Support NeoGAF

[goonergaz]

The "wait for" excuse gets old fast. We were told to wait for E3 and everyone got Wonderbook instead of Vita.

Yes this is true - I was disappointed - however calling the Vita dead after 6 mths is also getting old fast, we've had one E3 with only the worlds biggest franchise as an announcement for Vita and loads have written it off...with have a show round the corner and TGS then I'd be happy to agree Sony aren't supporting it.

Let's just look at Sonys track record for supporting their consoles before writing any off.

 

[see5harp]

I really don't even know how you can physically watch that much TV in a week. That's more than double my work week.

 

[Mileena]

you are in a minority - many people place the Uncharted games as thus:

U2>GA>U1>U3

I agree the charcol rubbing got old and the motion/touch seemed 'forced' (I always sticdk to real controls whenever I can anyway) but really, it's a fantastic game and I suspect the smaller chapters were to help it's portability

Bullshit. GA is trash and the first game is rough after playing the far superior sequels.

2>3>>>>>1>>>GA

 

[RedSwirl]

Vita still hasnt had it first holiday season in western markets and i would be shocked if AC and CoD cant move some systems this fall. Sales are low but its a price handheld in a difficult environment, i doubt Sony expected much better sales.

Normally I'd be inclined to agree with this sentiment. Most new game platforms hit their stride upon their first holiday season after launch.

The Vita's main problem right now is that it doesn't have enough hardware-moving exclusive games. Almost all of its good games right now are basically PS3 games. AC and COD both might be great and will probably move a bit of hardware, but I haven't gotten the feeling that's enough for the Vita. It's facing the same problem the PS3 did - the lack of a killer app.

 

[GraveRobberX]

I agree the charcol rubbing got old and the motion/touch seemed 'forced' (I always sticdk to real controls whenever I can anyway) but really, it's a fantastic game and I suspect the smaller chapters were to help it's portability

I'm not hating the game for Vita pile on or just trying to be a dick

Casuals really hated the experience

The dude I bought my Vita from was like not worth it
It was 3 days old from release, he ate $80 loss, I got my Vita for $100 (gave 360 console + goodies)

I asked didn't like Uncharted?

He went after chapter 4, they brought the same mechanics over and over again, never changed it up.. which is true to a point
I'm only on Chapter 15 in GA, I've had the game since February, it really is a chore to play through it
(I'm grinding the goddamn bounties per chapters that drop it)

Small chapters are cool for portability, I understand that, but Chapter 14 alone is all fucking filler... you can't deny that

Spoiler

It's a goddamn interactive cutscene.. you watch a 2-3 minute cutscene, only thing is 10 rare items in display cases need to be touched for trophy (shiny effect), most of the time you lose concentration on the storytelling and starting tapping away like a mad man not to miss one

 

[Metallix87]

Let's just look at Sonys track record for supporting their consoles before writing any off.

Vita is a handheld, not a console. Going by that, we should look to the PSP, and in that regard, things don't look too good.

 

[Mendrox]

I would buy the Vita if a Memory Card would be bundled with it.
It currently costs 200€ at Amazon Germany, so that's okay by me, but I would have to pay 40€ for a 8GB Card. :/

And I wait for Playstation One Support because I want to replay Final Fantasy 9 on the OLED Screen. So if the Vita gets cheapter till then, I will surely buy it. ._.

 

[7threst]

The "wait for" excuse gets old fast. We were told to wait for E3 and everyone got Wonderbook instead of Vita.

Agreed. TGS may have some cool games for Vita to show, but that doesn't help selling the Vita this holiday season, which matters a lot I think.

 

[electroplankton]

Agreed. TGS may have some cool games for Vita to show, but that doesn't help selling the Vita this holiday season, which matters a lot I think.

What. The. F*ck. They. Are. Waiting.
If there are games to show, SHOW THEM. The console is struggling, and some announcement may be a good move to regain attention.

 

[Pranay]

Provide some EU totals for both games, please.

Dont have numbers but revelations bombed the hardest in europe.

Uncharted GA Sales isnt that bad

1 - Was never going to sell well in Japan
2 - Did good in Europe
3 - Has sold more then 200k with a base of Vita users less then a million in NA

 

[Robert at Zeboyd Games]

Vita is a handheld, not a console. Going by that, we should look to the PSP, and in that regard, things don't look too good.

If the Vita got as much support as the PSP, I'd be thrilled. The PSP came out in 2005 and it still got good games in 2011 & 2012 even in the US where sales were never that good (to say nothing of Japan). Admittedly, not a ton of good games but the quality was there if you knew where to look for it.

 

[Metallix87]

Dont have numbers but revelations bombed the hardest in europe

Still, given the way the European market is, I find it hard to believe that Uncharted did the best there.

 

[7threst]

What. The. F*ck. They. Are. Waiting.
If there are games to show, SHOW THEM. The console is struggling, and some announcement may be a good move to regain attention.

Exactly. Another thing I don't get, E3 supposedly had a lot of cool Vita games on the showfloor... where are those games? What are those games? Why don't we see any trailers orr magazines or websites writing about these games?

 

[Metallix87]

If the Vita got as much support as the PSP, I'd be thrilled. The PSP came out in 2005 and it still got good games in 2011 & 2012 even in the US where sales were never that good (to say nothing of Japan). Admittedly, not a ton of good games but the quality was there if you knew where to look for it.

I was referring specifically to Sony support, not games in general. Given the current situation, the Vita will NEVER be like the PSP as far as overall support.

 

[kobashi100]

regarding RE: Revelations. Here in the UK Capcom advertised RE6 much more then revelations.

They screwed up the revelations launch with there RE6 push.

 

[Cosmozone]

I read the title as "Poor Vita".
BTW, has anybody put those rear touchpads to good use yet?

 

[Pranay]

Still, given the way the European market is, I find it hard to believe that Uncharted did the best there.

Uncharted brand is quite strong in Europe. It was in top 5 in Germany and Italian charts for 5 months i think and top 10 in UK.

Thats the reason GA did well their i guess.

 

[P90]

The system has some good games. I think it is all about price. The only reason I have a Vita now is because of the Gamestop $50 gift card. Psychologically, the system was only $199. Sony needs to get the system in the sub-$200 sweetspot. The ridiculous mem card prices don't help the system either.

 

[Colonel Mustard]

lol what ? thats more than what uncharted got. Show me an uncharted commercial. What outlets are you talking about?

You're aware of the European commercial, correct?

Everything including banner adds assaulting me every time I would go to any gaming-specific website? Gamestop's circular adds around February that prominently displayed the Vita/Uncharted. The demo units in stores that were playing Uncharted?

All of this plays in to marketing.

lol THIS is what Resident Evil got for retailer 'exposure'

http://www.gamestop.com/gs/weeklyad/current/020812/olfsi_020812-2.aspx

 

[OldJadedGamer]

Why do you care?

TV rots your brain.

Yes this is true - I was disappointed - however calling the Vita dead after 6 mths is also getting old fast, we've had one E3 with only the worlds biggest franchise as an announcement for Vita and loads have written it off...with have a show round the corner and TGS then I'd be happy to agree Sony aren't supporting it.

Let's just look at Sonys track record for supporting their consoles before writing any off.

What game are you talking about getting announced at E3 that was the worlds biggest game? I'm looking at Sony's track record of showing logos for games without any real game behind it at the time like GTMobile.

 

[GraveRobberX]

TV rots your brain.

Then I'm a TV Zombie, who loves trophy whoring

 

[lunchwithyuzo]

Dont have numbers but revelations bombed the hardest in europe.

Uncharted GA Sales isnt that bad

1 - Was never going to sell well in Japan
2 - Did good in Europe
3 - Has sold more then 200k with a base of Vita users less then a million in NA

Without numbers, I'm not sure you can really stake that claim. Nintendo bundled RER with the CCP and (afaik) Charttrack/GFK don't include bundled software in their chart positions.

If we only went by chart positions Revelations did well in Japan, bombed in America, and Uncharted bombed in both regions.

 

[Colonel Mustard]

Dont have numbers but revelations bombed the hardest in europe.

Uncharted GA Sales isnt that bad

1 - Was never going to sell well in Japan
2 - Did good in Europe
3 - Has sold more then 200k with a base of Vita users less then a million in NA

This is some 'ol bullshit. The Uncharted franchise has been gaining a great deal of popularity in Japan. Uncharted 3 had the highest FW of any game in the series--having a stronger debut than the UK. The series just isn't a good fit for portable gaming.

http://gamingeverything.com/11674/media-create-uncharted-3-sees-highest-first-week-sales-in-series/

 

[goonergaz]

What game are you talking about getting announced at E3 that was the worlds biggest game?

CoD

 

[Pranay]

This is some 'ol bullshit. The Uncharted franchise has been gaining a great deal of popularity in Japan. Uncharted 3 had the highest FW of any game in the series--having a stronger debut than the UK. The series just isn't a good fit for portable gaming.

http://gamingeverything.com/11674/media-create-uncharted-3-sees-highest-first-week-sales-in-series/

124000 is a good number but look at the install base of ps3 and then the vita

It has overall done 90k [GA] i think japan by now.

 

[PopcornMegaphone]

Exactly. Another thing I don't get, E3 supposedly had a lot of cool Vita games on the showfloor... where are those games? What are those games? Why don't we see any trailers orr magazines or websites writing about these games?

I think Sony has tactfully turned their back on Vita. E3 was their chance to make Vita shine, but they spent the vast majority of their time on a console near the end of its life cycle. It was really telling. From a business perspective, I think Sony realizes Vita is a bust with fundamental issues that can't be solved.

 

[GraveRobberX]

CoD

A logo with a sub title does not make it a game

 

[Diablos54]

Then I'm a TV Zombie, who loves trophy whoring

100 Hours a week? That's 14 hours a day! Do you even leave the house!?

 

[Canis lupus]

This is some 'ol bullshit. The Uncharted franchise has been gaining a great deal of popularity in Japan. Uncharted 3 had the highest FW of any game in the series--having a stronger debut than the UK. The series just isn't a good fit for portable gaming.

http://gamingeverything.com/11674/media-create-uncharted-3-sees-highest-first-week-sales-in-series/

Holy shit UC bigger in Japan than UK?

 

[Robert at Zeboyd Games]

This is some 'ol bullshit. The Uncharted franchise has been gaining a great deal of popularity in Japan. Uncharted 3 had the highest FW of any game in the series--having a stronger debut than the UK. The series just isn't a good fit for portable gaming.

http://gamingeverything.com/11674/media-create-uncharted-3-sees-highest-first-week-sales-in-series/

Uncharted: GA first week sales were similar to Uncharted 2 first week sales in Japan (48k vs 54k) so it's not like the game bombed in Japan, especially when you consider the drastically smaller install base.

 

[Endo Punk]

That's a shame because it really is an amazing piece of tech that should really get a lot more sales than it has. The only reason I am holding off right now is because I want to see Gamescom and TGS before I purchase one for Gravity Rush.

 

[Mercutio]

I recently sold my Vita, after playing through nearly the entire launch library.

As a person who plays a lot of games, I felt like Sony's use of original "franchise" games seems completely disingenuous. Uncharted was fine, sure, but it didn't feel like a true Naughty Dog game. Hell, even his face was wrong looking. It's like, I paid for a steak, was promised steak, and because I didn't pay attention to the asterisk next to it I got a really good hamburger instead.

Nothing wrong with that hamburger, but I wanted steak, you know?

And it seems like that's just the way they're going to handle the big titles, and that's spread to other major developers. Sure, it's named Uncharted or Call of Duty or Assassin's Creed, but it's not actually by the guys who make those games truly stand out as system sellers on the PS3. Not quite a bait and switch, but just... I dunno.

 

[StuBurns]

CoD wasn't really announced at E3, it was announced at the NGP reveal conference in Japan.

 

[OldJadedGamer]

CoD

That wasn't announced at E3.

The system has some good games. I think it is all about price. The only reason I have a Vita now is because of the Gamestop $50 gift card. Psychologically, the system was only $199. Sony needs to get the system in the sub-$200 sweetspot. The ridiculous mem card prices don't help the system either.

I was waiting for $200 with a game and memory card but by the time they get around to it the WiiU will be out and I'll want to use the money on that instead.

A logo with a sub title does not make it a game

Everyone forgets the GTMobile announcemnet at the PSP reveal and the actual game showing up 5 years later.

 

[GraveRobberX]

100 Hours a week? That's 14 hours a day! Do you even leave the house!?

Nope

You have to realize 100 TV hours = 40-60+ hours in real time, shows usually are a hour, but 15-20 minutes are commercial (which I skip)

Don't forget I game 5-8 hours everyday too =D

 

[enewtabie]

I love mine,but my wife plays it everynight. That damn Montezuma game.

 

[Ninja Scooter]

i'm not sure that a Call of Duty Vita will do much for the system's future. It seems to just further the problematic perception that people have of the Vita, that it's just downsized console games. People might think that's cool, but not $200+ cool.

 

[electroplankton]

Dont have numbers but revelations bombed the hardest in europe.

Uncharted GA Sales isnt that bad

1 - Was never going to sell well in Japan
2 - Did good in Europe
3 - Has sold more then 200k with a base of Vita users less then a million in NA

You posted Uncharted:GA positions in some PAL countries. Do you know Revelations achieved the same?

 

[CitizenCope]

Nope

You have to realize 100 TV hours = 40-60+ hours in real time, shows usually are a hour, but 15-20 minutes are commercial (which I skip)

Don't forget I game 5-8 hours everyday too =D

So I won't see you in the p90x thread.

 

[kayos90]

The system has some good games. I think it is all about price. The only reason I have a Vita now is because of the Gamestop $50 gift card. Psychologically, the system was only $199. Sony needs to get the system in the sub-$200 sweetspot. The ridiculous mem card prices don't help the system either.

I dsiagree. As long as the price is manageable to the average consumer the people will buy it. The problem is that there are no games/library to really justify that price or even anything. It's a barren system filled with little to no excellent original times and no announcements to boot. Price is essentially irrelevant at this point. It's about the games.

 

[Taurus]

3DS only started selling well due to price drop - and that's off the back of the most successful handhelds ever sold

"Only"? What a pile of bullshit. Software came -> customers came, that's it.

 

[xJavonta]

What if Vita were able to make phone calls ? Would this change anything regarding sales ?

See N-Gage lol

 

[CambriaRising]

Well I for one am just waiting for ACR to buy one, I definitely want it though. I know a lot of people are in the same boat.

 

[GraveRobberX]

i'm not sure that a Call of Duty Vita will do much for the system's future. It seems to just further the problematic perception that people have of the Vita, that it's just downsized console games. People might think that's cool, but not $200+ cool.

Buy BLOPS II + Declassified, get 5 extra prestige's (locked only for that combo) + 3-5 guns, 1 extra class slot...

PROFIT LIKE A MOTHERFUCKER!

So I won't see you in the p90x thread.

If I have cardiac arrest and need to change my lifestyle, even then I'll be hesitant =D
I love my obese ass, all of it!

 

[Mercutio]

Man, if it were a phone? I don't see how people think that would make things better. Sony isn't exactly making phones or tablets people want right now, and is anyone under the impression that the average consumer would buy (assuming it looked nice) a Sony Playstation Portable Phone over an iPhone?

 

[Colonel Mustard]

If I have cardiac arrest and need to change my lifestyle, even then I'll be hesitant =D
I love my obese ass, all of it!

Children need a real life Rubeus Hagrid to look up to! Don't let them down.

 

[BLACK AMERICAN PSYCHO]

Man, if it were a phone? I don't see how people think that would make things better. Sony isn't exactly making phones or tablets people want right now, and is anyone under the impression that the average consumer would buy (assuming it looked nice) a Sony Playstation Portable Phone over an iPhone?

if it were a tablet it would do well..... I think

 

[Somnid]

What game are you talking about getting announced at E3 that was the worlds biggest game? I'm looking at Sony's track record of showing logos for games without any real game behind it at the time like GTMobile.

I think he means CoD. Which was only a logo. I'm guessing it's going to be a rushed piece of shit made to fill some contractual obligation. But I'll give it the benefit of the doubt. In any case that's probably not enough to get people to buy it. AC actually looks pretty decent though but will anyone care with AC3? And will Ubi even bother to advertise?

I also don't think it really matters if Sony supports the Vita like it did the PSP. Sony wasn't the reason to own a PSP. People weren't that interested in owning watered-down side games not made by the original devs. If I wanted those franchises I'd have a PS3 (and they did port a fair number of the PSP titles anyway and I can bet they'll do it for Vita). It was really some Japanese powerhouses (Metal Gear, Final Fantasy, Kingdom Hearts, Monster Hunter) that really made PSP and they are mostly on the 3DS train now.

Essentially 3DS has Japanese devs on lock-down and the West can't see past iOS and F2P mania. So I don't know where it's going to get support from especially if Sony continues to put their B teams on portables. Atlus isn't going to sell your system.

 

[OldJadedGamer]

There is also an issue on how Sony is ignoring the Vita with Ps+.

I think he means CoD. Which was only a logo. I'm guessing it's going to be a rushed piece of shit made to fill some contractual obligation. But I'll give it the benefit of the doubt. In any case that's probably not enough to get people to buy it. AC actually looks pretty decent though but will anyone care with AC3? And will Ubi even bother to advertise?

As already pointed out, COD was announced before E3. In regards to AC, don't look at the publisher look at the dev team they assigned to it. And AssCreed Vita was announced before E3 as well.

 

[Taurus]

Well I for one am just waiting for ACR to buy one, I definitely want it though. I know a lot of people are in the same boat.

Everyone will get the "real" home console version, and ACR will do pretty terrible numbers. Same with that CoD game.

I know people are saying Sony's management is a mess right now, but same people saying home console experiences on a handheld will do mentionable results are just as lost. Same problem with PSP, and now things will suddenly be different with Vita and people will buy shitload of Vitas to play bastard CoD and AC? l-o-l (<-that's not a TIE fighter btw)