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[M3wThr33]

Regardless, Bush won. I was wondering more about having to get up on stage and eat crow, not be bitter.

 

[reilo]

<3 you Bams.

What a great day today was.

 

[MetatronM]

It got bad for Kerry only shortly before the election. The Swiftboat Veterans for Peace shit did him in pretty quick.

The Swiftboat business actually began near the end of the primary season and really kicked into high gear during August. So you had basically had all of September and October of the swiftboat nonsense eating away at him. Simply put, the negative stuff started early, stayed consistent on one or two major things (swift boat vets, flip-flopping), and got constant attention for a loooooooong time.

McCain's campaign, by contrast, has been trying to jump from negative talking point to negative talking point, just long enough on each to find out that they aren't making massive changes to the status quo in the short term before they move on to the next. They've been inconsistent, all over the place, and grasping at straws. If they had found this Joe the Plumber stuff and particularly the "socialist" angle two months ago and then stuck with it all the way to the election, things might be very very different right now.

That's really the big difference between why negative attacks worked on Kerry and not on Obama. Well, that and the fact that Obama has way way way way waaaaay more natural charisma than Kerry did and can more easily weather such attacks.

 

[LCGeek]

Man,

As a test of my will and endurance, I just came from a 3-hour debate session in the Hannity.com forums. No plans to change minds, but there is something exhilarating about reducing conservatives to personal insults and idiotic arguments.

I'm spent. Hold me gaf

:lol :lol :lol

I'm surprised you had the patience for that. If anything there's a certain level of enjoyment from fuckin with people's perceptions to get that out of them.

 

[M3wThr33]

I tried making sense of Hannity.com but my brain melted.

 

[GaimeGuy]

I tried making sense of Hannity.com but my brain melted.

and yet you're still posting here, despite no brain.

 

[reilo]

Campbell Brown: No Bias, No Bull

Really CNN? I like her as a commentator as much as anyone, but that's one dumbass title.

At least she got her own show now.

 

[Mad Hatter]

We can't let this happen.

 

[Red Scarlet]

We can't let this happen.

The lower newspaper would have to read Obama defeats McCain for it to be like the original picture (Harry Truman is the guy holding it up).

 

[Hitokage]

The lower newspaper would have to read Obama defeats McCain for it to be like the original picture.

It's double-irony!

 

[reilo]

The lower newspaper would have to read Obama defeats McCain for it to be like the original picture (Harry Truman is the guy holding it up).

Or it should be Obama's head on there instead of McCain's.

 

[3phemeral]

We can't let this happen.

Depends on how you're reading that. If you're taking it as a direct reference to that particular moment in history, then you would want it, because Dewey was prematurely listed as the winner when Truman won the election. So if that situation were to happen now, it'd be Obama holding up the Chicago Tribune erroneously listing McCain the winner.

 

[Red Scarlet]

It's double-irony!

So if he switched it to an Obama head, then it'd work! Did you see my map suggestion on the previous page Hito? That could be kind've cool/useful.

 

[vicissitudes]

Or it should be Obama's head on there instead of McCain's.

Bingo.

 

[Red Scarlet]

Or the poster knew it already and is using it as a McCain *SHOCK* at winning when he really lost!

 

[Mad Hatter]

lol, sorry, it's late

 

[Hitokage]

Or the poster knew it already and is using it as a McCain *SHOCK* at winning when he really lost!

That's what I meant.

 

[Son of Godzilla]

We can't let this happen.

Is better.

 

[Azure Dream]

http://my.barackobama.com/page/content/his-choice_ad/

Thank you very much!

The "rely on VP" quote followed by the Palin wink was harsh. :lol

 

[Nabs]

edit: nevermind

 

[Red Scarlet]

That's what I meant.

Well, sorry. I should be in bed.

Did you see my map suggestion?

 

[OpinionatedCyborg]

Hey, could someone link me to a site with polling data for the past several elections? You know, a site with those neat little graphs that show the oscillations in polling support? It would be much appreciated!

 

[artredis1980]

ZOGBY poll: Drudge is in a coma!

Obama 50.2 (+1.2)
McCain 43.3(-1.1)

http://zogby.com/

 

[AniHawk]

ZOGBY poll: Drudge is in a coma!

Obama 50.2 (+1.2)
McCain 43.3(-1.1)

http://zogby.com/

DEVELOP-HNNNNNGGGGGG

 

[Barrett2]

ZOGBY poll: Drudge is in a coma!

Obama 50.2 (+1.2)
McCain 43.3(-1.1)

http://zogby.com/

Drudge has already dealt with this by clearly stating that ALL polls are in doubt!

Which is a pathetic argument for conservatives to make right now, because if anything, the only thing pollsters IMO are underestimating is AA turnout and sheer outrage at the Bush Administration. McCain supporters who thinks he will lose are the group they have to worry about not showing up, IMO.

 

[syllogism]

CNN/TIME (Oct. 23-28)

Pennsylvania: Obama 55, McCain 43
North Carolina: Obama 52, McCain 46
Nevada: Obama 52, McCain 45
Ohio: Obama 51, McCain 47
Arizona: McCain 53, Obama 46

http://thepage.time.com/2008/10/30/more-battleground-numbers/

 

[GrotesqueBeauty]

What the hell, is this real?

http://gawker.com/5070765/huffington-post-writer-stabs-lover-222-times

 

[Jackl]

I don't know where the pollsters get the support for McCain to be honest. Maybe my anecdotal sample is isolated. But I used to live with pretty conservative crowd from the south/bible belt. Still keep tabs on them. No one approves of Bush or republicans anymore. Infact I'm pretty sure every incumbent in my old and new states are getting the boot. People are just plain pissed.

 

[AniHawk]

CNN/TIME (Oct. 23-28)

Pennsylvania: Obama 55, McCain 43
North Carolina: Obama 52, McCain 46
Nevada: Obama 52, McCain 45
Ohio: Obama 51, McCain 47
Arizona: McCain 53, Obama 46

http://thepage.time.com/2008/10/30/more-battleground-numbers/

Well I guess nothing's gonna go on in AZ. A false alarm like WV. Very encouraging numbers out of those other states, even if CNN isn't particularly rated highly on 538.

Ohio: O+2, M+3 (net McCain +1) - So it tightened by a point since over a week ago. However, it's kinda hard to win if you don't have 50% of the vote.

Pennsylvania: O+4, M-Even (net Obama +4) - Last poll was about five weeks ago. In that time, Obama's solidified a pretty nice looking lead there.

North Carolina: O+1, M-1 (net Obama +2) - Last poll was from the 20th.

Nevada: O+3, M+2 (net Obama +1) - Last poll from the 20th too. I think it's safe to say the state's pulling away in a similar fashion to how Colorado and Virginia were earlier in the year.

Anyway, it's pretty great that 4/5 have a 51+ win percentage. Hopefully it translates into actual votes by the time the polls close.

 

[Hootie]

DEVELOP-HNNNNNGGGGGG

 

[The Chosen One]

Scarbs has been teasing some poll that shows PA is tightening.

 

[Keio]

What the hell, is this real?

http://gawker.com/5070765/huffington-post-writer-stabs-lover-222-times

Seems to be, but not sure if this is relevant PoliGAF territory: http://www.palmbeachpost.com/localnews/content/local_news/epaper/2008/10/29/1029bbdeaths.html

Can't let this sully the hopium I'm riding after the 30 min hit...

 

[thefro]

Selzer & Co. has released its poll for Indiana:

10/29. Likely voters. MoE 4% (9/17 numbers)

Obama 46 (47)
McCain 45 (44)

Reading the Star this morning, if there's a huge turnout Obama's expected to win going away.

Most of the "somewhat likely to vote" group favors him strongly.

 

[ViperVisor]

God Damn Scarbs and the media Bullshit he represents.

Save me Chuck!

 

[syllogism]

Scarbs has been teasing some poll that shows PA is tightening.

It's NBC/Mason-dixon and has it at 47-43. It's an outlier, but even that margin would be comfortable.

 

[Kildace]

It's NBC/Mason-dixon and has it at 48-44. It's an outlier, but even that margin would be comfortable.

Especially given the slight Mason-Dixon Republican house effect.
God, so much knowledge accumulated over almost a year on everything related to the American election that will become useless overnight on Wednesday

 

[AniHawk]

It's NBC/Mason-dixon and has it at 48-44. It's an outlier, but even that margin would be comfortable.

Fun fact: The last Mason-Dixon poll of PA was from September 17th. It gave Obama a 2 point lead (46-44).

This was when the other polls were giving Obama a 5-6 point lead.

 

[Nabs]

oh my god, the hopium

"It's a lot easier to get Obama to 375 than it is to get McCain to 270" - Chuck Todd

they just spent the last 10 minutes trying to find a way

 

[ElectricBlue187]

Joe the Plumber is the perfect representation of the McCain campaign. I'll just leave it at that.

You mean how McCain is mainly supported by people who would be much better off during an Obama administration yet their visions of grandeur won't allow them to make cold rational decisions based on their well being?

 

[syllogism]

Morning Call PA tracker has Obama up by 13% today

 

[JoshuaJSlone]

When on Tuesday will the first polls close? That is, when will media outlets start feeling free to call them?

 

[AniHawk]

You mean how McCain is mainly supported by people who would be much better off during an Obama administration yet their visions of grandeur won't allow them to make cold rational decisions based on their well being?

Yeah. He's the hero they deserve, but not they need right now... so they'll hunt him, because he can take it. Because he's not their hero.

 

[Nabs]

When on Tuesday will the first polls close? That is, when will media outlets start feeling free to call them?

i think the earliest was 6-8p est in 04 but we'll have to see if there are any adjustments this time... the turnout will be monumental.

 

[Gadfly]

When on Tuesday will the first polls close? That is, when will media outlets start feeling free to call them?

I found this article very useful.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27397701/from/ET/

 

[DeaconKnowledge]

Christians, who apparently have never read the ten commandments, pray to a golden bull to save our country:

http://wonkette.com/403920/jesus-people-pray-that-false-idol-will-save-gods-economy

http://www.cbn.com/700club/guests/bios/cindy_jacobs102008.aspx

I know this is old, but I had to cut this down: They're not praying TO it, they're praying FOR it. It is a widely held belief that mass prayer can positively affect the world at large. criticize it all you want, but get it right at least.

 

[JoshuaJSlone]

I found this article very useful.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27397701/from/ET/

It's around 7 p.m. and...
Your first chance for playing political pundit comes early in the night, perhaps soon after the first round of polls close at 7 p.m. ET. (To simplify things, in this story all times are Eastern Time.)

Six states' polls close at this time, but you should pay particular attention to Indiana and Virginia.

Excellent. With my current schedule I usually get up in later evening, but I don't want to miss this.

 

[rSpooky]

I know this is old, but I had to cut this down: They're not praying TO it, they're praying FOR it.

I thought you were never supposed to ask God for wealth to begin with? (king solomon?)


Anyways .. On last nights infomercial, it was greatly production work, at one point my wife looks over at me and says " there are no commercials during this?" I replied" this IS the commercial" as she realized it herself at the same time. It just looked that much like some sort of documentary and for a moment she forgot.

 

[Tim the Wiz]

I know this is old, but I had to cut this down: They're not praying TO it, they're praying FOR it. It is a widely held belief that mass prayer can positively affect the world at large. criticize it all you want, but get it right at least.

The Bible has a lot to say about the folly of obsession over material wealth.

 

[Jason's Ultimatum]

Let's see if the noise dropped today. Can't wait for Ras's poll.

 

[greepoman]

Let's see if the noise dropped today. Can't wait for Ras's poll.

When does Ras usually come out?