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[lunchwithyuzo]

3DS is still absolute shit for RPGs if you don't live in Japan. Some ports and Kingdom Hearts is not impressive in the slightest considering how long its been out.

Old ports/remakes and MH clones are really all Vita has now or on the horizon too, it's not like 3DS is alone in this. At least 3DS looks like it'll probably turn this around in 2013 (Fire Emblem Awakening, Bravely Default, Etrian Odyssey IV, SMTIV, Rune Factory 4, LBX, etc).

 

[vagabondarts]

It won't be handled properly, though. We've seen absolutely nothing, and the title doesn't suggest that it has anything to do with Black Ops 2. We're probably getting some kind of game that has the bare minimum of multiplayer (few modes, few small maps, no DLC map packs, insignificant progression, absolutely no tie in to Elite or any of the console games) and a side story.

Guise! They should get Julian Gollop to do a Call of Duty tactics game with multiplayer and perks.

Guise? XD
it would be great

 

[ohlawd]

Same here. If the vita dies will publishers take those games to 3DS or mobile?
Wherever they go, I will be there. Those are the games I want.
NOA doesn't really like jrpg players either.

Yeah it's been so-so for localization news. If you have a Japanese 3DS and you're fluent in the language then I'd say you're good to go RPG-wise.

 

[electroplankton]

3DS is still absolute shit for RPGs if you don't live in Japan. Some ports and Kingdom Hearts is not impressive in the slightest considering how long its been out.

A year and a half.
Btw, we know that jRPGs usually take a lot of time to arrive in the West; at least, they do exist in Japan, so it's a matter of time. Etrian Odyssey, Rune Factory, Bravely Default, Devil Summoner, Shin Megami Tensei, Dragon Quest, Pokémon, Fire Emblem, Paper Mario... Do you think we won't never see them? lol

 

[Saint Gregory]

Well, I wouldn't say *just* Nintendo is, but they're probably the only major publisher who does. Level 5, Index, Marvelous, Falcom and some others would qualify for smaller pubs.

That's a good point, a lot of Japanese developers made that adjustment this gen after the crazy success of the DS but western developers are still mostly turning up their noses at the idea of quality handheld development.

 

[Robert at Zeboyd Games]

Old ports/remakes and MH clones are really all Vita has now or on the horizon too, it's not like 3DS is alone in this. At least 3DS looks like it'll probably turn this around in 2013 (Fire Emblem Awakening, Bravely Default, Etrian Odyssey IV, SMTIV, Rune Factory 4, LBX, etc).

The Vita is getting a new Ys game next year which we'll no doubt get in English courtesy of XSeed Games. And dismissing Persona 4 Golden as just a port/remake is doing it a disservice; several years later, the original version of Persona 4 is still the best JRPG out there IMO and the Vita version is supposed to be a lot better.

Also, Persona 4 Golden has been selling really well in Japan; that's gotta encourage some RPG developers to support the system.

 

[SpacePirate Ridley]

Don't worry, there'll be an international vita-gaming-heaven two weeks before the release of assassins creed with following announcements:

- pricecut at AC-release
- MHP3rdG releasing this winter
- MH4 release date for first quarter next year, so that everyone knows its coming at the same date as the 3DS-version
- bigger FF spin-off (or FFVII-remake )
- GTA spin-off
- RE spin-off
- GT Vita
- GoW Vita

And a big marketing push for the 3rd-party key titles.

Vita saved.

I really dont know if this is sarcasm or a VERY delude fanboy.

 

[electroplankton]

The Vita is getting a new Ys game next year which we'll no doubt get in English courtesy of XSeed Games. And dismissing Persona 4 Golden as just a port/remake is doing it a disservice; several years later, the original version of Persona 4 is still the best JRPG out there IMO and the Vita version is supposed to be a lot better.

Also, Persona 4 Golden has been selling really well in Japan; that's gotta encourage some RPG developers to support the system.

1. it's still a remake (not that is something awful, even if it's a 2008 game)
2. I don't think its sales will encourage developers, since they're all on 3DS -and PSP-.

 

[To Far Away Times]

The 3DS had a slow start and it took an $80 price cut and two of Nintendo's biggest games (Mario 3D Land and Mario Kart 7), plus Monster Hunter to get things back on target.

It would be nice to see Sony focus their efforts on the Vita. It could use a brand new IP megaton or two.

Tepid third party support and outsourced first party titles aren't going to move a significant amount of hardware.

I'm only saying this half jokingly but how much could a Final Fantasy VII remake be bought for? Would it be worth it? Or a Final Fantasy XV. Or something really crazy. Make people want the system for the games, not the hardware. Dig into that warchest. Make me want to play Vita software.

 

[TDLink]

Um, it was designed for handheld gaming? And what chapter are you referring to that's ten minutes long with hardly any gameplay? Are you seriously acting like that's how the entire experience is? Because you're full of shit.

And if we're going to just spout nonsense then might as well throw in how Kid Icarus's controls turn to shit once you have to fend off enemies from every direction.

The entire experience is not like that but in general the chapters are certainly shorter and more bite-sized than the console experience. Yeah, it was designed for handheld gaming, whatever. Point is it is less than the full Uncharted experience we have come to know and love. To use another example, look at Kingdom Hearts 3D (3DS) or Kingdom Hearts Birth By Sleep (PSP). They both offer experiences essentially on par with Kingdom Hearts 1 and 2...the two main console entries. They may overall have less worlds and thus they end up being shorter games but when you are in each world they are just as expansive as the console versions. These games don't really suffer from being on a handheld. It feels like a full experience of that franchise opposed to a gimped one.

The Kid Icarus insult is kind of random just for the hell of it but I really didn't have an issue with the controls...which are highly customizable and control differently depending on the weapon you use anyways. Either way, it has nothing to do with the discussion at hand of not offering a console-like experience.

There's no Vita version of the game anywhere to my knowledge, but the PSP version is playable on the Vita. From what I've heard, the PSP & 3DS versions are basically identical so it comes down to which system you prefer. From personal experience, I can say that the game is great on the Vita - looks excellent on the Vita's large screen & you don't really need a second screen since you can just stick the mini-map in the corner. Plus, it has the advantage of being released in the US already whereas the 3DS version still doesn't have a firm release date.

Yeah I just looked it up, dunno why I thought that. I have it on my PSP as well, it is a great game. Xseed gets serious props for all their hard work.

 

[Colonel Mustard]

Guise! They should get Julian Gollop to do a Call of Duty tactics game with multiplayer and perks.

Guise? XD
it would be great

If Shadow Wars is indicative of what we'd get, it would probably be better than Declassified could ever hope to be.

 

[Bending_Unit_22]

The 3DS had a slow start and it took an $80 price cut and two of Nintendo's biggest games (Mario 3D Land and Mario Kart 7), plus Monster Hunter to get things back on target.

*nods in agreement* Oh wait, you're also using this as if it is anywhere similar to the Vita's situation?

 

[Plinko]

3DS is still absolute shit for RPGs if you don't live in Japan. Some ports and Kingdom Hearts is not impressive in the slightest considering how long its been out.

This is ludicrous. It has only been out for a year and a half.

I, too, want RPGs, but they take time to make. At least it's got a good port of Tales of the Abyss.

 

[yon61]

The Vita is getting a new Ys game next year which we'll no doubt get in English courtesy of XSeed Games. And dismissing Persona 4 Golden as just a port/remake is doing it a disservice; several years later, the original version of Persona 4 is still the best JRPG out there IMO and the Vita version is supposed to be a lot better.

Also, Persona 4 Golden has been selling really well in Japan; that's gotta encourage some RPG developers to support the system.

Vita sold 34k the same week P4G was released - how is that encouraging for anyone?

 

[To Far Away Times]

*nods in agreement* Oh wait, you're also using this as if it is anywhere similar to the Vita's situation?

I'm just saying that it took a lot for Nintendo to climb out of a hole.

The Vita has a much steeper climb and less resources to do it.

 

[GraveRobberX]

Sony may release a Vita / PS3 bundle with a Sonyland / Playstationland game.

Psst... there is already one, it's called Playstation Home....

 

[FoxRomeo]

What the hell??? This whole post is just madness... what are you on???

My point is that 3DS isn't just a handheld with downgraded console ports. Of course ther are exceptions.

But my point stands. Vita isn't a mass market device. It would have been 10 years ago. At least 3DS has the kids crowd which is much larger than adults who play handhelds.

 

[Bending_Unit_22]

I'm just saying that it took a lot for Nintendo to climb out of a hole.

The Vita has a much steeper climb and less resources to do it.

Oh ok, *returns to nodding*.

 

[lunchwithyuzo]

The Vita is getting a new Ys game next year which we'll no doubt get in English courtesy of XSeed Games. And dismissing Persona 4 Golden as just a port/remake is doing it a disservice; several years later, the original version of Persona 4 is still the best JRPG out there IMO and the Vita version is supposed to be a lot better.

Also, Persona 4 Golden has been selling really well in Japan; that's gotta encourage some RPG developers to support the system.

Technically Celcita is also a remake (Ys IV), though yes it's different enough where it might as well be a new game.

And I'm not dissmissing P4G, I'm just pointing out that the situation isn't all that different between Vita and 3DS. Well, until next year anyway...

 

[FoxRomeo]

Sure...MGS3, RE:R, Mario platformers, Starfox, Zelda OoT, SSF4, DOA, Tekken Prime, Ace Combat, WWE Allstars, Sonic Generations, Rayman Origins, Fire Emblem, Luigi's Mansion, Animal Crossing, Paper Mario, etc but please don't bring up console games on 3DS, because only Nintendo's allowed to do it.

Don't miss my point. I'm not making the "it's a kiddie console" argument. I'm saying that Nintendo has games that cater to a mass market that actually exists--kids. Sony is aiming at adults only it seems and that market is now niche in handhelds.

We can play real games on our phones and tablets these days.

 

[Erethian]

I really dont know if this is sarcasm or a VERY delude fanboy.

Pretty sure it's the former... hopefully.

And whenever I see anyone bring up Gran Turismo for Vita I think that it should be Gran Turismo 6 or they might as well not even bother.

In fact I wish Sony would take any of their major franchises and make the next official entry for Vita. That'd show some real committment to the system.

 

[BLACK AMERICAN PSYCHO]

Really hope they get their act together though. I really love this thing and I would hate for it to bite the dust.

 

[Wazzim]

Yeah it's been so-so for localization news. If you have a Japanese 3DS and you're fluent in the language then I'd say you're good to go RPG-wise.

So pretty much only if you're actually Japanese.

 

[BLACK AMERICAN PSYCHO]

Don't miss my point. I'm not making the "it's a kiddie console" argument. I'm saying that Nintendo has games that cater to a mass market that actually exists--kids. Sony is aiming at adults only it seems and that market is now niche in handhelds.

We can play real games on our phones and tablets these days.

Lolwut?

 

[Frillen]

If Call of Duty has handled properly on the PSVita, it could move a lot of units. Let me take my stats from the PS3 version and continue playing with them on the Vita version.

How many people are going to buy the freakin game twice though!? Yeah, that's right no one! Why buy a $250 system for a single game when you can buy the superior version on a console you already own?

 

[thuway]

How many people are going to buy the freakin game twice though!? Yeah, that's right no one! Why buy a $250 system for a single game when you can buy the superior version on a console you already own?

Because the game is portable and easy to play on the go.

 

[ohlawd]

So pretty much only if you're actually Japanese.

hahah I wouldn't say that. I'm sure some of us aren't Japanese and are quite fluent in the language.

Spoiler

I wish I knew Japanese

 

[FoxRomeo]

Lolwut?

What year is it again? Tablets and phones are capable of pretty impressive games.

 

[Frillen]

Because the game is portable and easy to play on the go.

I doubt people are thinking that. I think most people would rather enjoy a CoD game sitting home, confy on the sofa, playing the game on a 46+ inches TV. I predict CoD Vita to be the biggest bomb this holiday season.

And it doesn't help the game that there hasn't been a single screenshot realeased for it. People doesn't even know it excists, outside of the hardcore gamers. I'm saying it again, people aren't going to buy a $250 system for a game, when they can play the superior version on the 360/PS3/PC. They're just not.

 

[alfredofroylan]

Because the game is portable and easy to play on the go.

Most people play COD in a big screen with a good sound system and a comfy couch. Stll I'm curious to see if the franchise has the potential to be a huge seller in handhelds.

 

[H_Prestige]

Sony's mistake was making the Vita in the first place. Nothing they can do now.

 

[BLACK AMERICAN PSYCHO]

What year is it again? Tablets and phones are capable of pretty impressive games.

show me some these games? real games require millions of dollars of funding and real controls. Cellphones/ tablet games are throw away games and are usually 99 cents. Show me a game like gravity rush or kid Icarus on smartphones.

 

[Kusagari]

All of the big 3DS RPGs should make it over.

I'm far more worried about the Vita RPGs like Ys.

 

[ShockingAlberto]

Unless Vita dies a hard and swift death in America, I expect Ys to come over. Digital only, if need be.

 

[GraveRobberX]

How many people are going to buy the freakin game twice though!? Yeah, that's right no one! Why buy a $250 system for a single game when you can buy the superior version on a console you already own?

People dropped $149.99 for a GODDAMN useless plastic RC car for BLOPS Collector's Edition

Give Vita version some cool unlockables to use for PS3 and vise-versa, get money!

5 more prestige's unlocked through Vita alone would get some to bite

 

[BLACK AMERICAN PSYCHO]

I doubt people are thinking that. I think most people would rather enjoy a CoD game sitting home, confy on the sofa, playing the game on a 46+ inches TV. I predict CoD Vita to be the biggest bomb this holiday season.

And it doesn't help the game that there hasn't been a single screenshot realeased for it. People doesn't even know it excists, outside of the hardcore gamers. I'm saying it again, people aren't going to buy a $250 system for a game, when they can play the superior version on the 360/PS3/PC. They're just not.

what but the vita version isn't a console like experience. its designed for the go. and biggest bomb? you've gotta be fucking kidding me.

 

[BLACK AMERICAN PSYCHO]

All of the big 3DS RPGs should make it over.

I'm far more worried about the Vita RPGs like Ys.

ys will come

 

[Afrikan]

Sony's mistake was making the Vita in the first place. Nothing they can do now.

their "mistake" is my reward. I'm loving mines.

it is also your reward, since it gives you something to troll about.

 

[BoilersFan23]

If Sony actually made any sort of effort to market the Vita, and actually tried to secure some hard-hitting, mainstream appealing exclusives, maybe this wouldn't be the case.

Sony barely markets the Vita. Outside the initial Taco Bell campaign, there's been nothing. I could roughly say the majority have no idea what Vita is. Many look at it and assume it's just a PSP. Only people I know who know it exists are the hardest of core gamers.

 

[Frillen]

People dropped $149.99 for a GODDAMN useless plastic RC car for BLOPS Collector's Edition

Give Vita version some cool unlockables to use for PS3 and vise-versa, get money!

5 more prestige's unlocked through Vita alone would get some to bite

How many was that though? Like less than 1% of the total CoD sales? That isn't my point anyway. My point is that people aren't going splash $250 (+$50 for the game) for a system when they can buy a superior version for $60. And it doesn't matter if CoD Vita is made for the go. People aren't going to buy two versions. Trust me on this one, CoD gamers aren't going to abonden their huge LED screens with 5.1 Surround for a CoD on the go. Bumpy car rides and laggy 3G net. CoD gamers care about their statistics (been a CoD gamer since CoD 1 and part of the CoD communty since 2003).

 

[Kusagari]

I don't understand how CoD Vita can be "made for the go" to begin with.

 

[kyo27]

Sony barely markets the Vita. Outside the initial Taco Bell campaign, there's been nothing. I could roughly say the majority have no idea what Vita is. Many look at it and assume it's just a PSP. Only people I know who know it exists are the hardest of core gamers.

I think you are confusing not marketing and people not caring. I see much more advertising for the Vita than 3DS. They have billboards and banners all over sporting venues. The commercials got a lot of airtime, not to mention the social media marketing they did. The problem is people see the ads but they still don't care about the product.

 

[Robert at Zeboyd Games]

Vita sold 34k the same week P4G was released - how is that encouraging for anyone?

Game sales, not system sales. Persona 4 Golden's first week of sales were drastically higher than any of the PSP Persona games's first week of sales.

Week 1 Sales:

Persona 4 Golden - 137k
Persona 1 PSP - 95k
Persona 3 Portable - 94k
Persona 2 IS (PSP) - 62k
Persona 2 EP (PSP) - 24k

Persona 4 Golden's sales show that it could very well be worthwhile for developers to release RPGs on the Vita even if the Vita's overall userbase isn't that big.

 

[Colonel Mustard]

Game sales, not system sales. Persona 4 Golden's first week of sales were drastically higher than any of the PSP Persona games's first week of sales.

Week 1 Sales:

Persona 4 Golden - 137k
Persona 1 PSP - 95k
Persona 3 Portable - 94k
Persona 2 IS (PSP) - 62k
Persona 2 EP (PSP) - 24k

Persona 4 Golden's sales show that it could very well be worthwhile for developers to release RPGs on the Vita even if the Vita's overall userbase isn't that big.

This only shows the brand-power of Persona at the moment. Until we have other franchises to compare results.

 

[Man God]

It also shows the marked difference between modern and older style Persona games and that they may have over saturated the market on the PSP.

 

[ohlawd]

Well, P4 had a very successful anime in Japan so it was just perfect timing. But then again, that should be the result of good marketing.

 

[gdestiny]

haven't turn on my vita ever since i finished uncharted, which i got during launch date. where is god of war, final fantasy, or demon's/dark souls for vita?

 

[Kerub]

haven't turn on my vita ever since i finished uncharted, which i got during launch date. where is god of war, final fantasy, or demon's/dark souls for vita?

You didn't like Gravity Rush?

 

[PopcornMegaphone]

their "mistake" is my reward. I'm loving mines.

it is also your reward, since it gives you something to troll about.

It's not trolling if it's true. Believing Vita's value proposition and path to profitability is broken beyond repair is certainly a defensible position.

 

[Cipherr]

I don't understand how CoD Vita can be "made for the go" to begin with.

The games major major draw is online multiplayer. Thats not going to work on the go over 3G, its only going to make sense with you have wifi in a fixed location, at which point most would rather be playing on a television on a console for the superior version. I just dont understand the people that expect COD Vita to explode, I am nearly convinced they are just refusing to think it through.