
 
Moppet13 said:
I don't understand this one.
All the worst trends from the previous few albums exploded and the whole thing just got too damn convoluted and busy, even for prog metal. Dark Clouds was similar. However, I wouldn't say Dream Theater has jumped the shark just yet.
 
Cradle of Filth...

they make this song on a terrible terrible album... The lead singer from HIM sings in a song on their album, and it's complete shite...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TbXdKr1AAxY

THEY CALL ME BADDDDDD

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MfMa2lrFxhY

wtf kind of metal is this?!

ahh... the "HARDER, DARKER and FASTER deluxe" MUST HAVE REDEEMED THEMSELVES~!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BA2qNFZd7vM

FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

...

Not to say they didn't jump the shark by signing over to Roadrunner... But........ Good god nobody foresaw this from this band
 
Mickey Avalon said:
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The Mars Volta - Octahedron
Honestly, I like this album more than Frances The Mute. (I actually like all of TMV albums.) I can understand why Octahedron get some shit because it was too acousticy and wasn't how do you say....... more "live" than the other albums from their past work.

Conciliator said:
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The Mars Volta's second album. These guys could be the best active rock band in the world if they wanted to be. If they would let go of their attachment to both the pretentious mythos and structural experimentalism of the worst of 70's prog rock, they would be unstoppable.
They are the best rock band out their right now. ;p Though, your complaints are valid which I tend to agree somewhat, but Omar & Cedric created The Mars Volta as an outlet to experiment their musical creativeness. I would love to see an album rock as hard as seen from their past band, At the Drive In - Relationship of Command and you do hear some of that time to time with some of their work. Though I am extremely happy/grateful to have The Mars Volta just playing like they are right now. Expecially if you go to one of their shows man, fucking religious experience every time I go. Can't wait to hear their new album next year. One of the newer tracks that they play this past Summer is really really good. The Mars Volta - Trinkets Pale of Moon
 
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Album wasn't that bad. This showed clearly that Outkast was never to go back to their old selves, and that they had creative differences.

After Pinkerton Weezer is a great pick.
Also, The Strokes fell off big time after Is This It.
 
djsandman said:

I feel like if the songs on this album were shorter, it would have been a good album. There were really good, chunky parts to each song, but they went on WAY too long. The songs should have been 2 minutes, tops, instead of 6-9 minutes like they were.
 
legacyzero said:
Lack of anything Nickelback in this thread is straight shocking.

That's because Nickelback never jumped the shark, they were always shit.

Synth_floyd said:
Metallica may have jumped the shark with St. Anger but they unjumped with Death Magnetic. Seriously it's amazing how a band which had produced nothing but shit for 15 years had such a triumphant return to making amazing music and returning to their roots with Death Magnetic and Rick Rubin. Can't wait for the follow up.

Death Magnetic wasn't bad, but I'd take Load, ReLoad and Garage Inc. over it any day of the week.

Orayn said:
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Blaze Bayley was the shark-jumpingest replacement of an iconic figure ever. Brave New World and onward were a huge improvement, but they never quite returned to their former glory.[/QUOTE]

I actually quite like both studio albums Blaze did with Maiden. Live he was a complete fucking trainwreck though, the man raped The Trooper and other Dickinson classics beyond recognition.

[QUOTE=Siyou]Cradle of Filth...

they make this song on a terrible terrible album... The lead singer from HIM sings in a song on their album, and it's complete shite...

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TbXdKr1AAxY[/url]

THEY CALL ME BADDDDDD

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MfMa2lrFxhY[/url]

wtf kind of metal is this?!

ahh... the "HARDER, DARKER and FASTER deluxe" MUST HAVE REDEEMED THEMSELVES~!

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BA2qNFZd7vM[/url]

FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

...

Not to say they didn't jump the shark by signing over to Roadrunner... But........ Good god nobody foresaw this from this band[/QUOTE]

I like their more recent albums, but I have no idea why they thought it a good idea to let Ville Valo sing on their album. Valo's vocals are just annoying, and HIM is trash for 12 year old girls. Why people like Bam Margera seems to like that shit so much is completely beyond me.
 
BOI-NGO. I can count the number of songs I really like on Oingo Boingo's last three albums on one hand. Everything else is just overdone and mediocre.

The second that Jefferson Airplane turned into Jefferson Starship.

I stopped caring about Kaiser Chiefs, Bloc Party and Arctic Monkeys after their first albums, does that count?

Gackt's 6th Day album. He rerecorded his old songs in a shitty voice that would become his new standard. It's like the old stuff never existed.
 
Orayn said:
All the worst trends from the previous few albums exploded and the whole thing just got too damn convoluted and busy, even for prog metal. Dark Clouds was similar. However, I wouldn't say Dream Theater has jumped the shark just yet.
I'd go an album earlier and say Octavarium was the moment for them. Awful.

Thankfully their latest is decent.
 
legacyzero said:
Lack of anything Nickelback in this thread is straight shocking.

My answer though, is not so much that my favorite band jumped the shark, but rather almost did.

SEVENDUST is my all time favorite band, but they almost blew it with the:

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Chapter VII: Hope and Sorrow

This album almost made me hate the band.
Yeah, definitely not the best. I guess not everything will be as good as Home and Animosity.

Also read they may disband after the next album. :(

As for the topic on hand, my pick has to be Cold. I loved the self-titled album Cold, 13 Ways, and Year of the Spider. The one in 2005 wasn't very impressive, and I honestly wasn't digging their recent stuff. Just... :\
 
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Before this it was crazy, heavy, fast and sometimes weird Japanese speed/power metal with some trash here and there, like this:

(hard to the find the studio version for some of their songs on youtube)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyGxF8yGqJQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EzyW3tihPXo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UT_kE9_NLSU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lTDQAHrvfLw

Now it's just weird and boring.

http://youtu.be/N0wW_h2vXs4

It's kind of like with Children of Bodom's HCDR though, the previous album did show some signs of the shift in sound, but still managed to be good.
 
Spectacular Dr Dawg said:
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Entombed - Wolverine Blues
From creating the best death metal album ever to a good death metal album to this mediocre death n' roll album. And the stuff that came after it was much much worse.

Wrong on about a billion levels. Not only does Wolverine Blues shit on anything they released prior to it but the following album, DCLXVI, is just as good.
 
This was incredible back in '97:

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...And then Make Yourself came out and was really slowed down and seemed way less experimental and I was super disappointed and haven't really paid much attention to them at all since.
 
Alfarif said:
I feel like if the songs on this album were shorter, it would have been a good album. There were really good, chunky parts to each song, but they went on WAY too long. The songs should have been 2 minutes, tops, instead of 6-9 minutes like they were.

I agree they were way too long especially since they didn't have solos, but 2 minutes? They're a metal band not a punk rock band. 3.5-4 would have been better for that album.
 
What's hilarious to me about the first reply is how immediately it came to mind for me as well. Every Jimmy Eat World album since Clarity has felt to me like diminishing returns, but Chase This Light was the first one that I didn't even like the single for and still said "okay, well, fine I'll buy it." I think I made it through maybe six full listens, tops. It was literally wasted money.

But if I'm being honest, the answer to this question is usually "Whenever a band releases something after I first start listening to them." It doesn't matter if they change their style or don't change their style, I'm probably either going to dislike their new direction or be disappointed that they're covering the same territory. Yeah Yeah Yeah's It's Blitz! is exactly the sort of music I like listening to and yet I was like "...but it's not what I wanted THEM to do." I'm impossible to please.

Now if the lead singer finds God and decides to break up the band, then reform it with a bunch of fucking teenagers and make a bunch of bullshit songs, I'm going to say Smashing Pumpkins jumped the shark and that's not me being an implacable bitch. That's Billy Corgan sucking ass. But if I say that nothing did since Mellon Collie was as good as an overwrought, extra-long album featuring a goddamned lullabye, then I am, in video game forum parlance, teh bias.
 
Combichristoffersen said:
I actually quite like both studio albums Blaze did with Maiden. Live he was a complete fucking trainwreck though, the man raped The Trooper and other Dickinson classics beyond recognition.
I will admit that I've got a strange affinity for Virtual XI. Doesn't make the Bayley years any less of a mess, though.
 
Witchfinder General said:
Wrong on about a billion levels. Not only does Wolverine Blues shit on anything they released prior to it but the following album, DCLXVI, is just as good.
Better than Left Hand Path? Blasphemous!
It probably is one of the better records in that style though, along with Xysma's yeah. But compared to everything they did before it's pretty mediocre in my opinion.
 
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