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[whyamihere]

What an insanely stupid adventure.

Also I don't think we'll take the senate but if we can SOMEHOW get 49 seats my guess is that we could stop ACA repeal even if we don't take the House with Murkowski and Collins even IF we got to McCain's "regular order".

 

[Greigor The Fellhand]

Ha, I had the exact same reaction. Hard eyeroll at that line.



Yeah, expect those cowards Portman and Capito to declare their opposition now too.

Yep, I know Kasich was leaning on Portman to get him yo to vote no. Km guessing now hell come out against it

 

[Vimes]

I'm thankful he is saying this about Graham-Cassidy, but I am getting sick and tired of hearing republicans say the ACA was "rammed through" Congress.

This, fuck John McCain. It's not just that I'm mad that he's smearing the Dem's process with the ACA; it gives cover to fucks like McConnell when they violate the same regular order he claims to treasure so god damned much.

I'm happy he's standing by his warped ass principles, but there's no consistency to them at all. There's a reason I never took his dumb bothsides speech seriously.

 

[Mark Andrew]

I honestly thought Graham-Cassidy would pass, but I’m more than happy to take the L on this.

 

[Kusagari]

As long as McCain sticks to his warped principals we're probably good. I can't see the GOP as a collective ever doing THE REGULAR ORDERRR when it comes to health care.

 

[BoogieWoogie]

Asked in the other thread but this also means that September 30th is their last day to use reconciliation for taxes as well right?

 

[nature boy]

Jimmy Kimmel‏Verified account @jimmykimmel 5m5 minutes ago

Thank you @SenJohnMcCain for being a hero again and again and now AGAIN

I guess Kimmel also deserves some credit for the public pressure on this bill

 

[Zolo]

What an insanely stupid adventure.

Also I don't think we'll take the senate but if we can SOMEHOW get 49 seats my guess is that we could stop ACA repeal even if we don't take the House with Murkowski and Collins even IF we got to McCain's "regular order".

Yeah. At least for ACA, we really only need to gain one...maybe two seats outside of Collins and Murkowski.

Still needs to be over 50 to stop Trump from appointing another supreme court justice.

 

[Mizerman]

I guess Kimmel also deserves some credit for the public pressure on this bill

That he does.

 

[Diablos]

"Obamacare rammed through Congress" is so disingenuous... as is acting as though Graham and Cassidy have good intentions behind their bill.

But... I'll take it if it means McCain is sweeping in to save the day again. Good on him. I do have to give props for a Republican sticking up for bipartisan governing.

Honestly he’s trying to lecture the right wing on compromise more than anything on that one. I get it. It was a one and done kind of quote, he didn’t really lean into it like all the other things he said.

 

[Blader]

What an insanely stupid adventure.

Also I don't think we'll take the senate but if we can SOMEHOW get 49 seats my guess is that we could stop ACA repeal even if we don't take the House with Murkowski and Collins even IF we got to McCain's "regular order".

On the flip side, if we can't maintain status quo in the Senate and/or flip the House, we'll absolutely see ACA repeal in 2019.

 

[Spoiled Milk]

I'm happy he's standing by his warped ass principles, but there's no consistency to them at all. There's a reason I never took his dumb bothsides speech seriously.

It's the cancer, he forgot that there was never regular order.

 

[whyamihere]

On the flip side, if we can't maintain status quo in the Senate and/or flip the House, we'll absolutely see ACA repeal in 2019.

Yup.

 

[Hopfrog]

McCain: "Best friend? More of an acquaintance really. In fact, I hardly know him."

 

[Ogodei]

Yep. No pressure on Rand

Btw we must win the house and/or Senate next year or else the ACA probably will finally be ripped apart

McCain won’t live forever

2019 would be a hard sell if the GOP couldn't get it done in 2017. Unless they make net *gains* in the Senate that give them more leverage, anyway. 2020 is a much harder election to face, and already we see some of the '18 crowd too scared to commit.

 

[Futurevoid]

Asked in the other thread but this also means that September 30th is their last day to use reconciliation for taxes as well right?

No. They need to pass another budget resolution for reconciliation on Tax Reform. It has to be part of the new budget.

 

[Vimes]

Honestly he's trying to lecture the right wing on compromise more than anything on that one. I get it. It was a one and done kind of quote, he didn't really lean into it like all the other things he said.

He's been repeating this dumb fabrication that "democrats rammed ACA in the dead of night" all year.

He could be coming off as a Moderate Hero right now and instead I'm pissed off because he's a liar.

 

[Basileus777]

The cycle with these failed bills is pretty hilarious. Remember when we had to look reality in the face and acknowledge that this bill was going to pass? Remember when Bernie was going ruin everything with a CNN debate?

 

[daedalius]

The cycle with these failed bills is pretty hilarious. Remember when we had to look reality in the face and acknowledge that this bill was going to pass? Remember when Bernie was going ruin everything with a CNN debate?

Are they even going to have this stupid tv debate now?

Please no.

 

[Valhelm]

Really terrifying to think about Jan Brewer's boy Doug Ducey nominating some Republican to serve for six years after McCain bites it

2016 was close enough in AZ that there's gotta be some chance for a Democrat to beat Flake, right? His approval rating is dismal

 

[Suikoguy]

That's actually a more measured response from McCain than last time.

Kinda surprised.

 

[nature boy]

So the CNN town hall is kinda pointless now.

 

[balladofwindfishes]

Really terrifying to think about Jan Brewer's boy Doug Ducey nominating some Republican to serve for six years after McCain bites it

2016 was close enough in AZ that there's gotta be some chance for a Democrat to beat Flake, right? His approval rating is dismal

McCain's replacement doesn't serve 6 years, he just finishes McCain's term

 

[Basileus777]

McCain's replacement doesn't serve 6 years, he just finishes McCain's term

He wouldn't even serve that, just until a special election would be held.

 

[BigJonsson]

So the CNN town hall is kinda pointless now.

I'm sure Bernie sanders would still love that platform if no one else went

 

[Futurevoid]

Are they even going to have this stupid tv debate now?

Please no.

Why not at this point?

Graham: "This bill will finally give the states the flexibility to innovate. Taking healthcare choices out of Washington and putting them back into the hands of state Governors who know their constituents more than the swamp does"

Sanders: "Senator, we know this is a partisan exercise to pass some form of health legislation before the September 30th deadline. Even your close friend John McCain won't be voting for this bill because of the damage it would do to millions of Americans."

Moderator:

*roll credits*

 

[Y2Kev]

McCain will change his mind after Bernie flops during the debate.

 

[Y2Kev]

Ducking Bernie is ruining the popularity of Nancy Ann Ceanci Pelsoi

 

[Basileus777]

McCain will change his mind after Bernie flops during the debate.

Bernie will do so badly that Bernie will be the 50th vote for Graham-Cassidy.

 

[StopMakingSense]

Really terrifying to think about Jan Brewer's boy Doug Ducey nominating some Republican to serve for six years after McCain bites it

2016 was close enough in AZ that there's gotta be some chance for a Democrat to beat Flake, right? His approval rating is dismal

McCain's replacement doesn't serve 6 years, he just finishes McCain's term

Senate appointments typically only serve till the next statewide general election.(Depends on state but none allow for a full term)

 

[StopMakingSense]

Bernie will do so badly that Bernie will be the 50th vote for Graham-Cassidy.

Bernie heard that quote from the insurance guy about the vote being the fastest track towards enacting single payer and jump on Slim Picken's style.

 

[Kusagari]

Ducey will nominate GAF's favorite congresswoman from Arizona, Martha McSally, to replace McCain.

 

[Y2Kev]

I won't vote for single payer because the tax mechanism on page 196 is unrealistic

FUCKING BERNIE spiking the ball for no ducking reason Jesus Christ Bernie

 

[Valhelm]

McCain's replacement doesn't serve 6 years, he just finishes McCain's term

Right, but I don't think McCain is going to serve the majority of his term

I guess we'll all be better off if he somehow survives to 2022

 

[zchen]

McCain killing the repeal both times kind of reminds me of the end of Mr. Smith Goes to Washington when Jimmy Stewart's filibuster was failing because he got exhausted, and only ended up victorious on appropriations bill because Senator Paine found his conscience. In both situations it really came down on the guy on the other side to come around...

 

[DrForester]

McCain gets credit on October 1. I don't trust him.

 

[BlastProcessing]

So the CNN town hall is kinda pointless now.

A pointless town hall is more on brand for CNN anyway.

 

[Spoiled Milk]

Why do we venerate a movie about political temper tantrums

 

[Ogodei]

He wouldn't even serve that, just until a special election would be held.

Yup. Shot at a twofer in Arizona in 2018. Go from McCain and Flake to Sinema and Grijalva or something.

 

[Randolph Freelander]

2019 would be a hard sell if the GOP couldn't get it done in 2017. Unless they make net *gains* in the Senate that give them more leverage, anyway. 2020 is a much harder election to face, and already we see some of the '18 crowd too scared to commit.

Decent chance they will make gains, given the number of seats Ds will be defending versus those for the Rs.

 

[Teggy]

Trump is going to blow his top at this rally tonight.

 

[VendettaRed07]

On the flip side, if we can't maintain status quo in the Senate and/or flip the House, we'll absolutely see ACA repeal in 2019.

Yes

So people need to get off the "2018 isn't winnable" train. We fuckin better win big or else we will be fucked. Holding or even gaining seats in some areas given everything that has happened will be taken as a mandate and they will feel invincible because of it. It will be an absolute disaster if we don't make them pay significantly for what they have been attempting

 

[Valhelm]

Trump is going to blow his top at this rally tonight.

hopefully the exertion kills him

 

[Y2Kev]

CNN says not dead yet

 

[BlastProcessing]

Why do we venerate a movie about political temper tantrums

Because there are few things people love more than a socially acceptable temper tantrum.

 

[kirblar]

CNN says not dead yet

(because they lose ratings if they admit that, just like if they admit to a candidate being dead a month into the primaries)

 

[kadotsu]

CNN says not dead yet

The bill or their monday programming?

 

[ItWasMeantToBe19]

We're running against Kelli Ward, Dean Heller, and a new Senator from Arizona in 2018.

There's chances for gains here.

 

[benicillin]

CNN says not dead yet

Who would tune in to their town hall if they didn't.

 

[Zukkoyaki]

CNN says not dead yet

Or that they don't want it to be dead?