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[StoOgE]

He will always vote Democrat because he blames the great depression and all other economic problems on the GOP. Obama is where the whole 'rabid dog' thing came from.

It seems like your grandfather was playing on a popular saying.... Southern Democrats that would "vote for a yellow dog before they voted for a Republican".

It's the phrase where Yellow Dog Democrat (and subsequently blue dog) come from.

 

[thefit]

I suspect that many party leaders believe that McCain's problem is that he's not far enough to the right. I think they'll continue moving to the extreme [yet bastardized] right no matter what Obama does. Only after 2012 will they get their bearings and start embracing centrist populism messages.

Part of me wants to give an opinion on how or why they should reform but...why bother? Let them sink then:lol

 

[super metroid]

I'm not tying to pick a fight with anyone. I don't even know what point you're trying to make?

MY point, on the other hand, is crystal clear. Those getting offended by the racist comments in these videos are frequently the same people making "inbred" jokes about the people *in* those videos.

It makes me facepalm, every time.

That's it.

I don't care about you specifically, or anyone else specifically.

In that case, you probably shouldn't have accused those arguing with you of "preaching to the choir"

 

[agrajag]

I'm not tying to pick a fight with anyone. I don't even know what point you're trying to make?

MY point, on the other hand, is crystal clear. Those getting offended by the racist comments in these videos are frequently the same people making "inbred" jokes about the people *in* those videos.

It makes me facepalm, every time.

That's it.

I don't care about you specifically, or anyone else specifically.

It's a culture war, mang.

 

[Fox318]

Michigan, which is why I'm not really torn up about it.

 

[TDG]

I don't even know what point you're trying to make?

My point was only that you had an interesting change in you post, where you quoted someone who was calling racist people in a video "probably inbred," then accused him of stereotyping all hardcore republicans as inbreds. Racist people in a video to hardcore Republicans just seemed like a strange leap for you to make, considering you were upset about stereotyping, that's all.

MY point, on the other hand, is crystal clear. Those getting offended by the racist comments in these videos are frequently the same people making "inbred" jokes about the people *in* those videos.

Your point was less than crystal clear to me, since you made the strange leap from "a few racists in a video" to "all hardcore republicans." It further confused me when you accused me of being one of the people making inbred jokes.

NOW you've made your point clear, and I agree. It's hypocritical, and insensitive, and they shouldn't do it. I'm on your side pal, I just didn't like the exaggeration you made there, nor did I appreciate your accusation (which stereotyped me in the same manner that you've been complaining about people stereotyping people. :lol You've been consumed by the very bullshit you were trying to fight.)

 

[SpeedingUptoStop]

I was wondering what took you so long:lol

 

[ryutaro's mama]

MISSOURI: McCain leads Obama by 1 point

Where Missouri goes, so goes the Presidency...

Except once...

 

[ryutaro's mama]

And this is why the end of this election cycle will be bittersweet.

I love PoliGAF!!

 

[Speevy]

Where Missouri goes, so goes the Presidency...

Except once...

That time when the black man was winning all those other states?

 

[GhaleonEB]

can these early-voting numbers serve as a sample of a state's population? is it viable to use these to project a winner?

Not really. A pessimistic approach would be to say that Obama supporters are just more enthusiastic, and thus dominating the early voting, but it won't matter if enough McCain supporters show up on election day.

But the changes from 2004, where Republicans voted early more than Democrats and the demographic swings (youth, gender, race) all favor Obama by large margins.

I also think huge early voting will help reduce lines on election day, and help get more people to the polls.

 

[Imm0rt4l]

:lol

 

[PhoenixDark]

I don't see how the party moves to the center before the next Presidential election, and even then that is assuming that the GOP goes for "electability" and can choke down their own special blend of crazy. The elected Republicans that will be left in Washington after this election are cut from the lunatic fringe-we'll see guys like Pence and Cantor running the House, who knows what in the Senate if McConnell survives. They will believe that Bush did them in since he failed conservatism and keep up their old, irrelevant ideas into the next election.

Where they will be reamed once again by superior Dem fundrasing, retirements, and a bad slate of Senators to defend. Even if the economy sucks I seriously doubt an electorate that will have likely thown out 80+ congressional Republicans over the last four years after this election will suddenly say "oh, those dudes weren't so bad!" if they have no new ideas or a new agenda.

True, true

Assuming Obama wins this year: 2012 is going to be all about righting the wrong of 2008: nominating a candidate who unites the party and doesn't need the help of a VP to excite the base. The primaries are going to come down to a battle between the various faction of the GOP fighting for supremacy - be it the religious fanatics (Palin) or the extremist conservatives (Romney). No matter who it is I'd expect more hyper nationalism with a mix of "Take the White House back wink wink" tomfoolery that will only solidify western states like CO/NM/NV as blue states.

They won't learn their lesson for awhile considering whichever of the party loses the primaries will simply cry that they shoulda been the contender. Which is why I'd love to see the religious fanatic faction win the right to be beat down in 2012 (assuming Obama doesn't fuck up).

Palin 2012 indeed, and thank god I live in an open primary state so I can vote for her

 

[ryutaro's mama]

That time when the black man was winning all those other states?

Teh Bradleez Effeczorz am confirmed total.

 

[Ether_Snake]

:lol :lol :lol

 

[Fragamemnon]

Palin 2012 indeed, and thank god I live in an open primary state so I can vote for her

Even if I could do so in a primary, I could never vote for Sarah Palin. Even if it was solely to hand the GOP a nice cup of hemlock, the act of voting for her is just that repugnant.

 

[Cloudy]

Watch this and send it to all your buddies:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsT8fmWRlIk

 

[Fox318]

Just found this on FartofWar's twitter:

http://joinrudy2012.com/

 

[Guts Of Thor]

i got some disappointing news today: my grandpa, who has voted straight democrat his whole life, didn't vote for Obama because he's a socialist.


:-/

Earlier my dad and I were talking about how the massive Democratic voter doesn't necessarily mean an Obama victory. I mean what if a large part of those Democrats are going out and voting McCain?

I know people from my extended family who have voted Democratic all their life and are hell bent on making sure Obama doesn't win.

Someone hold me.

 

[ryutaro's mama]

Watch this and send it to all your buddies:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsT8fmWRlIk

That was ill.

 

[Fragamemnon]

Earlier my dad and I were talking about how the massive Democratic voter doesn't necessarily mean an Obama victory. I mean what if a large part of those Democrats are going out and voting McCain?

If this was happening, we'd be seeing in the polls. What's actually happened since around the DNC is that Obama is consolidating support among Democratic voters very well.

 

[border]

For the people predicting disharmony and doom & gloom for the Republicans, what do you think would be the net effect of another major terrorist attack on US soil? Another hard swing to the right? Or would Obama get the same bump Bush did, where it was just some phony line about "You have to stand behind our president in these difficult times"?

I would never want anything like that to happen, but I'm kind of curious if we'd still see the post 9-11 patriotism if a Democrat were in the White House.

 

[besada]

For the people predicting disharmony and doom & gloom for the Republicans, what do you think would be the net effect of another major terrorist attack on US soil? Another hard swing to the right? Or would Obama get the same bump Bush did, where it was just some phony line about "You have to stand behind our president in these difficult times"?

I would never want anything like that to happen, but I'm kind of curious if we'd still see the post 9-11 patriotism if a Democrat were in the White House.

I think people would get to see how adults respond to a crisis. The previous administration could not have fucked their response up worse, so I'm not that worried about comparisons.

 

[JaMarco]

Earlier my dad and I were talking about how the massive Democratic voter doesn't necessarily mean an Obama victory. I mean what if a large part of those Democrats are going out and voting McCain?

I know people from my extended family who have voted Democratic all their life and are hell bent on making sure Obama doesn't win.

Someone hold me.

yea, for some reason i have a bad feeling somethings gunna go horribly wrong in the 4th

 

[ElectricBlue187]

For the people predicting disharmony and doom & gloom for the Republicans, what do you think would be the net effect of another major terrorist attack on US soil? Another hard swing to the right? Or would Obama get the same bump Bush did, where it was just some phony line about "You have to stand behind our president in these difficult times"?

I would never want anything like that to happen, but I'm kind of curious if we'd still see the post 9-11 patriotism if a Democrat were in the White House.

Of course we would. People come together for a common enemy, politics cease to matter. We have this phenomenon to thank for the Patriot Act.

The republicans will be fine in the long haul, what some posters on PoliGAF fail to realize is that both parties need each other to stay relevant. If the Republican party suddenly was no more, there would be less of a reason to support a Democratic party.

 

[StoOgE]

Just found this on FartofWar's twitter:

http://joinrudy2012.com/

looks like donations are going towards retiring 08 debt

 

[Haunted]

Watch this and send it to all your buddies:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsT8fmWRlIk

Ah nice, I was looking for this guy's videos and couldn't remember the name of his channel. Thanks.

 

[Mumei]

PoliGAF wonks / other reasonable well-informed people:

I saw this, and I wasn't sure how true it was:

Uhh, SS doesn't actually work that well. Within a decade it will actually be paying out more than it takes in. All of the surplus that SS has earned has been given to the treasury to pay for stuff like our massive defense budget, health care, etc. The only way SS gets it back is if the government raises taxes later. The system is crap, and you clearly don't have a clue how it works. You obviously don't realize that the baby boomers are going into retirement and they are such a large group of people that SS will have to pay more than it ever has before. You also are completely unaware, it seems, of the fact that there will be less money being put into SS as the baby boomers retire because the birth rate has declines in the US. The system has ten good years then it'll fall apart, and by the time anyone here is ready to retire it'll be completely bankrupt.​

Obviously out of context, but are the claims essentially correct or incorrect?

 

[Crayon Shinchan]

Earlier my dad and I were talking about how the massive Democratic voter doesn't necessarily mean an Obama victory. I mean what if a large part of those Democrats are going out and voting McCain?

I know people from my extended family who have voted Democratic all their life and are hell bent on making sure Obama doesn't win.

Someone hold me.

And yet, Obama has the highest support among white males for any democratic candidate since LBJ.

So, chill out.

 

[The Blue Jihad]

Replace Giants with Jets and you have a point. Come on dude, they won a Superbowl last year.

Replace Jets with Eagles.

 

[PhoenixDark]

Watch this and send it to all your buddies:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsT8fmWRlIk

That dude is awesome. One of my favorite Obama vids
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LBh9c8cuthQ :lol

 

[Ether_Snake]

PoliGAF wonks / other reasonable well-informed people:

I saw this, and I wasn't sure how true it was:

Uhh, SS doesn't actually work that well. Within a decade it will actually be paying out more than it takes in. All of the surplus that SS has earned has been given to the treasury to pay for stuff like our massive defense budget, health care, etc. The only way SS gets it back is if the government raises taxes later. The system is crap, and you clearly don't have a clue how it works. You obviously don't realize that the baby boomers are going into retirement and they are such a large group of people that SS will have to pay more than it ever has before. You also are completely unaware, it seems, of the fact that there will be less money being put into SS as the baby boomers retire because the birth rate has declines in the US. The system has ten good years then it'll fall apart, and by the time anyone here is ready to retire it'll be completely bankrupt.​

Obviously out of context, but are the claims essentially correct or incorrect?

Not sure but yes Social Security is a doomed system, anywhere for that matter.

 

[Boogie]

I think people would get to see how adults respond to a crisis. The previous administration could not have fucked their response up worse, so I'm not that worried about comparisons.

Sure they could have. They could have initiated a disproportional response immediately following the attacks. I think that the original response to the 9/11 attacks were fairly restrained and reasonable. Things just fell apart when the focus shifted away from Afghanistan.

 

[border]

Signs Pointing to a McCain Victory

The "Democrats voting for McCain" theory is already being floated, though to me it smacks of a desperate attempt to keep reality from setting in. "Bu-bu-but there are blogs and organizations devoted to Democrats for McCain!" Well shit, it's not like there aren't blogs and organizations devoted to Republicans for Obama and *gasp* Democrats for Obama.

 

[armubaba]

I know PoliGAF moves insanely fast, but I just came across this an hour or so ago. Pretty fucking insane.

Once again, sorry if old.

 

[Father_Brain]

Signs Pointing to a McCain Victory

The "Democrats voting for McCain" theory is already being floated, though to me it smacks of a desperate attempt to keep reality from setting in. "Bu-bu-but there are blogs and organizations devoted to Democrats for McCain!" Well shit, it's not like there aren't blogs and organizations devoted to Republicans for Obama and *gasp* Democrats for Obama.

There are few people on the right I can think of, save Kathryn Jean Lopez, who have grasped at straws as desperately and pathetically as Warshawsky. The schadenfreude on Nov. 5 from those two will be particularly enjoyable.

 

[StoOgE]

PoliGAF wonks / other reasonable well-informed people:

I saw this, and I wasn't sure how true it was:

Uhh, SS doesn't actually work that well. Within a decade it will actually be paying out more than it takes in. All of the surplus that SS has earned has been given to the treasury to pay for stuff like our massive defense budget, health care, etc. The only way SS gets it back is if the government raises taxes later. The system is crap, and you clearly don't have a clue how it works. You obviously don't realize that the baby boomers are going into retirement and they are such a large group of people that SS will have to pay more than it ever has before. You also are completely unaware, it seems, of the fact that there will be less money being put into SS as the baby boomers retire because the birth rate has declines in the US. The system has ten good years then it'll fall apart, and by the time anyone here is ready to retire it'll be completely bankrupt.​

Obviously out of context, but are the claims essentially correct or incorrect?

Social Security is not doomed as in "its going to fail in 10 years".

Social Security is currently funded through 2050 in a worse case scenario.

What they will likely win up doing is either

1) Raising the cap on payroll taxes (you only pay into social security for the first 98K dollars you make, they could raise that to 110K, etc).

2) Raise the age limit for full benefits from 67 to 69.

Either one of those would more or less put an end to the crisis.

Social Security is not going away, there will be some incrimintal changes like there have been in the past.

 

[Gruco]

PoliGAF wonks / other reasonable well-informed people:

I saw this, and I wasn't sure how true it was:

Uhh, SS doesn't actually work that well. Within a decade it will actually be paying out more than it takes in. All of the surplus that SS has earned has been given to the treasury to pay for stuff like our massive defense budget, health care, etc. The only way SS gets it back is if the government raises taxes later. The system is crap, and you clearly don't have a clue how it works. You obviously don't realize that the baby boomers are going into retirement and they are such a large group of people that SS will have to pay more than it ever has before. You also are completely unaware, it seems, of the fact that there will be less money being put into SS as the baby boomers retire because the birth rate has declines in the US. The system has ten good years then it'll fall apart, and by the time anyone here is ready to retire it'll be completely bankrupt.​

Obviously out of context, but are the claims essentially correct or incorrect?

Basically, the person who wrote that suffers from the typical misunderstanding with SS - cash flow vs. plan asset balance.

That said the cash flow issues he brings up are largely true. Social Security has been operating at a surplus for years (and is in that sense one of the healthiest government programs), and reinvesting the proceeds in US Treasuries to raise plan assets. Effectively this means to the social security trust has been offsetting the massive shortfalls in the general fund. Now, where he goes wrong is that the bonds will become due, and the general fund must meet or float or default (the latter of which is illegal).

Basically, when people talk about the SS trust going bankrupt in ten years, it's one of the most disgusting comments imaginable because they're essentially saying that regressive payroll taxes should by rights be expected to overpay to augment the general fund, but the idea of the general fund operating at a surplus to relay it's obligations to the Social Security trust is evil and should never be done.

Furthemore the actuarial valuations for social security have historically been very conservative, however based on recent events I'm sure it's not looking so hot.

But the important point is that the short term crisis is a crisis of the general fund.

 

[TheKingsCrown]

Social Security is not doomed as in "its going to fail in 10 years".

Social Security is currently funded through 2050 in a worse case scenario.

What they will likely win up doing is either

1) Raising the cap on payroll taxes (you only pay into social security for the first 98K dollars you make, they could raise that to 110K, etc).

2) Raise the age limit for full benefits from 67 to 69.

Either one of those would more or less put an end to the crisis.

Social Security is not going away, there will be some incrimintal changes like there have been in the past.

This is where I viciously differ from both Democrats, Republicans and old people. I want the social security system destroyed, incrementally, over a couple generations of people. People today should have to create their own future security, and the amount they pay to seniors today and tomorrow should slowly be decreased over the next 10-30 years.

 

[Crayon Shinchan]

Of course we would. People come together for a common enemy, politics cease to matter. We have this phenomenon to thank for the Patriot Act.

The republicans will be fine in the long haul, what some posters on PoliGAF fail to realize is that both parties need each other to stay relevant. If the Republican party suddenly was no more, there would be less of a reason to support a Democratic party.

Of course we need to have two parties. More preferably.

But the republican party cannot, should not exist in its current form.

We'll always need an anchor on the otherside so that we don't tilt too far into the inefficient side of socialism. At the same time, as republicans are, they've brought the country too far into the inefficient side of capitalism.

They need to be more fact and result based. It's good that we have people to bat for a conservative point of view... not all change is good, and even good change can be painful, so we need to have a point of view that can help moderate and mitigate the ill effects.

But the reality is... the republican party isn't a conservative party. They're not fighting the interests of the people, but for the select interests of a few. They've gone so far and twisted and distorted the message to Americans to the point, where terms like liberalism, socialism, etc, are demonised words.

Change is needed, not only for the country, but also for the republicans... if they can honestly learn from their mistakes and understand they need to bat for the needs of the people, then it may well be the best long term change to happen to the country.

 

[Cloudy]

That dude is awesome. One of my favorite Obama vids
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LBh9c8cuthQ :lol

I like this one too

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MewhhStuLI4

:lol

 

[border]

Has anyone listened to the current episode of This American Life? How is it?

#367 - Ground Game: This American Life goes to Pennsylvania to figure out why, and how, John McCain and Barack Obama both think they can win there. And we get to know the ordinary people who’ve become the candidates’ most forceful foot soldiers.

There are few people on the right I can think of, save Kathryn Jean Lopez, who have grasped at straws as desperately and pathetically as Warshawsky. The schadenfreude on Nov. 5 from those two will be particularly enjoyable.

I have never really heard of these two pundits before. Got any entertaining straw-grasping articles from Lopez or Warshawsky?

 

[Ether_Snake]

Social Security is not doomed as in "its going to fail in 10 years".

Social Security is currently funded through 2050 in a worse case scenario.

What they will likely win up doing is either

1) Raising the cap on payroll taxes (you only pay into social security for the first 98K dollars you make, they could raise that to 110K, etc).

2) Raise the age limit for full benefits from 67 to 69.

Either one of those would more or less put an end to the crisis.

Social Security is not going away, there will be some incrimintal changes like there have been in the past.

But the problem is the return on cost.

 

[besada]

This is where I viciously differ from both Democrats, Republicans and old people. I want the social security system destroyed, incrementally, over a couple generations of people. People today should have to create their own future security, and the amount they pay to seniors today and tomorrow should slowly be decreased over the next 10-30 years.

Terrible idea. The first market crash to come along wipes out an entire generation of old people. And considering the amount people have paid into the system, it's not going to happen.

 

[JzeroT1437]

Social Security is not doomed as in "its going to fail in 10 years".

Social Security is currently funded through 2050 in a worse case scenario.

What they will likely win up doing is either

1) Raising the cap on payroll taxes (you only pay into social security for the first 98K dollars you make, they could raise that to 110K, etc).

2) Raise the age limit for full benefits from 67 to 69.

Either one of those would more or less put an end to the crisis.

Social Security is not going away, there will be some incrimintal changes like there have been in the past.

Christ. They better go with the first one. I don't want to have to wait till I'm 70 to retire.

 

[TheKingsCrown]

Terrible idea. The first market crash to come along wipes out an entire generation of old people. And considering the amount people have paid into the system, it's not going to happen.

No. Not a terrible idea. I am tired of fucking paying for those who didn't plan for their retirement. The amount taken out of my checks for social security is egregious. As a depression era initiative I can understand it, but I don't understand it anymore. I should at least be able to opt out somehow.

 

[ryutaro's mama]

That illDoctrine video got me thinking:

This false sense of security is bad.

Obama being out in the polls is bad IF it causes large amounts of people to indeed sit out the vote thinking it's a wrap...

It would be AWESOME if this was included in the Obama Special.

 

[GhaleonEB]

Christ. They better go with the first one. I don't want to have to wait till I'm 70 to retire.

That's Obama's plan. He's been talking about it for a year.

(He actually skips up to $200k per person or $250k per household, so there's a hole between the current level and that. Politics and all.)

Saw this at Kos and had a good laugh:

"landslide diagram"

 

[XiaNaphryz]

 

[besada]

No. Not a terrible idea. I am tired of fucking paying for those who didn't plan for their retirement. The amount taken out of my checks for social security is egregious. As a depression era initiative I can understand it, but I don't understand it anymore. I should at least be able to opt out somehow.

Wah, get over it. Part of being in a society is paying to help others. It's for your own good. People with no money become a huge drag on the economy. This is the fundamental idiocy of America, this denial that there's a cost for letting people fall through the cracks.