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Pretty huge 360 pricedrop (EU/NL)

oldergamer said:
That's funny because currently neither does PS3. Not that any of those game matter to this discussion. Fifa, GTA, and Pro Evo matter more to Europe then the three games you mentioned.

You don't buy the PS3 for now. You buy it for LATER.
 
gtj1092 said:
Hasnt the 360 always been cheaper than the PS3. I dont think there are more people waiting for the price of the 360 to go down than there are waiting for MGS4 and GT5. At least that is the perception I get from NeoGaFfers that actually live in Europe and not just people rooting for their console.
NeoGAF is *not* representative of any national demographic. And in this case relative price isn't as important as ACTUAL price. History has shown that large swathes of people only consider buying consoles when they get below certain price barriers. Whoever gets there first usually captures a large chunk of them.
 
cjelly said:
Falus meltdown in 3, 2, 1...
fanboy1.jpg
is that you? cant hear ya' sorry
 
f@luS said:
thats funny because GTA isnt released yet. And PS3 will play at least GRAN turismo and Metal gear by the time GTA is released (well , 2 weeks later only).
And Gran turismo < Fifa? roflmao
try again

... and we have a new HANS people.

Look, you're argument is fucking stupid. What matters in Europe is the best price to play the games that are the most popular there. Metal gear is only popular among those that were in to previous versions ( sorry, that's not a big audience). It's not a sports title that appeals to the entire sports market in Europe. The GTA games were more popular then GT and Metal Gear combined. A game people can buy for the 360 at a much lower price then the PS3.

F@lus - Failed.
 
f@luS said:
fanboy1.jpg
is that you? cant hear ya' sorry

Lol, I called you HANS when it's clear you are not. That image you posted is a signature TJhooker move. He always uses photoshops to make fun of people that argue with him. Way to give away your alternate account.
 
oldergamer said:
Lol, I called you HANS when it's clear you are not. That image you posted is a signature TJhooker move. He always uses photoshops to make fun of people that argue with him. Way to give away your alternate account.

Nah TJhooker is actually intelligent.
 
oldergamer said:
... and we have a new HANS people.

Look, you're argument is fucking stupid. What matters in Europe is the best price to play the games that are the most popular there. Metal gear is only popular among those that were in to previous versions ( sorry, that's not a big audience). It's not a sports title that appeals to the entire sports market in Europe. The GTA games were more popular then GT and Metal Gear combined. A game people can buy for the 360 at a much lower price then the PS3.

F@lus - Failed.

you don't live in Europe. Right?
 
oldergamer said:
That's funny because currently neither does PS3. Not that any of those game matter to this discussion. Fifa, GTA, and Pro Evo matter more to Europe then the three games you mentioned.

:lol
Gta > Gran Turismo> fifa > pes

for uk

http://www.elspa.com/?i=3945

i france/spain /italy it's
gta >Gran Turismo > pes >>>fifa
:lol
 
oldergamer said:
... and we have a new HANS people.
dont know who the fuck he his

Look, you're argument is fucking stupid. What matters in Europe is the best price to play the games that are the most popular there.
Your argument is the stupid one because if it was legit, 360 would sell better in europe. You can play PES and fifa for cheaper , yet PS3 is selling better in europe , for these games and hardware wise for many months. And yet the 360 has always been cheaper. Its not only about the system price itself , but whats coming with. The whole package.
Metal gear is only popular among those that were in to previous versions ( sorry, that's not a big audience).
Metal gear not a big audience? Even the 3 who didnt sold that well for a MGS sold millions worldwide. Ure so wrong.
It's not a sports title that appeals to the entire sports market in Europe. The GTA games were more popular then GT and Metal Gear combined. A game people can buy for the 360 at a much lower price then the PS3.
GTA3 or vice city sold about 12-15 millions on many systems. Gran turismo 3 A spec sold 15millions on PS2 alone if i am correct.

F@lus - Failed.
Yeah sure :)

oldergamer said:
Lol, I called you HANS when it's clear you are not. That image you posted is a signature TJhooker move. He always uses photoshops to make fun of people that argue with him. Way to give away your alternate account.
Kid, im here for 3 years almost, dont know ur hooker , pimp or whatever ure calling for.
I just wrote "fanboy" on google image and saw this. I didnt even mention 360 when i searched it.
 
picsou said:
:lol
Gta > Gran Turismo> fifa > pes

for uk

http://www.elspa.com/?i=3945

i france/spain /italy it's
gta >Gran Turismo > pes >>>fifa
:lol
What do you think that link shows? Because I can't seem to find any logic to the order those games are listed at within. It's not alphabetical by any of the header fields, nor does it appear to be by sales - it has Halo 3 listed below Halo 2. Does anyone know what order they're placed in?
 
GTA3 or vice city sold about 12-15 millions on many systems. Gran turismo 3 A spec sold 15millions on PS2 alone if i am correct.
The most recent GTA sold about 20 million world wide while the most recent Gran Turismo (4) has sold half as much (9.5 million)
 
f@luS said:
dont know who the fuck he his


Your argument is the stupid one because if it was legit, 360 would sell better in europe. You can play PES and fifa for cheaper , yet PS3 is selling better in europe , for these games and hardware wise for many months. And yet the 360 has always been cheaper. Its not only about the system price itself , but whats coming with. The whole package.

Metal gear not a big audience? Even the 3 who didnt sold that well for a MGS sold millions worldwide. Ure so wrong.

GTA3 or vice city sold about 12-15 millions on many systems. Gran turismo 3 A spec sold 15millions on PS2 alone if i am correct.


Yeah sure :)


Kid, im here for 3 years almost, dont know ur hooker , pimp or whatever ure calling for.
I just wrote "fanboy" on google image and saw this. I didnt even mention 360 when i searched it.

The 360 Elite is more expensive then the 40g Ps3, while the Premium is only $50 cheaper, that's hardly enough to make to huge of a difference in price, however getting a console for GTA IV why wouldn't someone go with the console that is HALF the price.

The last MGS did like 3.5 million, that's half what the first 2 did.... and for what was supposed to be a huge blockbuster game that isn't that great.... it's just not on the same lvl as a GTA, Halo, GT, Gears, Smash bros, or CoD.


It's alot more accurate to look @ the sales of the more recent games though then their "Best seller" because the audience changes/competition comes out... and in that regard he is right. GT4 did ~9.5 million, the last MGS did something like ~3.5 million, Together those are only 13 million while San Andreas did 20 million. GT3 was also bundled.
 
f@luS said:
Your argument is the stupid one because if it was legit, 360 would sell better in europe.

The games that sell the most, are the games on the least expensive system with the most popular francises in that region, which is STILL the PS2 btw. That doesn't prove my argument wrong, it only validates that PRICE is a major factor in sales for popular games franchises.

Metal gear not a big audience? Even the 3 who didnt sold that well for a MGS sold millions worldwide. Ure so wrong.

The Matrix video game was universally panned as crap and still sold over 4 million units world wide. Even games that are technically crap can sell a few million units. That's not to say Metal Gear is crap, but it's certainly not as popular as it once was. Metal Gear was once incredibly popular, but each version has sold fewer units. Metal gear selling 2 million units is nothing to GTA selling 8 - 12 million units Call of Duty selling like crazy and Halo rounding things out with well over 6 million units. That's a point that can't be argued with.

GTA3 or vice city sold about 12-15 millions on many systems. Gran turismo 3 A spec sold 15millions on PS2 alone if i am correct.

I don't believe you are correct on those numbers for GT.
 
Xun said:
It's pretty obvious it'll drop RIGHT before GTA4.
For reference, the first price drop hit the US a couple weeks before it hit the PAL territories. I think it will come before the end of this month. They want to make a statement about how important Europe is and so they get the price cut and the attention for a bit first.
 
Hmmm 199.- for a 360 with HDMI sounds really nice :)

Anyone know if all arcades that have HDMI are falcons? Or do I have to look for something special.
 
oldergamer said:
The games that sell the most, are the games on the least expensive system with the most popular francises in that region, which is STILL the PS2 btw. That doesn't prove my argument wrong, it only validates that PRICE is a major factor in sales for popular games franchises.

The most popular consoles sell the most, regardless of price. A price cut could help, but only if there's positive brand awareness. The PS3 has been outselling the 360 in Europe for the past six months despite the higher price, it could well be doing that for another six months.
 
For comparison reasons, could someone post the current prices of the Wii and 40 GB PS3 over in Europe? Sorry if it was posted before, but I didn't see it in the pages I read.
 
Even if the Price-cut doesn't make them beat the Ps3 in Europe every week, it will work to re-close the gap between the 2 consoles....
 
Ariexv said:
Even if the Price-cut doesn't make them beat the Ps3 in Europe every week, it will work to re-close the gap between the 2 consoles....

For example, MS just has to keep it within 1M a year, and they will still be leading after ~7 years. However, don't let facts stand in the way of anything.
 
Flipside said:
Hmmm 199.- for a 360 with HDMI sounds really nice :)

Anyone know if all arcades that have HDMI are falcons? Or do I have to look for something special.

all arcades are falcon, infact, if it has hdmi port, its 99.999% sure to be falcon
 
ymmv said:
The most popular consoles sell the most, regardless of price. A price cut could help, but only if there's positive brand awareness. The PS3 has been outselling the 360 in Europe for the past six months despite the higher price, it could well be doing that for another six months.

PS3 didn't start doing really well until after the 40Gb was introduced ...
 
squatingyeti said:
For example, MS just has to keep it within 1M a year, and they will still be leading after ~7 years. However, don't let facts stand in the way of anything.

yes the ps3 price won't drop in 2008...
 
cjelly said:
Silver: Over 100k
Gold: Over 200k
Platinum: Over 300k
Double Platinum: Over 600k
Diamond: Over 1mil

And ELSPA is only UK.
Oh no, I meant the ordering within those categories. It doesn't seem to be by sales total, else I'm sure H3 would be above H2 even for just the UK...
 
Sir Fragula said:
Oh no, I meant the ordering within those categories. It doesn't seem to be by sales total, else I'm sure H3 would be above H2 even for just the UK...
No, the lists are quite randomly placed.

Just Ctrl+F and search for the game.
 
all arcades are falcon, infact, if it has hdmi port, its 99.999% sure to be falcon

That is pretty cool. Hope the Falcons really do make less noise and don't break down on me 3 times in 6 month like my premium :)

ag-my001 said:
For comparison reasons, could someone post the current prices of the Wii and 40 GB PS3 over in Europe? Sorry if it was posted before, but I didn't see it in the pages I read.

I think this is the new list:

€199,- 360 Arcade
€249,- Wii
€269,- 360 Premium
€369,- 360 Elite
€399,- PS3 40gb
 
Glad to see MS is finally getting aggressive.

Hopefully these cuts make their way to NA.

$199.99 Arcade is more important to GTA4 than extra episodes. People can get a system and the game for a little over $250.
 
squatingyeti said:
For example, MS just has to keep it within 1M a year, and they will still be leading after ~7 years. However, don't let facts stand in the way of anything.

So Europe = worldwide sales. I was unaware X360 sold 7 million more in Europe alone....
 
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