Dreams-Visions
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so why wouldn't you root the phone? similar to jailbreaking, no?dark10x said:
that would be the first thing I'd do if I had an Evo. :lol
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that would be the first thing I'd do if I had an Evo. :lol
I absolutely disagree with this.
As noted above, I feel that a high framerate is a HUGE benefit for a touch device. Interacting with a virtual interface feels infinitely superior at 60 fps. Scrolling around web pages, maps, photos, the OS spring board, and just about anything else is all handled at 60 fps on the iPhone. It feels so much more responsive than any other phone out there as a result. It enhances the perception that one is actually interacting with the objects on the screen.
It has little to do with gaming, really. Most iPhone games don't run at 60 fps (though those that do feel so much better), but the interface feels so good at that framerate. I was hoping the EVO was powerful enough to push Android at 60 fps, but that's not really going to happen (and doesn't happen when rooted). Seems like more of an issue with the OS at this point than a hardware limitation, however.
Rooting doesn't really provide the boost one would hope. Android still putters along at a slow framerate most of the time.Dreams-Visions said:
Vyer said:Seriously dude? A deflect? :lol did you even read the posts leading up to that?
Why would you assume dark doesn't know this? He said it's an issue for HIM. Don't worry, he's not tarnishing the EVO.
Yes, I read the posts leading up to that. Did you read my response? It's a software limitation put there by HTC due to the HDMI output. They could choose to put out a software update to fix it if they decide enough people are asking for it or whatever their criteria is. As someone else posted, if you root you can fix it yourself now. I must be one of the only EVO users on here that hasn't rooted, but it's really not that big of a deal to me. If I hadn't read it online I never would have known it was artificially limited to 30 FPS. Let a lot of people use it as well and they always comment on how smooth it is.
civilstrife
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Isn't the fix as easy as putting a thin layer of liquid rubber on the exposed antenna?
I think they should offer free bumpers and/or an in-store quick fix.
I think they should offer free bumpers and/or an in-store quick fix.
Find me an Android device that can display all OS related scrolling, web page scrolling, and map scrolling at 60 fps then.Talon- said:
The EVO is pretty powerful hardware, isn't it? When rooted, it should be able to handle the entire interface at 60 fps...but it doesn't.
The Nexus One with Froyo should be more than ample for this as well, but again, it cannot do it.
Then again, perhaps the graphics processing power of these phones is where the problem stems from?
So it's either an OS issue or all of the Android phones have weak graphics capabilities.
Not used the EVO myself, but I do love the crispness of using the iPhone, I think if anything the resolution is a bigger issue, only having the iPhone not even a week and my disdain towards lower res displays is pretty deep at this point, the 3GS looks like ass in comparison, I stopped playing Persona 3 Portable on PSP because it's eye wounding. It's like when you go to HD with TVs, for a few hours it's stunning, then it's just normal and SD is unacceptable, the 'gee-whiz' aspect dies very shortly then it's just the standard.
60fps is nice, but the retina display is a far greater benefit to me.
60fps is nice, but the retina display is a far greater benefit to me.
gutterboy44
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:lol I love GAF. Apple threads always deliver. I love just jumping from page 1 to the last page in these threads. The rate of devolution is astonishing.
^60fps shit :lol
Hoping my 3GS survives iOS4.0 until some new Android or Win 7 phones come out. I liked my 3GS a lot, just kind of bored with iOS these days. I want widgets damn it.
^60fps shit :lol
Hoping my 3GS survives iOS4.0 until some new Android or Win 7 phones come out. I liked my 3GS a lot, just kind of bored with iOS these days. I want widgets damn it.
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I would guess that you're seeing an OS issue. Clearly framerate matters a lot to you and you may be one of those people that sees framerate drops that myself and most other people wouldn't notice. The modern Android phones are comparable to anything else out there hardware-wise, so I don't think it's that.
The Faceless Master
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it was 1 year originally.dark10x said:
iirc, Nintendo started the move from 90 days to 1 year with the Gameboy Advance and Gamecube, and then the DS, Xbox 360, PSP, Wii and PS3 followed suit.
Err, the scrolling of the web page is still much choppier. Mobile Safari runs at double the framerate of the Android browser on a Froyo Nexus One.pxleyes said:
The faster JS performance certainly doesn't seem to have a huge impact when browsing most sites over 3G. I used a Nexus One with Froyo side by side with my iPhone4.
The actual real time user experience of the iPhone4 is simply smoother overall. The areas where Froyo is faster doesn't really make a huge difference in comparison. Smoother scrolling and zooming is more important than java script performance.
Escape Goat
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gutterboy44 said:
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SnakeswithLasers
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Just my opinion, but it feels like the issue is quickly getting big enough and mainstream enough that "admitting there is a problem" is a formality. But I could be wrong.mj1108 said:
Yeah, basically, it's better for them if consumers are left with a busted product. If Apple can't make them quick enough as it is, I would say the people who care about this is actually far smaller than this thread would suggest. I know mine has been incredible so far, I will by buying the next iPhone without question at this point. I really don't believe I'm alone, by any stretch.DR2K said:
If this was affecting everyone, and people were going to take their business elsewhere, it wouldn't be good for Apple, but I don't see that happening.
Interfectum
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"busted product" :lol
Jesus Christ you anti-Apple zealots are turning this into a religion. If Apple did recall the iPhone I'm sure some of you would be dancing naked in the streets rubbing your balls on Android posters.
Jesus Christ you anti-Apple zealots are turning this into a religion. If Apple did recall the iPhone I'm sure some of you would be dancing naked in the streets rubbing your balls on Android posters.
Interfectum
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pxleyes said:
Sure thing sport. :lol
I'm not ignoring the facts. You're the one who's harping on numbers. Find me some benchmark numbers detailing the framerate while scrolling then. Those java script benchmarks have NOTHING to do with this. It's a completely separate issue.pxleyes said:
Put the two side by side and you'll see what I mean.
A Nexus One running Froyo scrolls at a lower framerate than an iPhone4 running iOS4. That is reality, not opinion. You seem to be in denial about this. If 30 fps scrolling is your idea of EXTREMELY smooth, though, then I guess it must be so.
Absolutely. The antenna design was a terrible oversight on their part. Perhaps one of the worst mistakes they've ever made. I don't think anyone can deny this.
It is opinion until you show some hard facts. You are still going off the opinion of what your eyes see or what you think they see.dark10x said:
Despite what you would like to claim, the N1 is not slow, choppy, or even "just kind of smooth" in scrolling. It is downright blazing, and yes, that is my opinion.
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Maybe it's the fact that the phones were camouflaged when being used in the wild that they didn't pick up on the reception issues? Still, I find that unlikely, they should have been able to pick up on this. I bet they found about the issue but were already too far along to re-engineer the phone to fix the problem.
Couldn't they just make two antennas for the next model, one on each side so if one antenna is bridging it can switch the other one?
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Can't believe people laugh at dark10x for bringing up the 60FPS. It does make a big difference, and is one of the reasons interaction on the iphone feels so 'right'. His post on that is pretty much spot-on.
I tried using Evo the other day and interface feels very laggy/jittery in comparison, and it's for that exact reason. I could spot the lack of smoothness from the first second of use.
I tried using Evo the other day and interface feels very laggy/jittery in comparison, and it's for that exact reason. I could spot the lack of smoothness from the first second of use.
Unfortunately, there ARE no benchmarks available for this. Nobody has tested this. Seems absolutely ridiculous to me that it hasn't been touched upon.pxleyes said:
Have you used an iPhone4 side by side with a Froyo Nexus One? The Nexus One owning friend thought I was full of shit until I directly showed him. He saw the difference and changed his tune to "oh well, it doesn't matter". That's fine. It's still usable, but it absolutely runs at a lower framerate.
Hopefully someone else can chime in on this. It's so painfully obvious.
Can you find any numbers which you think prove me wrong? I sure as hell can't find any.
Thank you. I can't believe I'm being attacked over this. It seems like such a no brainer thing, but people act like I'm crazy for thinking a higher framerate would improve the user experience.
This is definitely something Apple understands. On older firmware, even the original iPhone could do a lot of scrolling at 60 fps.
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Interfectum said:
The product is certainly busted, and that's not even half as much of an insult to consumers as how Apple has handled this.
It's been amazing to watch Apple (and Apple fans) try to defend the iPhone4 design through a "Better, when it works" argument. Duly noted, but Apple's not the "Better, when it works" company, they're the "It Just Works (And Better)" company. If one of their competitors tried such an argument for one of their own products, Apple would hammer them mercilessly for it, so it shouldn't be a surprise that Apple would suffer the same.
When I used an Ipod touch, it wouldn't recognize half my swipes apparently I have to scroll my finger slow as molasses to get to work, on my droid this works fine. Whats the point of 60fps if you can't swipe as fast as possible, seems worthless (Oh and the browser crashed about 5 times in 15 minutes).
I have the HTC Aria and it definitely scrolls smoother than my friend's Nexus One with Froyo and menu navigation is at least as responsive as my wife's 3gs.
I haven't seen a direct Evo and Aria comparison, but I think because of the Aria's smaller screen (and thus lower res) it handles navigation with ease. It may just be more noticeable on devices with larger screens.
It doesn't seem to be a perfect 60 fps, but there's definitely no blatant lag.
I haven't seen a direct Evo and Aria comparison, but I think because of the Aria's smaller screen (and thus lower res) it handles navigation with ease. It may just be more noticeable on devices with larger screens.
It doesn't seem to be a perfect 60 fps, but there's definitely no blatant lag.
Err, there is something wrong with your iPod then as that is absolutely not a problem. You can swipe very quickly. Was there a screen protector on it? I've found that layering plastic all over a capacitive screen can make it less responsive.krzy123 said:
If you have to scroll slowly on an iOS device, there is a problem.
Actually, now that you mention it, I DID use an Aria at a store for a minute or so recently and it scrolls much smoother than the Nexus One, EVO, and Droid. It's still not perfect, but it's definitely a big improvement in that regard. This definitely points to the issue being the graphics chip used in these phones as the Aria uses a 480x320 screen which is much easier to drive than an 800 or 854x480 screen.
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krzy123 said:
Sounds like a broken iPod, or you haven't touched one since the buggy 2.0 release.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=np_znhgcAg4krzy123 said:
This video shows that the iPhone has the most sensitive/accurate touch sensor of any of the phones last gen...so I'm having a hard time believing you.
Go for it.StuBurns said:
I typically hate cases as well, but I think the bumper looks really nice. I'm not denying that the naked phone looks better (it does), but it still looks great when fitted with the bumper.
Hopefully you get the proper rubber bumper. There are two of them out there, it seems. The one I have has shiny plastic (similar in appearance to the non-screen portions of the phone) with rubber along the edges. I've heard that some of the colored bumpers were simply all hard plastic, however. :\
Apple are making two different kinds? I just ordered the only black one I saw on their site. I shall just hope for the best.dark10x said:
To be honest, it does like kind of bad in pics, but until I see it on the phone in my hand, it's hard to say if it's acceptable or not, I think it should be okay, it's certainly nothing like the usual cases I've seen and strongly disliked.
StuBurns said:
there were some pics of a white bumper on a black iphone on macrumors that were shit hot. i don't like the look of the black one but the white /black contrast looked great.
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=954456
edit: you can see how some parts are light grey rubber and some parts white plastic
CharminUltra
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Android fanbois are becoming just as, if not worse, than Apple fanboys.pxleyes said:
Android fanboys = Apple fanboys + off the charts hipocrisy
What makes it work for me is that it actually looks like it is a part of the phone. The metal buttons on the bumper are much better than those that typically are included on cases and feel about as good as the buttons on the actual phone. At first, the sleep button was a bit overly sensitive for me, but that cleared up.StuBurns said:
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