The GOODMAN returns. Isn't he tired of this shit by now?
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The GOODMAN returns. Isn't he tired of this shit by now?
He has to double up ever since his comrade Seth Abramson gave up the goose.
This is why I said "warning: Politico". Their narrative articles are the worst.
Monday poll: 18 points
Wednesday poll: 2 points
Conclusion: Clinton scrambling, behind by 14 points on Friday
He can't un-ring the bell on the isolationist bullshit he's been spreading on free trade agreements his entire campaign. There is nothing Sanders can do at this point to make his campaign anything but a net negative for the progressive movement. How he plays out the finish here decides if he was only mildly damaging or if he's going to try and burn the whole thing down because he didn't get his way.
jack_package_200
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I hope some the posts in the Univision thread are incredibly bizarre.
Why are people defending ignorance?
Why are people defending ignorance?
Knuckle Sandwich
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Yeah I sent him the to to the +18 poll and the rcp average page. Haven't gotten a text back yet.
I think if Warren isn't VP the only reason is they didn't want to risk the Senate seat.
Which admittedly is a very strong reason.
That's one thing I'll never understand about this election.
When did free trade become anti-progressive?
When did isolationism become progressive?
Frank the Great
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To be fair, GOTV matters a lot more for Democrats than the GOP. Those folks turn out no matter what.
Jack Remington
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H.A. Goodman is the dumbest writer on the internet.
A combination of independents allowed to vote, and over a million new registered voters, the vast majority that are young voters, leads me to believe he has a great chance of winning.
It won't be enough to win the nomination, but I could see him winning by 10%.
Knuckle Sandwich
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There's a lot of hero worship going on with Bernie Sanders. Must defend our hero no matter how many mental hoops we have to jump through.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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https://twitter.com/JesseLehrich/status/736209731182792705
Hillary's team doing a lot of experimenting right now.
Hillary's team doing a lot of experimenting right now.
Wolfgunblood Garopa
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The incredible effort over the years by conservatives to promote ignorance as a virtue has been so effective that there's collateral damage to left leaning voters as well.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
In the short term, protectionism and isolationism are aligned with the interests of labor, insomuch as they're focused on "keeping the jobs"
What's genuinely strange to me is that Bernie is leaning into that short term thinking so heavily, instead of really going in on the bigger picture of "hey...the jobs left but the money is still here, we need to evaluate the distribution of wealth"
Like...yes, he is also campaigning on that to an extent, but the anti-trade thing is an active distraction from that larger goal
JesseEwiak
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When lots of people lost the chance at good jobs with pensions and health care and all they see they got for it was cheap jeans at Wal Mart.
Spoiled Milk
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I agree, only stating my preference. I guess holding on to the hegemony is more attractive.
My point being that a few years after a very serious war between the nations, the UK supported the US in its endeavors and they have become staunch allies.
And Tiananmen square alone can be one-upped by Native American massacres, but unlike you, I am not going to rate atrocities. I am merely proving that we have not always been stalwart defenders of human rights... ever. Trying to cut China's hamstrings for it would be hypocritical.
The Great Leap forward killed anywhere from 15 million people to 50 million. That's as bad as WWII! I'm not going to deny that.
And yet... The great leap forward set China up for the greatest economic explosion in human history. It doubled the population growth rate, the life expectancy, the food production, and the quality of life for many Chinese. It also turns out that if you compare the famine to other famines that have appeared in China during its history, it is comparable in scale.
You might be surprised to know that in the 20th Century alone, we have done over three-quarters of that stuff. Get the stars and stripes out of your eyes.
I am not glossing over anything. I am very, very familiar with the history of China, and I have enough of a rudimentary knowledge of the history of this country to make comparisons.
Everything I said there was true. Prove me wrong.
When Bernie Sanders convinced a bunch of white people with passively racist world views that it was.
Correlation is not causation. Manufacturing jobs were already leaving, free trade deals just got something back.
FoxConn is replacing 60,000 workers in China where they cost a fraction of U.S. labor rates with robots, yet somehow it's the lack of marginal tariffs that has destroyed the manufacturing sector in the U.S..
Incredibly bizarre. I just logged on too to check my shares and I guess should've waited for more email wrist-slapping and Bernie going crazy. Oh well, I guess you can get shares at a great price now.
BlastProcessing
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I don't understand how the media constantly allows campaigns to get away with the whole lowered expectations game. It's always so obvious.
Sure, but there are a lot of things going for Democrats. Baker is a moderate #NeverTrump so he could probably be persuaded into appointing a Democrat into Warren's seat after the election, it's Massachusetts so Democrats are the extreme favorites to win a special election (and screw Scott Brown for putting the fear of God into Massachuetts Democrats back in 2010), and Democrats hold >80% of seats in the state legislature so they can always change the rules for how Senate replacements work, as they've done in the past.
JesseEwiak
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I'm not saying it's true, but to your average former blue collar worker in Wisconsin, Indiana, or Pennsylvania, it sure doesn't look like their communities "got something back." It looks like the liberal elites in big cities got something, but they got crap and no, however much you tell them, they're not except permanent economic issues where they live as a good trade for cheap HDTV's and cell phones.
It also doesn't help when economist in their ivory towers who never have to worry about their job being shipped off to China shame blue collar workers for the crime of wanting a decent job with good waged and benefits without going thousands of dollars in debt for a college degree at age 50.
It's so you cute you think the just because somebody is a "moderate" Republican they won't be total partisan assholes.
RastaMentality
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Do people not think the incredible sexism against two women on a ticket won't play a role? Or is that actually less relevant now.
Aaron Strife
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The Scott Brown ball-washing was so embarrassing.
Especially when Warren threw her hat in the ring and all the local assholes would just talk about how great Brown was and that he was unbeatable. Some of them even endorsed him.
It was PD's "Brown has this on lockdown" rhetoric on crack.
It's been brought up - I'm having a hard time imagining who would be ok with voting in a female president but not a female president AND vice president but I'm sure there will be someone. Don't think it would amount to much though. If you win more BernieBro votes that way then it's all good.
Free trade between capitalists for the benefit of capitalists with some ok side effects like cheap electronics at the expense of more important things like a secure life for yourself and your family is not "progressive".
If people were happy with the trade off, this wouldn't be an issue. JesseEwiak is on point.
Suikoguy
I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
So, Sanders is going to continue ignoring the Tax Return situation until it no longer matters if he releases them.
I do have to wonder what Trump and Sanders are hiding.
Ironically I think it's a case of Sanders being too rich, and Trump not being rich enough, lol.
Plus, that only makes sense when there are still contests left.
I do have to wonder what Trump and Sanders are hiding.
Ironically I think it's a case of Sanders being too rich, and Trump not being rich enough, lol.
Plus, that only makes sense when there are still contests left.
Oh, it will definitely get much worse if two women are on the ticket. It is a big reason I think Hillary would rule her out, as sad as that is.
darkside31337
Tomodachi wa Mahou
Its not going to matter. People vote for the president and not the VP. The folks who don't want to see a woman in the WH are going to vote against Hillary because shes the one running for president, not because Warren is the VP. She could pick a woman, she could pick a white male, she could pick an alien from outer space thats not going to change that.
Warren might not get picked for other reasons but an all women ticket is a positive and not a negative.
Warren might not get picked for other reasons but an all women ticket is a positive and not a negative.
If anything, Clinton's team has been relatively open that Warren is in the mix, saying there's a lot of prescident for a single gender ticket. I don't think Warren's gender is why she won't be picked if she isn't.
Macho Madness
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Oooooh things are getting spicy. It's the Libertarian Party convention this weekend!
Big Johnson got this!
Big Johnson got this!
Macho Madness
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As of today by the AP count, Hillary is 73 delegates away from clinching the Democratic nomination.
My estimation is she will get:
Virgin Islands: 4
Delegates left to clinch: 69
Puerto Rico: 36
Delegates left to clinch: 33
Assuming a tie in New Jersey (would be a bad result for her), she will get: 63
Delegates left to clinch: -30
My estimation is she will get:
Virgin Islands: 4
Delegates left to clinch: 69
Puerto Rico: 36
Delegates left to clinch: 33
Assuming a tie in New Jersey (would be a bad result for her), she will get: 63
Delegates left to clinch: -30
Something something something superdelegates don'y count
Orbis Tabula
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Dammit. I'm on shitty wifi on my phone, so it took like seven minutes to open this. Seven minutes waiting for, surprise surprise, yet another shitty HA Goodman article. Can we at least mark posts that are just gonna laugh at Goodman so I can ignore them? It's not really adding much to the conversation.
I know, I'm being all "no fun allowed" but whatever. Blind links are getting so so irritating.
So like, while I think Kristoffer's overall "screw human rights who needs those" position is huelenical (maybe even kristofferian), and a lot of this post seems crazy, I actually specifically do agree that the whole idea of criticizing China for their labor rights system is colonial. Sending smart people over to other countries to say that they should stop doing things their way because we know better is not really a new idea for Western civilization. Nor does anybody seem to be willing to broach the question of, if we're going to use trade power or whatever to force our labor law expectations on other countries, how do we then provide them with corresponding aid to make sure they can successfully industrialize and get their citizens out of poverty?
But ultimately the reason we're not allies with China has nothing to do with China's labor issues. It isn't even specifically about human rights, although it probably should be because China's whole police state, imprison and murder dissidents thing is pretty bad. It's about China's imperialism and how the state economy ties into it.
A good example of this is the Dr. Strange controversy. Leaving aside the whole issue with replacing an Asian dude with a white woman, the Marvel spokesperson came right out and said that the reason they whitewashed the Ancient One was that China wouldn't let them sell the movie there if it played up Tibet, because China's official policy is to suppress Tibetan culture until it is extinguished. It should be pretty clear why that's problematic, and why the other countries near China have been so interested in American protection and support, and why we're interested in giving it.
I think that putting a man on the ticket softens the blow for some of the "diet" sexists. The people who don't say that they don't like the idea of a female president, but also say they can't vote for Hillary because she's shrill or she reminds them of their mom (in a bad way).
I think putting another woman on the ticket does nothing to excite the people that are already excited for a female president. They're already on board.
I think it's a strike against Warren. She's a repeat of the "biggest" thing about Clinton. I think that plus the Republican governor in MA and having MA already locked electorally is going to keep her off the ticket. She's awesome, but she's doing the Lord's work against Trump already and VP is a shitty job anyway.
Did Sarah Palin not have an impact on John McCain's numbers? I mean, he was going to lose anyway, but I wonder what the empirical evidence is for someone catastrophic like that.
Aaron Strife
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August headlines: "Hillary Clinton easily clinches nomination on first ballot"
"Yeah but that was with the superdelegates so it doesn't count"
darkside31337
Tomodachi wa Mahou
Palin was a disaster because she was completely unqualified, totally insane and made gaffe after gaffe. Gender didn't have a whole lot to do with it. Don't think someone like Warren is going to have those same issues.
I still don't think Warren as VP will happen but it certainly seems more plausible now than it did even a month ago. Still don't get why she would actually want the position though.
nature boy
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AHAHAHAHAHAHA.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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Trump wanted regime change in Egypt before he didn't:
https://www.buzzfeed.com/andrewkacz...k-which-he-now?utm_term=.wtWX1yjqa#.ndxMEjwko
https://www.buzzfeed.com/andrewkacz...k-which-he-now?utm_term=.wtWX1yjqa#.ndxMEjwko
Do you guys think this type of video would be effective as a campaign ad?
That's certainly going to lock him out of the AA vote that's for sure
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