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Polanski A Free Man: Swiss Reject Extradition

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ymmv said:
Polanski is one of the great directors. I'd rather see him doing a few more movies despite his advanced age than spending the last few years of his life in jail. At least Polanski is still making good movies (The Ghost Writer), that's more than you can say about Coppola who lost it in the eighties.
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Seriously. We should really throw Coppola in jail instead.
 
AlternativeUlster said:
All this hate towards Coppala even though none of you watched Tetro which was one of the best films last year.
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Tetro was all right.
But Youth Without Youth was sooooo bad that it's really hard taking Coppola seriously now.
 
Don't see any problem at all, since "the victim" doesn't have any problem with it. It's not your business people.
 
While Polanski being in prison wouldn't be such a terrible thing, I fail to see how it's necessary. His victim seems to want it to be forgotten and Polanski would just be a burden on tax payers in prison. If he was regularly raping people while eating cheese and wine in France, I could see the point in getting him off the streets, but I've always felt prison should be about rehabilitation, not just punishing them out of retribution.

Basically, he made a (pretty fucking huge) mistake and then ran, but I don't see who would benefit from his imprisonment. Justice shouldn't be about revenge.
 
subversus said:
Don't see any problem at all, since "the victim" doesn't have any problem with it. It's not your business people.
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Umm, he was tried, convicted, and fled from his punishment. It IS our business. Flight from prosecution is serious business.
 
John Dunbar said:
Basically, he made a (pretty fucking huge) mistake and then ran, but I don't see who would benefit from his imprisonment. Justice shouldn't be about revenge.
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If you have enough money and prestige you should be exempt from prosecution.
 
I think a lot of you going all vigilante on this forget the fact that the victim DOESN'T WANT a new trial, and that, you know, maybe it would be painful for her. And that she probably want to keep all of this behind her (hmm, pun not intended).

In this particular case I'd really give the final say to the victim.

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John Dunbar said:
While Polanski being in prison wouldn't be such a terrible thing, I fail to see how it's necessary. His victim seems to want it to be forgotten and Polanski would just be a burden on tax payers in prison. If he was regularly raping people while eating cheese and wine in France, I could see the point in getting him off the streets, but I've always felt prison should be about rehabilitation, not just punishing them out of retribution.
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I agree with this: great post!
 
avatar299 said:
So rape is cool if you are forgiven?
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it's not cool in any case, but since a person is forgiven nobody should blame him anymore. Yes, he did it, but you weren't there, you don't know how it did happen.
 
John Dunbar said:
While Polanski being in prison wouldn't be such a terrible thing, I fail to see how it's necessary. His victim seems to want it to be forgotten and Polanski would just be a burden on tax payers in prison. If he was regularly raping people while eating cheese and wine in France, I could see the point in getting him off the streets, but I've always felt prison should be about rehabilitation, not just punishing them out of retribution.

Basically, he made a (pretty fucking huge) mistake and then ran, but I don't see who would benefit from his imprisonment. Justice shouldn't be about revenge.
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That's the thing, he never saw justice. He just went on making movies and money like nothing ever happened, he just had to stay out of the US.

I wonder if people who think he should be left alone feel the same way about the Catholic Church/Pope? Because if you think about it, a lot of the current allegations are digging up crimes that happened 15-30 years ago.

Shito said:
I think a lot of you going all vigilante on this forget the fact that the victim DOESN'T WANT a new trial, and that, you know, maybe it would be painful for her. And that she probably want to keep all of this behind her (hmm, pun not intended).
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He doesn't get a new trial. He gets sentenced. He was convicted of a crime.

You don't get to decide what your own punishment is, that's not justice.
 
JoeBoy101 said:
Umm, he was tried, convicted, and fled from his punishment. It IS our business. Flight from prosecution is serious business.
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This. Who gives a shit if the victim forgave him? He fled prosecution. He didn't take responsibility for his actions. The fucker needs to be jailed.
 
Shito said:
I think a lot of you going all vigilante on this forget the fact that the victim DOESN'T WANT a new trial, and that, you know, maybe it would be painful for her. And that she probably want to keep all of this behind her (hmm, pun not intended).

In this particular case I'd really give the final say to the victim.
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Which is great and i would agree. However, the problem though is a) ass raping a drugged girl is a criminal act and b) Polanksi fled which itself is a serious crime.
 
Shito said:
I think a lot of you going all vigilante on this forget the fact that the victim DOESN'T WANT a new trial, and that, you know, maybe it would be painful for her. And that she probably want to keep all of this behind her (hmm, pun not intended).

In this particular case I'd really give the final say to the victim.
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Doesn't need to be a new trial. The dude fled from punishment on the first one.

subversus said:
it's not cool in any case, but since a person is forgiven nobody should blame him anymore. Yes, he did it, but you weren't there, you don't know how it did happen.
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He plead guilty and fled his sentence.
 
Shito said:
I think a lot of you going all vigilante on this forget the fact that the victim DOESN'T WANT a new trial, and that, you know, maybe it would be painful for her. And that she probably want to keep all of this behind her (hmm, pun not intended).
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It isn't about her anymore and she can't forgive him of the crime he has now committed.
 
subversus said:
it's not cool in any case, but since a person is forgiven nobody should blame him anymore. Yes, he did it, but you weren't there, you don't know how it did happen.
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That makes no sense. Justice isn't about making the victim feel better, it is promoting a peaceful, fair society. And his escaping jail is the antithesis of just.
 
subversus said:
it's not cool in any case, but since a person is forgiven nobody should blame him anymore. Yes, he did it, but you weren't there, you don't know how it did happen.
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:lol It doesn't matter how it happened it's still rape. And there person gave up because she didn't want any more attention drawn to her. Would you really want to continually relive and having to hear about it? He skipped prosecution which is a serious crime if he gets hit with nothing else. You can't just skip town because you don't want to get punished for your crimes.


Shito said:
I think a lot of you going all vigilante on this forget the fact that the victim DOESN'T WANT a new trial, and that, you know, maybe it would be painful for her. And that she probably want to keep all of this behind her (hmm, pun not intended).

In this particular case I'd really give the final say to the victim.

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I agree with this: great post!
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Then charge him with fleeing a sentence. You realize there is more than one charge right?
 
subversus said:
Don't see any problem at all, since "the victim" doesn't have any problem with it. It's not your business people.
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If somebody gave me a huge sack of money I could probably be convinced to "forgive them" also. Fortunately, the government's ability to prosecute rapists doesn't magically disappear if the victim "forgives" the perpetrator.



subversus said:
it's not cool in any case, but since a person is forgiven nobody should blame him anymore. Yes, he did it, but you weren't there, you don't know how it did happen.
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You weren't there, you don't know who did what to whom, with what, and how, and the why or the they and the when...
whoopi_snlarc.jpg
 
subversus said:
it's not cool in any case, but since a person is forgiven nobody should blame him anymore. Yes, he did it, but you weren't there, you don't know how it did happen.
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We have her testimony that neither deny. We know it happened and yes, how it went down.
 
subversus said:
it's not cool in any case, but since a person is forgiven nobody should blame him anymore. Yes, he did it, but you weren't there, you don't know how it did happen.
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You are simply the worst.
 
morningbus said:
It isn't about her anymore and she can't forgive him of the crime he has now committed.
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this probably. It's just a matter of principle for US authorities. They want to show that nobody can flee justice and that's right for them to set this example. That means respect (and fear -> obedience).

But since I'm not an american citizen I'd prefer Polanski to make more movies :D
 
John Dunbar said:
While Polanski being in prison wouldn't be such a terrible thing, I fail to see how it's necessary. His victim seems to want it to be forgotten and Polanski would just be a burden on tax payers in prison. If he was regularly raping people while eating cheese and wine in France, I could see the point in getting him off the streets, but I've always felt prison should be about rehabilitation, not just punishing them out of retribution.
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To a certain extend, I have to agree. I rather not waste the resources pursing some fucked up old guy. He's barred from the country and it's not like he is going to come back anytime soon. This isn't the idiotic Hollywood excuses of "Well he is an artists" or "he suffered enough". It's the, if we do get another chance. Go for it, but don't waste shit trying to get him back either.
 
John Dunbar said:
I've always felt prison should be about rehabilitation, not just punishing them out of retribution.
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People don't get rehabilitated in prison. That said, you have to try really hard to actually get thrown in prison. The thing is, Polanski would have probably gotten probation and served, say, 40 days in jail. Big deal.
 
subversus said:
this probably. It's just a matter of principle for US authorities. They want to show that nobody can flee justice and that's right for them to set this example. That means respect (and fear -> obedience).

But since I'm not an american citizen I'd prefer Polanski to make more movies :D
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:lol Wow
 
subversus said:
this probably. It's just a matter of principle for US authorities. They want to show that nobody can flee justice and that's right for them to set this example. That means respect (and fear -> obedience).

But since I'm not an american citizen I'd prefer Polanski to make more movies :D
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So, Americans don't support child rape, but the rest of the world does?

U-S-A! U-S-A! U-S-A!
 
subversus said:
it's not cool in any case, but since a person is forgiven nobody should blame him anymore. Yes, he did it, but you weren't there, you don't know how it did happen.
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I just keep picturing a battered woman trying to get domestic battery charges dropped against her hubby when I read this.
 
subversus said:
Don't see any problem at all, since "the victim" doesn't have any problem with it. It's not your business people.
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ohhh...the victim didn't mind being raped. ok, no problem. case closed. thanks!

it doesn't matter btw. she was underage. I don't care if she's of age now. When it happened she was underage and per the law of the land, an underage person cannot consent.
 
ConfusingJazz said:
Holy shit, RiskyChris and I agree on something.

http://imgur.com/fJcxF.png
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:lol

Anyway, he fucked up badly, and rape is nothing to be taken lightly, but this happened over 30 years ago, and the man is nearly 80 years old by now. Had he been spending the last 30 years doing a rape tour of Europe, yeah, he should've been jailed a long time ago, but so much time has passed since this happened, the victim has forgiven him, and as far as I know he hasn't committed any serious crimes since then, so going through all these hoops trying to jail an old fart like Polanski just strikes me as a waste of everyone's time and resources.
 
subversus said:
it's not cool in any case, but since a person is forgiven nobody should blame him anymore. Yes, he did it, but you weren't there, you don't know how it did happen.
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You weren't there either. All that matters is that he pleaded guilty.
 
WE have fugitives in this country that need to be tracked now far more than Roman. At this point and all these years it really feels that it's become more about trying to prove a point than justice. Does he deserve punishment, yea but it's too late now I guess; we have to let this one go.
 
BobTheFork said:
WE have fugitives in this country that need to be tracked now far more than Roman. At this point and all these years it really feels that it's become more about trying to prove a point than justice. Does he deserve punishment, yea but it's too late now I guess; we have to let this one go.
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So basically the message you'd like to send is that if you commit a horrible crime and then run away long enough we'll eventually let it slide.
 
He raped a child 30 years ago, but he hasn't done it since (that we know of), so it's all water under the bridge. Is that the correct message?
 
I really think some of you guys should read more about this case. : /
Not saying the man's innocent, but there were reasons for him to flee.
Not saying he was right to flee neither, but this is really not as simple as a lot of you are making this to be.
 
BobTheFork said:
WE have fugitives in this country that need to be tracked now far more than Roman. At this point and all these years it really feels that it's become more about trying to prove a point than justice. Does he deserve punishment, yea but it's too late now I guess; we have to let this one go.
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:lol What? And it's not like they used up thousands of men in resources to catch this guy.


Shito said:
I really think some of you guys should read more about this case. : /
Not saying the man's innocent, but there were reasons for him to flee.
Not saying he was right to flee neither, but this is really not as simple as a lot of you are making this to be.
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You seem to be the only one misinformed so far. He fled, that's a crime. And that's ignoring the rape he did.
 
BobTheFork said:
WE have fugitives in this country that need to be tracked now far more than Roman. At this point and all these years it really feels that it's become more about trying to prove a point than justice. Does he deserve punishment, yea but it's too late now I guess; we have to let this one go.
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That's bullshit. We know where Roman is. Giving him his due sentence is not a complicated issue.
 
Can I get a list of laws that I can break that will be forgiven after a set amount of time? I have a weekend to plan.

Let me get the list started:
1) Drugging and Raping a child
2) Fleeing from Sentencing

Thanks!

Edit: I should clarify that I at no time should be punished for these crimes.
 
morningbus said:
Can I get a list of laws that I can break that will be forgiven after a set amount of time? I have a weekend to plan.

Let me get the list started:
1) Drugging and Raping a child
2) Fleeing from Sentencing

Thanks!
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Everything except for murder.
 
subversus said:
Don't see any problem at all, since "the victim" doesn't have any problem with it. It's not your business people.
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What's with the quotes? A victim doesn't stop being a victim, even if they forgive the victimizer. :/
 
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