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"Pre-Planned" Flight causes chaos in NYC today
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Ether_Snake
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Tell me that was a mere "photo op".
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090427/ap_on_go_pr_wh/us_low_flying_plane_purpose
:lol
Joe Shlabotnik
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Ether_Snake said:
I have a stupid question.
Why wouldn't they announce that it was actually a drill after it was over? Rather than, you know, looking completely ridiculous.
Ether_Snake
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Joe Shlabotnik said:
Cause saying it was a drill AFTER would make them look worst? Saying it was a mistake gets the thing done and done and they move on, especially when Caldera takes responsibility right away.
At worst it was really a photo op, but really, that's retarded, and you'd think they would have explained it.
WolfofMebu
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Cloudy said:
For pictures like this:
JohnTinker
Limbaugh Parrot
so were the illuminati flying the plane too?
Joe Shlabotnik
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Ether_Snake said:
So they were willing to cause a minor-bordering-on-major panic to test our preparedness in the vanishingly small chance that terrorists attempt to attack using the exact same method they did last time even though it's the only scenario we can actually anticipate now.
xbhaskarx said:
How much do you think it cost?
Obviously you have the costs to both the 747 and the fighter jet, then you interrupt the most congested and convoluted airspace in the world, then you inadvertently cause unknown economic loses by shutting down several buildings.
Compared to the cost of a good photoshop.
jonnybryce
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Ether_Snake said:
:lol , damn.
Yeah, this isn't a photo op. That's fucking retarded. This was a practice run of some sort. Why, for what, who knows, but it wasn't to snap a pretty picture. And it was fucking stupid to throw New Yorkers off guard like that. That's really cruel and horrible.
idahoblue said:
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See Ether_Snake's post, and see fucking retarded act with even more retarded justification.
idahoblue said:
I think I am agreeing with you. Anyone who read CNN.com this week read tons of stories about Whitehouse photography projects. I'm not saying a conspiracy isn't possible, I'm just saying that pulling off this test successfully is far less likely than the Occam's razor here:
It just happened like they said.
I would actually agree with the "test" theory here, if it wasn't for the fact that such a test would hardly require Airforce One. Only one thing would require that. A Photo of Airforce One over NY.
Same panic could have been achieved with vanilla 747 and an airline cover story.
Joe Shlabotnik
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Also, honestly? The government doesn't give a shit about office evacuations. That's the city's responsibility at most and really just each individual company/building's responsibility. The government is not going to loan out Air Force One just to see how fast lower Manhattan can empty out. Which, by the way, emptied itself out surprisingly quickly and safely on 9/11.
I work right next to Ground Zero and our building has this wacky way of preparing for an emergency: fire drills. Whether it's fire, blackout, or 7 World Trade collapsing again, the procedure is the same.
I work right next to Ground Zero and our building has this wacky way of preparing for an emergency: fire drills. Whether it's fire, blackout, or 7 World Trade collapsing again, the procedure is the same.
Karma Kramer
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Joe Shlabotnik said:
An attack on America will directly be blamed on the Government as them not doing enough to keep us safe. The more deaths the worse it looks for them.
jonnybryce
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idahoblue said:
If you can't see it, then nothing I can say will make you see it. You've chosen your side, why waste my time? I don't mind if someone on the internet doesn't agree with me, I don't need to persuade you. I don't mind taking a moment to lol at you, though.
Ether_Snake
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OuterWorldVoice said:
What airline company? How do you get some airline company to make up some story like that? Really. The military would have had to have some airline company part of some plan to have a jet escorted over NY, in secrecy.
You're the ones with the conspiracy theories :lol
Justin Bailey
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Someone else said it best, this place turns into grade school when a conspiracy theory gets involved.
Joe Shlabotnik
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Karma Kramer said:
As I noted, evacuation procedures--which is all this ridiculous "secret mission" could feasibly "test" --are neither difficult nor problematic and worked fine even when we didn't have eight years to prepare for the one thing that will never ever happen again.
Ether_Snake
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Come on, next thing you know you'll find Air Force One parked at McDonald's. Oh it's just a photo op sorry we didn't tell you all!
Really?
And why in the world would it never happen? Did you forget the guys used fucking box cutters? This shit could happen any day again.
Joe Shlabotnik said:
Really?
And why in the world would it never happen? Did you forget the guys used fucking box cutters? This shit could happen any day again.
Ether_Snake said:
Don't you see? You're answering your own question. Why wouldn't it have been easier for the military to escort a vanilla jet as a drill and say, "this was a necessary drill and we needed to see real reaction, sorry for the inconvenience."
"Oh good the govt is taking terrisms srsly!"
Win. Win.
Time to accept it was a dumb photoshoot.
Karma Kramer
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OuterWorldVoice said:
I really don't think the government can perform tests without informing the public. Therefore they have to blame it on something.
Joe Shlabotnik
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Also, if there's any danger here, it's on Air Force One, which, even without the President on it, would probably look bad getting blown out of the sky, hence the (regrettable) decision not give the general population a heads up of exactly when and where the plane will be doing a very low flyover.
Karma Kramer
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Joe Shlabotnik said:
I really don't think people could tell it was air force one from far away.
Joe Shlabotnik
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Karma Kramer said:
...uh, yes, exactly. Because there was no advance announcement that it was Air Force One.
Karma Kramer
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Joe Shlabotnik said:
So... I don't follow your point then. If you can't tell if its Air Force One from the ground... then it makes all the more sense to use a famous plane like Air Force One as the test plane... and then blame it on a photo shoot.
Joe Shlabotnik
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I'm saying there is some security risk to Air Force One doing a low flyover, which is probably why they elected not to inform the general population what they were doing ahead of time.
Ether_Snake
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Like someone shooting it down?
If that was the case they would have used the damn Photoshop, not go and do it and dispatch fighter jets.
If that was the case they would have used the damn Photoshop, not go and do it and dispatch fighter jets.Karma Kramer
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Joe Shlabotnik said:
So you are saying they lied when they said it was a mistake the public wasn't informed?
Joe Shlabotnik
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Ether_Snake said:Like someone shooting it down?
What's with all this Photoshop talk? They want pictures of Air Force One flying by landmarks because they want real pictures of Air Force One flying by landmarks. How tacky do you think the White House is?
And yes, they don't want Air Force One shot down. A rather unlikely scenario, but then they probably didn't want to "test" whether any Stinger missiles had ever been smuggled into NYC.
The official statement doesn't say it was a mistake not to inform the public. The apology is for the disruption the photo op caused, not for any communication error.Karma Kramer said:
There was no good way to execute this, and they should have just skipped the entire endeavor.
After thinking about this, I've come to conclusion that the government couldn't inform the public about this. Every AFO mission is classified and it has always been this way.
NatGeo aired an interesting special about Air Force One a few months ago, some of you guys should watch it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phBxwFSaIF0&feature=PlayList&p=B0FC22C2AC268652&index=0
With that being said, they should have known better.
NatGeo aired an interesting special about Air Force One a few months ago, some of you guys should watch it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phBxwFSaIF0&feature=PlayList&p=B0FC22C2AC268652&index=0
With that being said, they should have known better.
MrPing1000
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Whoever ok'd this has big old brass balls. Or is a little retarded.
benjipwns
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ElectricThunder
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If ya missed The Daily Show last night, check it for Stewart's reaction to this bizarre mess. Funny yet probably accurately communicates many people's feelings.
More videos:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RlCiYAMk8Lg&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-TPjJ4PXXMc&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Is3HhZlVrgo&feature=related
That screeching sound that it makes as it passes by is just sick. Man that would freak me out too if I were in NYC watching that.
Very odd choice by the defense department for doing this. Louis Caldera should loose his job over this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RlCiYAMk8Lg&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-TPjJ4PXXMc&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Is3HhZlVrgo&feature=related
That screeching sound that it makes as it passes by is just sick. Man that would freak me out too if I were in NYC watching that.
Very odd choice by the defense department for doing this. Louis Caldera should loose his job over this.
Rentahamster
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...so they scared the living shit out of NYC for this crappy-ass photo?
http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/05/08/white-house-official-resigns-over-flyover/
WTF?
If this was supposed to be an official photoshoot, then they sure did a horrible job at it. I wonder if there's a photo with the EXIF data intact so I can see what kind of camera was used.
There goes $328,835. Way to go, Obama administration.
http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/05/08/white-house-official-resigns-over-flyover/
WTF?
If this was supposed to be an official photoshoot, then they sure did a horrible job at it. I wonder if there's a photo with the EXIF data intact so I can see what kind of camera was used.
There goes $328,835. Way to go, Obama administration.
Joe Shlabotnik
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Caldera resigned, by the way. Now that's what I call "sticking to the cover story".
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