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PowerPC hatrick - all your console belong to us!

GigaDrive

Banned
http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1616981,00.asp

PowerPC Roadmap Turns to Consoles
By Mark Hachman
June 25, 2004

IBM Corp.'s PowerPC roadmap has narrowed in recent months.

With IBM's sale of its embedded PowerPC 4XX family in April to Applied Micro Circuits Corp., analysts say the company is moving away from developing standard products entirely, chips used as storage and network controllers, to concentrate on developing custom solutions for a few key customers.


Those core applications include Apple Computer Inc.'s Macintosh computer; IBM's own blade servers; and a variety of next-generation video game consoles that may eventually evolve into more general-purpose computing devices.

Currently, IBM's PowerPC public roadmap comprises three product lines: the 9XX series, used within the Macintosh and IBM's JS20 blade servers, currently being revamped for the mobile and server markets; the 7XX series, spearheaded by the PowerPC 750GX for embedded applications; and a pair of cores available for licensing.


The real work is behind the scenes, however, where IBM is developing the "Cell" processor for future entertainment consoles sold by Sony Corp.; the processor used by the "Xenon," Microsoft Corp.'s next-generation Xbox; as well as the "Revolution," Nintendo Ltd.'s next-generation console. IBM has already shipped more than 10 million PowerPCs to Nintendo for use in the current GameCube, each a 485MHz derivative of the G3 called the "Gekko."


During 2003, the PowerPC's penetration into non-compute applications such as storage and network controllers totaled just under 47 million units, according to Semico Research Corp. of Phoenix. The total includes sales from IBM as well as Freescale Semiconductor, the other primary developer of the PowerPC architecture. Austin, Texas-based Freescale will spin off from Motorola Inc. later this year as an independent company focused on designing and selling semiconductors.

By comparison, ARM Ltd.'s embedded architecture sold 783 million units in 2003; MIPS Technologies Inc.'s MIPS architecture sold 126 million units. Sales of embedded X86 processors from Intel Corp. and other suppliers was under 19 million units, mostly into point-of-sale terminals and kiosks.

With the sale of the PowerPC 4XX series in April for $227 million in cash, IBM essentially exited the standard products market, concluded Linley Gwennap, principal analyst with The Linley Group in Mountain View, Calif.

"This sale is likely the final step in IBM's strategy of divesting from the standard-product business," Gwennap wrote in a note to the company's clients. "The company will now focus its resources on developing products for a few large customers (such as Sony, Apple and IBM's systems business) as well as its ASIC and foundry business. This strategy reduces the company's product-development risk. IBM will continue to offer a few products, such as the PowerPC 7xx family, to third parties that request them."

"The PowerPC in the communications infrastructure goes head-to-head with MIPS, and thus is hampered," said Semico analyst Tony Massimini. "IBM decided to follow different path, and get into video games…across the three major platforms. That's going to pump up the volume numbers for PowerPC going forward."

Instead, most of the true embedded work will be left to AMCC and to Freescale, which has yet to spell out its plans in the PowerPC space. The spinoff has announced a range of cores, including the e300 and e500, based on the PowerQICC cores for communications, and slated to scale beyond 1.5GHz; the e600, a G4-compatible symmetric-multiprocessing (SMP) chip expected to scale beyond 2GHz; and the e700, an unannounced 32-bit/64-bit microprocessor that should scale to 3GHz and beyond.

That doesn't mean that IBM's PowerPC architecture won't compete in the embedded space.

"I think you'll see the PowerPC 970FX in a much wider range of applications, following the embedded market," said Jesse Stein, PowerPC marketing programs manager at IBM. "While frequency is a concern…first and foremost is power."

In addition, IBM will continue to market the 7XX series of processors, known more commonly as the basis for the Apple G3 line. The PowerPC 750GX builds upon the older PowerPC 750FX, adding a full-speed, 1MB Level 2 cache and the ability to run at 1.1GHz. IBM will still market solution in the 4XX series, but as customizable, system-on-a-chip solutions, Stein said.


IBM's real work is with its gaming-platform customers, including Microsoft, Sony, and Nintendo. Sony, Toshiba and IBM are developing the "Cell" processor, a modular design whose specifications are unknown. However, IBM engineers will apparently disclose more details about the chip at a conference in Vail, Colo., sponsored by the Institute for Electrical and Electronics Engineers.

According to a technology white paper supposedly authored by Pete Isensee of the Microsoft Xbox Technology Group that was making the rounds of game sites Wednesday, the "Xenon" Xbox 2 will use three 3.5GHz PowerPC custom cores, each with 64KB of Level 1 cache and a shared 1MB of Level 2 cache. The white paper's authenticity could not be confirmed.


However, some of the early comments by other IBM customers indicate that clock speed will not drive the designs. In both the Sony and Nintendo designs, IBM will work with graphics-chip maker ATI Technologies Inc., Thornhill, Ontario, to generate graphics.


"I suppose I could give you a list of our technical specs, but I won't for a simple reason: They really don't matter," said Satoru Iwata, Nintendo's president, during a press conference at the Electronic Entertainment Expo show in Los Angeles in May discussing the company's next-generation console, which would deliver an "unprecedented play experience". "The time when horsepower alone made an important difference is over."


PowerPC kicks ass. no more MIPs no more Intel, in consoles anyway.
 

TekunoRobby

Tag of Excellence
Yes that is actually pretty exciting on the hardware front. I'm loving the desicions all three companies have made so far.
 
In both the Sony and Nintendo designs, IBM will work with graphics-chip maker ATI Technologies Inc., Thornhill, Ontario, to generate graphics.

Huh? Is that right? Shouldn't it read, "In both the Microsoft and Nintendo designs...", instead?
 
Yeah, this coming gen should last 6-8 years...but it probably won't. I blame the console industry's jealously of the ever-increasing graphics capability of the PC video card market.
 

MattCoz

Member
"I suppose I could give you a list of our technical specs, but I won't for a simple reason: They really don't matter," said Satoru Iwata
THEY MATTER TO ME!

*runs off and cries in a corner*

I'm desperate for Revolution specs.
 

MASB

Member
So basically IBM is no longer going to develop new chips in the Power series beyond what it is doing right now? If that's the case, that sucks, since having IBM behind PowerPC was/would help the chip gain more acceptance.

Edit: Nevermind, on a second look it seems like they simply won't be developing the PowerPC chips for certain products. Still involved in development, just for less/different products now.
 
MightyHedgehog said:
Yeah, this coming gen should last 6-8 years...but it probably won't. I blame the console industry's jealously of the ever-increasing graphics capability of the PC video card market.

Well in all defense, I think a generation that can do 1080i (1920*1080?) at 60 FPS isn't that an unreasonable request. The television technology is there and this is one area where you actually will be able to see the huge improvement.

Edit: Talking about this generation not being as long as some wanted. Though I have a feeling only MS is gonna truly have short gaps between this and next.
 

GigaDrive

Banned
the PS3 will probably last longer than Xbox 2.

te Xbox 3 could be out by 2009, another 4 years, like the time from Xbox to Xbox 2, that is assuming Xbox 2 comes next year. whereas the PS4 might not be around until 2012.



btw, that article made an obvious mistake by basicly stating that ATI is working on graphics for Sony.


it's good to see PowerPC in all 3 consoles, joy :D


and yes, i too want Revolution specs!
 
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