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Prediction Time!! More Wiis than 360s in homes come January?

Baryn said:
If you can't see the difference between Mass Effect and Mario.. I mean.. @_@
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Of course they're different games .

But you're saying that talking about/playing something like Galaxy would be embarrasing are you not? (I'm saying this as someone whos looking forward more to Halo 3/Prime 3 than Galaxy)

If so - grow up.

Games are for kids in the first place, you know.
 
Try as they might to make games look "mature", they are still seen with a anime/dungeons and dragons/comic book manchild stigma.

Unless it is something like The Sims, Wii Sports(both use a very generic aesthetic), LBP and Mario(not trying too hard and both are meant to be playful and endearing) or Grand Theft Auto(a very good exception), most will fall into the man-child trap, especially, and especially if it involves any sort of magic and aliens(or anything supernatural, for that matter).
 
I still don't really view them as competing for the same market. It's like comparing Ford F150 Truck sales to Honda Accord Car sales. Two way different type of people are buying both vehicles, but you do have the occasional garages with both in them.
 
HocusPocus said:
I still don't really view them as competing for the same market. It's like comparing Ford F150 Truck sales to Honda Accord Car sales. Two way different type of people are buying both vehicles, but you do have the occasional garages with both in them.
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The average customer is going to buy one or the other. We as hardcore gamers buy multiple consoles but Joe Consumer does not. They are absolutely competing, and believe me, MS and Sony know it.
 
HocusPocus said:
I still don't really view them as competing for the same market. It's like comparing Ford F150 Truck sales to Honda Accord Car sales. Two way different type of people are buying both vehicles, but you do have the occasional garages with both in them.
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At the end of the day, most people who buy cars will use them to...move around. Those with specific needs are a very few minority. A vast majority of those who drive cars designed for specific uses were more or less sold on the marketing and price, rather than by the specific utility of that particular car.
 
I just like how the OP acts like your typical troll when someone challenges their opinion/orginal post, with attacks that those people lack reading comprehension, comprehension at all, and basically calling people who don't immediately agree with them stupid.

If you've got the balls to post a topic we see about 3 times a week, at least have the brains and balls to actually defend your opinion with the grounds and information you used to forumalte that opinion; rather than just calling people stupid.
 
Just these two games alone make me doubt Wii's potential to continue its steady dominance over 360 sales. But then we have Mass Effect, Lost Odyssey, Bioshock, Call of Duty 4, and the list goes on. These are games you can actually chat with your mainstream adult contemporaries about, and play in front of never-gaming women without coming off a manchild, unlike many of the releases in Wii's holiday lineup.
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If you can actually go up to a nongamer and say stuff along the lines of 'So, how 'bout that Bioshock? You know, I hear there's this system in place where you can choose to save the lives of 8-year old looking girls and get a little power up, or you can choose to eviscerate them and get a lot of power up. Cool, huh?', then I either envy you or pity you and I'm not quite sure which.
 
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karasu said:
So, Nintendo guys have went two generations avoiding sales info like the plague and now they just can't shut up about it already.
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Conversely, Sony guys loved talking about sales and were quite avid contributors in MC/NPD threads until relatively recently. (Although, handheld sales have always been favorable for Nintendo.)

Anyway, there is no way Nintendo will be able to ship enough Wiis to pass the 360 installed base in the US by January. Worldwide is a different matter.
 
Segata Sanshiro said:
In NA homes? Nintendo doesn't have a chance, no.
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It does seem unlikely given 360's lineup and a possible price drop.

But what about the Wii hasn't been unlikely?
 
ethelred said:
Now, now, Segs. A .0000001% chance is still a chance! Don't crush their hopes and dreams.
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But my hopes and dreams ride on crushing others hopes and dreams. :(

Tobor: It would also have been difficult in any case given the pure number they still need to catch up on. But yes, having Halo makes it even more unlikely.
 
Rowsdower said:
The Wii's sales will surpass the 360s by the end of the year, i don't think there is a way around that.
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Worldwide, it might be done in a month..in N.A, its going to be a while.
 
Woo-Fu said:
More Wiis? Maybe.
More software? Not a chance in hell.
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QFT. Truthfully, are 3rd parties going to really make money on the Wii? Don't get me wrong I want(still looking for) one. But I only want it for the first party stuff. As the case with alot of other people.
 
in US? more 360. the lead is currently not passable this year. but worldwide, it actually may already be the wii that is winning. The 360 will definitely win software sales.
 
FIREBABY said:
QFT. Truthfully, are 3rd parties going to really make money on the Wii? Don't get me wrong I want(still looking for) one. But I only want it for the first party stuff. As the case with alot of other people.
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Third parties in N.A are doing solidly on the Wii in relation to the quality of games released.

Rayman and Red Steel have shipped a million worldwide.

Trauma Center is Atlas's best selling U.S game (or very nearly there).

Tiger Woods Wii sold better than the PS3 version and is probably approaching the 360's version.


Tomorrow I expect very good sales for RE4, Harry Potter, and possibly the BIGS.


So yeah, I mean obviously its not selling like the 360 3rd party games (of course, the quality of the games haven't been as high) but its doing a lot better than the PS3.
 
FIREBABY said:
QFT. Truthfully, are 3rd parties going to really make money on the Wii? Don't get me wrong I want(still looking for) one. But I only want it for the first party stuff. As the case with alot of other people.
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3rd parties are already making money on Wii, so I don't think that is much of a concern.

I was pushing the point that 360 owners buy a lot of software(in comparison to other platforms) and IMHO, the new gamers the Wii is targeting aren't going to buy lots of software.
I've got a stack of FPS and RPG games next to me, but how many different versions of Sudoku is Grandma going to want?
 
Woo-Fu said:
3rd parties are already making money on Wii, so I don't think that is much of a concern.

I was pushing the point that 360 owners buy a lot of software(in comparison to other platforms) and IMHO, the new gamers the Wii is targeting aren't going to buy lots of software.
I've got a stack of FPS and RPG games next to me, but how many different versions of Sudoku is Grandma going to want?
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Hard to say...how many generic FPSs, jRPGs, and racing games do we want? I'm sure the third parties will sort it out in the end.
 
FIREBABY said:
QFT. Truthfully, are 3rd parties going to really make money on the Wii? Don't get me wrong I want(still looking for) one. But I only want it for the first party stuff. As the case with alot of other people.
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This is an interesting question. You should start a thread about it.
 
Woo-Fu said:
how many different versions of Sudoku is Grandma going to want?
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You forgot. Grandma doesn't play games.:D Wii has more postive press than anything I've seen in my years of gaming. Just last week, my local paper printed a story about how playing with Wii helped this elderly person gain movement in his arm after a stroke. Guess what he was playing? Wii sports.
 
I'm a huge fan of the Wii, but you can only make the same point so many times. Isn't there a thread with a countdown to when the Wii will pass the 360's worldwide sales?
 
JKBii said:
I'm a huge fan of the Wii, but you can only make the same point so many times. Isn't there a thread with a countdown to when the Wii will pass the 360's worldwide sales?
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Yes, but this one is about North America. The difference is that he'll get a different answer from the hardcore stats guys than he would if he asked the WW question.
 
Segata Sanshiro said:
Hard to say...how many generic FPSs, jRPGs, and racing games do we want? I'm sure the third parties will sort it out in the end.
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Uhh, why did you quote me?

A) In my post I mentioned the stack of FPS and jRPGs I've got, which should have made it obvious that I want lots of FPS and jRPG games. You can call them generic if you want, I'll call each one a new adventure.

B) I said third parties were already making money on the Wii, hence there isn't anything I think they need to sort out in the end.

C) You ignore the last part of what I said, which is that Grandma doesn't need or want 6 different Sudoku games. She'll pick one and if she likes it that'll be it.

FIREBABY said:
You forgot. Grandma doesn't play games.:D Wii has more postive press than anything I've seen in my years of gaming. Just last week, my local paper printed a story about how playing with Wii helped this elderly person gain movement in his arm after a stroke. Guess what he was playing? Wii sports.
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How many copies of Wii Sports were sold that weren't a packin with the console? You need to pick other titles if you're trying to argue this particular point.
 
Woo-Fu said:
Uhh, why did you quote me?

A) In my post I mentioned the stack of FPS and jRPGs I've got, which should have made it obvious that I want lots of FPS and jRPG games. You can call them generic if you want, I'll call each one a new adventure.

B) I said third parties were already making money on the Wii, hence there isn't anything I think they need to sort out in the end.

C) You ignore the last part of what I said, which is that Grandma doesn't need or want 6 different Sudoku games. She'll pick one and if she likes it that'll be it.
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I like to quote things for no reason.

HOW DARE YOU INSULT MY FATHER THAT WAY
 
Markster said:
Wait--

Are we referring to some kind of wealth of jRPGs on the 360???

My, oh my, how times have changed.
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I don't know about Woo Foo as I haven't read his post, but I was more speaking to the broader gaming market.

Clearly the PS2 is still where it's at for generic jRPG.
 
Segata Sanshiro said:
Yes, but this one is about North America. The difference is that he'll get a different answer from the hardcore stats guys than he would if he asked the WW question.
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Yea, but it seems like an inevitability that the Wii will be the best seller in every territory eventually. It doesn't even follow traditional gaming console sales models because demand is much larger than supply. Nintendo could move back all of its new titles to next year and the Wii would still have a great Christmas in America (and everywhere else) because the Oprah watching soccer moms have not all gotten a chance to buy one.
 
It won't simply because Nintendo can't produce that many Wiis. Any spike 360 sees this holiday from Halo and GTA would be instantly countered by Nintendo's big hitters if the supply wasn't so constrained, but as is they sell out 100% of stock anyway. It won't happen in NA by Janauray, but I'd say almost definatley by this time next year.
 
Markster said:
Wait--

Are we referring to some kind of wealth of jRPGs on the 360???

My, oh my, how times have changed.
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No, I wasn't talking about the 360. I was talking about ps2 games. When it comes to jRPGs, that is where the times have changed the least. The ps2 is still the king.

I was just using it as a genre where the traditional gamer buys multiple titles, not saying that the 360 has a pile of jRPGs.
 
But then we have Mass Effect, Lost Odyssey, Bioshock, Call of Duty 4, and the list goes on. These are games you can actually chat with your mainstream adult contemporaries about
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So, I'm at the golf course, about to tee off on another exciting round with my friend, Bob, from work. Then he tugs at my flannel pants: "Tim, what do you think about Mass Effect? Have its social underpinnings been as dramatic to you as they have been to me? Lordy mercy, when will those kids ever learn?!"
 
As far as the supply issue, not saying it will outsell the 360 here, but it is worth noting that when they released their estimates for Wii this fiscal year, Iwata mentioned they were not based on their production capacity, but rather based on how many they realistically thought they could sell. And of course he said they could ultimately end up higher or lower.
 
Nintendo is going to sell every single hardware unit they can put on the shelves this holiday season. The question is going to be whether the considerable amount of hardware MS is going to sell will surpass that just due in fact to Nintendo not being able to make enough. I think whatever stockpiles of systems MS has are irrelevant in that their built up inventory will simply dwarf both Nintendo's stockpiles (negligible) and their own demand for the system, They only need enough stockpile to exceed demand for their system and to exceed supply of the Wii, everything else is baggage if a hardware revision has not been introduced at that point. This Holiday is Xbox Demand vs. Wii Production. its that simple IMO

System reliability issues assuming they even address those prior to "Falcon" rather than just ride the wave with extended warranties, could come into play, but I doubt that, there is a reason they ate that pill in June.

Microsoft is going to sell a metric ****ton of software and edge out Nintendo (though Mario Galaxy, SSBB and Sonic+Mario, which will sell more than metroid, will all do fantastic). Nintendo will be the worldwide hardware leader by this time, and will be ahead of MS only if it continues to sell as it has been and they have managed to up production sufficiently. (I doubt it)

karasu said:
So, Nintendo guys have went two generations avoiding sales info like the plague and now they just can't shut up about it already. This topic has to have been posted about five times in the last week.
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bullshit. some of the main contributors to the sales threads, JJSloan etc. are what you would consider "Nintendo Guys" and they participated pretty heavily last gen as well. the little termites that crawl out of the woodwork come in every console variety. You just notice this breed's maddening chewing sounds more readily now.. for some reason ;)
 
Games and prices have nothing to do with whether the Wii will pass the 360 this year in the U.S./NA. Nintendo won't produce enough to overcome the 360's lead this year, so the question is moot.

2007 Weekly Average (U.S.):
360 - 47.7K (min: 38.7K in May)
Wii - 78.6K (max: 90K in April)

U.S. totals through May:
360 - 5.6 million
Wii - 2.8 million

Let's assume the Wii sells at its max through October and the 360 sells at its minimum through October and receives no bump from Halo 3 or GTAIV.

Stupid U.S. totals through October:
360 - 6.4 million
WII - 4.8 million

For November and December, let's assume that the 360 sells what it did last year and the Wii sells as much as the average Nov/Dec for the PS2 (2001-2006).

Extra stupid U.S. totals through December:
360 - 8.1 million
WII - 7.3 million

The Wii won't pass the 360 in the U.S. (or NA) this year.
 
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