Well, Gen 1 has aged about as well as Robert Redford. That is to say, not very.
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Well, Gen 1 has aged about as well as Robert Redford. That is to say, not very.
vainglorious
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So like, is all of this for Pokemon Go?
I don't get it.
I don't get it.
No, it's for the 20th anniversary of the series in general.
Admiral Woofington
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I've played all Pokemon titles except the black and white sequels. And I still love gen 1 and 2 Pokemon the best. Clearly nostalgia plays a strong hand in my enjoyment it doesn't make my opinion any less valid. So I appreciated the ad.
I don't think streams have commercials. They mostly say "We'll be right back" with no sound.
Pop-O-Matic
Banned
Yeah, people can only enjoy a game if it lives up to modern standard, and can't just enjoy the Game Boy RPG from the mid-90s for what it is. This is why everyone came to the consensus that games such as Super Mario Bros, Mega Man 2, Super Metroid, Earthbound, etc. were shit when they were rereleased on VC.
Battlechili
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I'm surprised at how much detail was put into this. Great finds!
Well thats true. I just threw out a number with the 500. Im sure they expect more will be moved by nostalgia.
Im sure $5million in a year long marketing campaign is a drop in a bucket for them though
HeavyMetalLover91
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Mmm no. Those games stood the test of time. Yes, gen 1 is playable and I'm sure there are many people who will experience for the first time and may even enjoy them for what they are. But you're not telling me there isn't gonna be a lot of crying and bitching when they release next month because of how dated they are.
Love Deterrence
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Lmao people will literally complain about anything
First I will say that people will complain about anything.
What about Gen 1 makes it a bad game?
Are we talking about out-dated convenience features? Didn't Super Mario Brothers not have a save feature? You still include it as having "stood the test of time"
NHarmonic.
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Agreed.
IMO a bore fest. Very bland region, without the charm and life of gen2, 3 or 4, even 6.
WrenchNinja
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Dude looks fine for an 80 year old
HeavyMetalLover91
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The fact that mechanically it's completely broken. The convenience things such as running and easier box management are just that, convenience. This is what I'm talking about:
Icyflamez96
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No one cares about ANY of this nerdy jibber jabber. People's emotional connection to gen 1 is not hampered by poor Toxic mechanics.The fact that mechanically it's completely broken. The convenience things such as running and easier box management are just that, convenience. This is what I'm talking about:
Jeez you would think gen wunners killed your family.
The fact that mechanically it's completely broken. The convenience things such as running and easier box management are just that, convenience. This is what I'm talking about:
I wasn't min/maxing Pokemon Red when I was 11 years old, I was going on an awesome adventure with my Charmander.
The fact that mechanically it's completely broken. The convenience things such as running and easier box management are just that, convenience. This is what I'm talking about:
damn even the wanky pokemon green sprites look better than modern pokemon designs
a fucking trash bag
MrCookiepants
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Trash bag > pokeball with eyes drawn on & it's incredibly imaginative evolution, upside-down pokeball with eyes drawn on.
finalflame
Banned
Wow, GAF will really get angry over just about anything. Commercial was awesome and the inclusion of Gen 1 Pokemon really made it hit home for me, as someone who was playing those as a kid.
a pile of sludge...?
Pokeball with eyes, upside down pokeball with eyes, etc. I'm sure you've heard it before.
Wait, you mean I don't have to wait a whole turn if I kill someone with Hyper Beam? Preorder canceled!
Oh they are not. So dumb.
And why would you apply today's standards to a 20 year old game anyways?
Yeah so much better than a pile of sludge, a pokeball, an upside down pokeball, three magnemites stuck together, three digletts stuck together, whatever the hell Jynx is, etc.
Every generation has terrible designs.
SinCityAssassin
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I'm just gonna go right out and say that because this commercial is going to catch the attention of tens of millions of people in the mainstream that probably don't GET new pokemon, but remember when it was a phenomenon, that they chose to focus more on the first generation since that was its essence in America.
DecoReturns
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They should've put Espeon somewhere, its the best Pokemon.
Still nice commercial
Still nice commercial
Well...
Caddywompus
Member
That's an expensive commercial to advertise absolutely nothing.
Icyflamez96
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Oh my god I love your avatars lmao
Prevolition
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If anything it's to put Pokémon back on everyone's radar in a "viral" way before they start heavily advertising Pokémon Go, Red and Blue, Pokken Tournament, etc. I think it's just to get people back in the mood for Pokémon through nostalgia while introducing the young kids of the newer generation (hence the "I can do that" and "You can do that").
I find the video a little creepy.
HeavyMetalLover91
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That's a fair point, and I agree. I'm not going to play through Gen 1 next month and get upset over those points but you can't deny the game is broken in terms of battle mechanics, not to mention all the glitches and such. When the thread for the releases next month goes up and there isn't a single complaint about how dated the games are then I'll concede my point and say, yep, they were right, Gen 1 is a masterpiece despite its flaws, people clearly love these games warts and all. But we both know that won't be the case. If there was a definition for rose-tinted glasses then you'd find a picture of Gen 1 right next to it.
Oh look, the target audience for the commercial appeared.
Gen 1 had shit designs too, shitter than the trash bag, as has already been pointed out.
..Why wouldn't you? A game like Super Metroid was great back then and despite the advancements in gaming and technology, it is still just as fun to play today as it was back then. It hasn't needed to be remade because it is still perfectly playable. Red and Blue/Gree HAVE been remade and are a significant improvement over the originals. The speed of movement in the game, the constant menus and box management are all terrible compared to what we have now. Yes, it's still playable, but they show their age, unlike Super Metroid, which is the point I'm making here.
10/10 post
Fantastical
Death Prophet
Very passionate gen 1 hate. What a world.
Perfect for the Super Bowl.
It's advertising the brand.
It all comes to down to people who fail to see the big picture. Some fans feel the need to defend the series' current state to the extent that they end up offending its origins. It's rather embarrassing too, because many of the usual points thrown are essentially as silly as the points "Genwunners" make. Take that image that compares Gen 1 mechanics to later revisions, for instance -- as if it isn't natural that the series would evolve to become more balanced and technically competent, there's this need to broadcast the obvious fact that the old metagame isn't anywhere as suitable for advanced and competitive play as they newer one. And then you have outright attacks on older Pokémon, which is the worst offender of all -- rather than explaining why claims that newer critters are less inspired or elegant are invalid, it's as if some fans are agreeing with "Genwunners" that some Pokémon are ugly and uninspired, and even proceed to add more on that list.
I don't think there's anything wrong with preferring one generation from another. There's a point to be made about each and every Pokémon game, and there's yet to be an entry that is anything less than great. Everyone has a favourite, and it just so happens that this is usually picked based on personal experiences rather than objective criteria. Those that didn't follow through the series' steps after Gen 1/2 don't need to be answered to when they claim that newer games are somehow worse -- and it needs to be said that a large majority of "Genwunners" are exactly that. But to be frank, if there's anything worse than answering to those 'hit-and-run' posts, that is definitely Generations Wars among active fans of the franchise. This kind of hostility is never justified. We should know better than that.
HeavyMetalLover91
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I find it funnier that the trend of Pokemon has gone something like this:
And yeah, the following is an extreme generalisation
Circa 1999:
All Fans - "Wow, Pokemon is awesome, everything's great, what a time to be alive!"
Circa 2003:
Fan A - "Wow, look at how awesome Pokemon has become, so many legendaries, double battles, full colour graphics, amazing!"
Fan B - "Pokemon is for babies"
Circa 2009:
Fan A - "Pokemon on the DS is the best, Pokemon follow you, you can play through every region using the GBA slot, you can play online, the Pokemon are much more animated, a couple of the designs are a bit iffy but overall the games are amazing"
Fan B - "Wow, wtf are these new Pokemon, they look like crap, the original 151 was best"
Fan C - [In response to Fan B] "Huh, I guess you only like Gen 1, you must be a genwunner, well it wasn't as great as you think it was, the Pokemon were just as lame as some of the new ones, and the games sucked compared to what they're like now"
Circa 2016:
Fan D - "Oh please, don't attack the poor genwunners, they don't know what they're talking about, who are you to deride their fun and love of the first generation, please, please stop, you genwunner bashers are just as bad as genwunners themselves, if not worse!"
In case you missed it, the point I'm making is that we're now in this 'through the looking glass' stage of the fanbase where instead of not paying attention to the 'genwunners' and their asinine comments about the state of Pokemon today, we get these shining knights who feel it's now 'so edgy' to shit on the fans who have stuck with the franchise through these 20 years and are sick of said asinine comments. It's pathetic. In this very thread we've had shit posts such as 'a fucking trash bag'. Really. 5 years after that Pokemon debuted we're still getting comments like that, and the rest of the fanbase is supposed to give a thumbs up and say great job. I don't care if people don't like the way Pokemon is now, but I don't see why the fans of the series as a whole should have to sit quietly and let stupid comments like that occur for the fear of upsetting the beloved genwunners. As far as I'm concerned, I'd share these opinions about any generation, I like all of them and if 'genthree-ers' became a thing I'd feel obliged to say why they were being just as moronic, it just so happens that 'genwunners' is where the majority of fans today started off and why there's such a huge divide.
And for what it's worth, I have no problem with Gen 1, it holds a lot of good memories for me. My original point that I made at the start of this thread was that it was a shame for a commercial about brand awareness focused solely on material that existed back in 1996, save for a fleeting appearance by the Mega evolution of one popular Pokemon that isn't part of the original lineup. Like people have pointed out, many of the little references in the commercial will go over people's heads, so a lot of it is clearly aimed at the fans, y'know, the ones that have most likely played most of the games, in which it would have been cool to have references to stuff other than Red and Blue. That's the only point I was making. I couldn't give a fuck what generation people like best or whether they think Game A is better than Game B.