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Diablos said:
Happy Birthday Stevens! Hahahahaaaaa.

Most importantly, this keeps Failin' Palin from having her way with the AK Senate seat.
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:lol :lol :lol

I'm drunk and this is great news to see when I come here on this night. Fuck Stevens, so happy he lost.
 
Diablos said:
Happy Birthday Stevens! Hahahahaaaaa.

Most importantly, this keeps Failin' Palin from having her way with the AK Senate seat.
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Yeah, its a two-fer. Stevens loses And any attempts by Palin to get out of her Alaska quarantine via the Senate are shut down!

And good luck keeping the Alaskans happy Palin now that you've made a fool of yourself in front of the entire country and oil is down to $56/barrel.
 
Shaheed79 said:
If Obama does even one rally there, then it's as good as gold but he won't because it would look way too partisan.
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I read that Bill Clinton is supposed to be down there at some point for a rally. Will that help?
 
besada said:
I read that Bill Clinton is supposed to be down there at some point for a rally. Will that help?
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In terms of rallying the African American vote in Fulton and metro areas, probably not. It can't hurt though.
 
speculawyer said:
Yeah, its a two-fer. Stevens loses And any attempts by Palin to get out of her Alaska quarantine via the Senate are shut down!

And good luck keeping the Alaskans happy Palin now that you've made a fool of yourself in front of the entire country and oil is down to $56/barrel.
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I was a bit scared when gas prices were crazy high that the Republicans were going to be able to make hay with all that drilling bullshit but the gas gods were on our side this time...
 
The Lamonster said:
I would hit it with all my might.
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JCreasy said:
Awesome pics here . . .

Obama's Life With The Secret Service (SLIDESHOW)

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/11/18/obamas-life-with-the-secr_n_144741.html
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Presidents and their families quickly learn that even trips to the bathroom come with security precautions. Lyndon Johnson, never very subtle, had perhaps the most direct way of expressing his frustration. Once, after pulling his car over to the side of the road for a pit stop, agents quickly surrounded him as he relieved himself. A sudden breeze prompted one agent to alert the president, "Sir, you're pissing on my leg." Johnson, not budging, replied, "I know. That's my prerogative."
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:lol
 
speculawyer said:
Yeah, its a two-fer. Stevens loses And any attempts by Palin to get out of her Alaska quarantine via the Senate are shut down!

And good luck keeping the Alaskans happy Palin now that you've made a fool of yourself in front of the entire country and oil is down to $56/barrel.
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80% approval.

Chill the fuck out.

She's got this.
 
So uh, i was listening to democracy now yesterday and they brought up some interesting points about obama's intelligence transition team, namely that John Brennan and jami Miscik are heading it up. The two were also some of the largest backers of Tenet and Bush's policies of rendition and torture. As much as I have liked what Ive seen out of obama so far, these guys ( and girl) have me a little worried:


MELVIN GOODMAN: OK. John Brennan was deputy executive secretary to George Tenet during the worst violations during the CIA period in the run-up to the Iraq war, so he sat there at Tenet’s knee when they passed judgment on torture and abuse, on extraordinary renditions, on black sites, on secret prisons. He was part of all of that decision making.

Jami Miscik was the Deputy Director for Intelligence during the run-up to the Iraq war. So she went along with the phony intelligence estimate of October 2002, the phony white paper that was prepared by Paul Pillar in October 2002. She helped with the drafting of the speech that Colin Powell gave to the United Nations—[inaudible] 2003, which made the phony case for war to the international community.

So, when George Tenet said, "slam dunk, we can provide all the intelligence you need,” [inaudible] to the President in December of 2002, it was people like Jami Miscik and John Brennan who were part of the team who provided that phony intelligence. So what I think people at the CIA are worried about—and I’ve talked to many of them over the weekend—is that there will never be any accountability for these violations and some of the unconscionable acts committed at the CIA, which essentially amount to war crimes, when you’re talking about torture and abuse and secret prisons. So, where are we, in terms of change? This sounds like more continuity.
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After a clip plays of Brennan defending extraordinary rendition:
MELVIN GOODMAN: Well, John Brennan is being completely dishonest there. All of the operational people I’ve talked to know that the people who were turned over to the Arab intelligence services—and remember, this is Egypt, this is Syria, this is Jordan, this is Saudi Arabia—that all of these foreign intelligence services commit torture and abuse. Now, if any of these suspects had anything to say to us that was of any utility, we would have kept them. We would have controlled these people. They would have become our sources and our assets. When we turned them over, we were turning over people who we felt had very little to offer, and we were turning over them to them, to the Arab liaison services for torture and abuse.

John Brennan has defended the warrantless eavesdropping. John Brennan has basically defended all of the violations that were committed at the CIA in the run-up to the war and in the postwar period. So the signal this sends to CIA employees who tried to get it right—and there were a few who tried to get it right—is the worst kind of signal. And if this is Obama’s judgment about a national security team, it’s very reminiscent of what Bill Clinton did in 1993, when he appointed people such as Jim Woolsey and Les Aspin and Warren Christopher and Tony Lake to the national security positions, and all of them had to be removed before the first term was over. So this is very disquieting, what we’re learning now.
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And now, for Obama to turn around, put Jami Miscik back in the CIA in transition and Brennan in the transition process, and then you look at people such as the former deputy to Tenet, John McLaughlin, who is also an intelligence adviser, and Rob Richer, who was a key operations adviser, who was the deputy to Jose Rodriguez, who is now being investigated by the Justice Department for the illegal destruction of the torture tapes, you know, you have to wonder, who is Obama relying on for advice on the Washington community?
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http://www.democracynow.org/2008/11/17/obama_taps_ex_cia_officials_tied

there is audio and a full transcript at the link. I really think it begs some pretty interesting questions. They also go on to say that it is known that Obama's reversal on FISA was in part due to advice from Brennan.
 
Jonm1010 said:
So uh, i was listening to democracy now yesterday and they brought up some interesting points about obama's intelligence transition team, namely that John Brennan and jami Miscik are heading it up. The two were also some of the largest backers of Tenet and Bush's policies of rendition and torture. As much as I have liked what Ive seen out of obama so far, these guys ( and girl) have me a little worried:
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http://www.democracynow.org/2008/11/17/obama_taps_ex_cia_officials_tied

there is audio and a full transcript at the link. I really think it begs some pretty interesting questions. They also go on to say that it is known that Obama's reversal on FISA was in part due to advice from Brennan.
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I'm not going to lie, that is disheartening. Obama's FISA vote remains a big sticking point with me, and what you posted only amplifies some of the creeping doubts I have about the flip side of an Obama administration. Now before anyone pounces on me I'm not trying to "concern troll" or anything like that, but it's already clear that some of the concessions Obama will make in pursuit of post-partisan cooperation aren't going to sit well with me, especially when they're of this nature. I don't think he has the will or temperament to weed out and hold accountable the people involved in some of the more unsavory dealings of the Bush administration, which rubs me the wrong way. There are some poison strands of thought in our government that need to purged and brought to justice, and I just don't see it happening under Obama.
 
Hmm. I just read the Nate interview with Ziegler..

And i looked at the zogby poll (PDF).
In the questions that people couldn't answer, 40-60% of the responses were NS. What does that mean? (Nate Silver? :lol )
 
What is up with the conservative talk shows bitching about Obama having Clinton folk in his cabinet. Didn't Bush Jr. have his fathers people in his cabinet?
 
TiVo said:
What is up with the conservative talk shows bitching about Obama having Clinton folk in his cabinet. Didn't Bush Jr. have his fathers people in his cabinet?
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Clinton people were pretty corrupt though. Thank god we had a Republican congress to keep them in check.
 
Hagel says it isn't appeasment to talk to your enemies. Hagel says America doesn't need to be afraid of the French. Hagel is just too damn awesome and I will cry if he's not Obama's SoS.
 
http://www.news4jax.com/politics/18006929/detail.html

234 HILARY CLINTON
174 RON PAUL
23 NONE OF THE ABOVE
23 JESUS
21 MIKE HUCKABEE
14 MITT ROMNEY
8 COLIN POWELL
6 GOD
6 LEFT BLANK
5 UNDECIDED
4 AL GORE
4 BISHOP V.M. MCLAUGHLEN
4 FRED THOMPSON
4 OBAMA
4 RUDY GIULLIANI
4 STEVEN COLBERT
3 DONALD DUCK
3 DONALD FOY
3 MICKEY MOUSE
3 T. BOONE PICKENS
2 BILL COSBY
2 BILL McMILLON
2 BILL NYE
2 CHUCK NORRIS
2 CONDOLEEZA RICE
2 FRANK HARDEN
2 FRANKLIN GRAHAM
2 LOU DOBBS
2 PAGO POSSUM
2 SARAH PALIN
2 SEANATOR BROWNBACK
2 GARY BENZENBERG
2 GEORGE W BUSH
2 JOHN EDWARDS
2 LEE GODDARD
2 TIM TEBOW
Among those getting a single vote: Abstain, Against All, Alfred E. Newman, Bill Clinton, Bill O'Riely, Bill Richardson, Bobby Bowden, Bugs Bunny, May the best man win, Me, Morgan Freeman, Mr. Bill, Newt Gingwrich, None (Anarchy), Oprah, Pat Buchannan, Ralph Nader, Hilary Bush, Homer Simpson, Jay Plotkin, Jimmy Carter, Joe the Plumber, John Doe, Lieberman, Theodore Roosevelt, They Both Suck '08, Tiger Woods, Tommy Chong, Truman, Weird Al Yancovic, William Crosby and Willie Nelson.
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JACKSONVILLE, Fla. -- Some voters expecting to vote for Barack Obama or John McCain two weeks ago were surprised to see 11 other names on the ballot. But 736 voters in Duval County weren't happy with any of the choices and wrote in 191 other names.

Among the write in votes were those who really ran for president or vice-president during the long primary campaign: Sen. Hillary Clinton, Rep. Ron Paul, Mike Huckabee, Mitt Romney, Fred Thompson, Rudy Giuliani, Sarah Palin and even Steven Colbert.

George W. Bush got two votes to serve a third term.

Others getting multiple votes were Jesus, God, Donald Duck, Mickey Mouse, Tim Tebow and that perennial favorite, "None of the above."

Perhaps surprisingly, Joe the Plumber and John Doe only got one vote each, tying Bill Clinton, Theodore Roosevelt, Bill O'Riely, Tiger Woods, Bobby Bowden, Tommy Chong, Willie Nelson and Homer Simpson.

The only write-in votes that actually count are those who actually registered as write-in candidates. For this race, only Gary Nettles registered with the Florida Division of Elections. He got 932 votes in Duval County.

In releasing the write-in choices, Supervisor of Elections Jerry Holland's office said the option to write in their candidate of choice allows voters to express their feelings regarding a particular election.

Beyond the "none" choice, other voters wrote in "None (anarchy)," "They Both Suck '08," and "May the best man win."
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Why do people throw their votes away like that? But that's really funny that Hillary beat Jesus. IT'S A SIGN, BARACK.
 
polyh3dron said:
oh shit MSNBC just said that Hillary may be turning down the Secretary of State position. THANK GOD. Go get 'em Kerry.
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A.) Nobody knows anything at the moment so I would easily discount whatever msnbc is saying.
B.) John Kerry seems unlikely imo to become sos.
 
Stoney Mason said:
A.) Nobody knows anything at the moment so I would easily discount whatever msnbc is saying.
B.) John Kerry seems unlikely imo to become sos.
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This is the same thing that happened during the VP sweepstakes. The media is just reporting everything they hear.
 
Fjolle said:
Hmm. I just read the Nate interview with Ziegler..

And i looked at the zogby poll (PDF).
In the questions that people couldn't answer, 40-60% of the responses were NS. What does that mean? (Nate Silver? :lol )
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Given that it was a multiple choice poll, I'd guess it stands for No Selection.
 
Jason's Ultimatum said:
Hagel says it isn't appeasment to talk to your enemies. Hagel says America doesn't need to be afraid of the French. Hagel is just too damn awesome and I will cry if he's not Obama's SoS.
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Is hagel under serious consideration for the job or is this a wishlist?
 
electricpirate said:
Is hagel under serious consideration for the job or is this a wishlist?
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Nobody knows for sure at this stage. Everybody is aware that Hagel is one of the more friendly Republicans to Obama and if he is going to put a couple in the cabinet, he seems to be a likely choice.
 
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