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[BakedPigeon]

Who here is actually going to get a 360 because of this pricedrop, im just curious as to what difference this will make in europe.

 

[CrunchinJelly]

So...people do not buy PS3 because is expensive, but they would get the wrong idea if they had to see such a big pricecut?

Seriously, I'm not following you there.

I'm using the Falus effect.

Do keep up at the back.

 

[stotch]

Who here is actually going to get a 360 because of this pricedrop, im just curious as to what difference this will make in europe.

80% of PS2 sales came after it dropped to 200 dollars. Could be a significant figure or could be that the PS2 has been around for so long. Either way Gaf is the 20%.

 

[Odysseus]

i take it there was no reference to the 60gb rumor.

my guess is that sooner rather than later you'll see a $229 arcade, $299 premium w/60 gb hdd, $399 elite in america. i don't think the 1:1 usd:euro pricing standard will hold, but it won't be too far off.

 

[iceatcs]

Damn I should hold another 4 months, oh well.

I don't think we will get 60GB sooner in Europe, but I hope they will get 120GB HDD cheaper if there is more MMO coming up or more movies from Marketplace.

 

[stotch]

i take it there was no reference to the 60gb rumor.

my guess is that sooner rather than later you'll see a $229 arcade, $299 premium w/60 gb hdd, $399 elite in america. i don't think the 1:1 usd:euro pricing standard will hold, but it won't be too far off.

MS had a price cut before Madden and then introduced a new SKU and a bundle a month or so later. Could be a lot of craziness through June with the price cut, 60GB rumour and GT5/MGS bundles. Where the heck do I find a Wii though?

 

[painful fart]

Huh? mind witting that in english? And btw SONY can't pull out another price drop. They are already losing money with the current prices, they also can't further undercut the dedicated Blu-Ray player market. PS3 has to stay within a certain price range of dedicated players. Period.

Why can´t they undercut the price of dedicated Blu_ray players, it´s not like dedicated players don´t have an advantages compared to the PS3.

BTW do you have the manufacturing costs of the PS3 or are you just guessing they can´t pull out another price drop?

 

[Jacobi]

Who here is actually going to get a 360 because of this pricedrop, im just curious as to what difference this will make in europe.

i might get one because of it

 

[squatingyeti]

Why can´t they undercut the price of dedicated Blu_ray players, it´s not like dedicated players don´t have an advantages compared to the PS3.

BTW do you have the manufacturing costs of the PS3 or are you just guessing they can´t pull out another price drop?

If you follow their financial reports, you would know they're losing money on each PS3 sold. The PS2 and PSP are subsidizing losses, but there's no way to know if Sony can afford to cut again and rely even more on the PS2 and PSP.

 

[Lightning]

Who here is actually going to get a 360 because of this pricedrop, im just curious as to what difference this will make in europe.

I'm seriously considering it now. There are a few 360 games that I do want to play and with the Elite now cheaper than the cheapest PS3 it may be time to take the plunge.

Even if I do buy though, I will never pay for online gaming.

 

[Swifty]

Plus, hasn't Sony already revealed their cards by announcing their 2008 bundles? I'm talking about the MGS4 bundle and the GT5 Prologue bundle. If there's a pricedrop, it's not coming until after June.

 

[BakedPigeon]

I'm seriously considering it now. There are a few 360 games that I do want to play and with the Elite now cheaper than the cheapest PS3 it may be time to take the plunge.

Even if I do buy though, I will never pay for online gaming.

Well be sure to use the 3 free xbox live gold accounts that come on the 360 (assuming EU is the same). That may just persuade you to get the gold account. Its worth it IMO.

 

[squatingyeti]

Plus, hasn't Sony already revealed their cards by announcing their 2008 bundles? I'm talking about the MGS4 bundle and the GT5 Prologue bundle. If there's a pricedrop, it's not coming until after June.

That's only a technical matter. They could still change the price. However, the likelihood of that isn't really big. People act like Sony has their head in the sand as far as competition goes. You know they had to be thinking 360 could realistically and most likely see a price drop before GTAIV. Knowing this, it seems unlikely they would reveal bundle prices if they were going to cut the price in response to the fairly obvious incoming 360 drop.

 

[painful fart]

If you follow their financial reports, you would know they're losing money on each PS3 sold. The PS2 and PSP are subsidizing losses, but there's no way to know if Sony can afford to cut again and rely even more on the PS2 and PSP.

Fair enough, but I guess there is also no way to know if they managed to do some more cost-reduction since the last financial report.

 

[MrPing1000]

Who here is actually going to get a 360 because of this pricedrop, im just curious as to what difference this will make in europe.

Well I won't be. (I'm a pc gamer, why would I need one) But I really could see this resulting in a lot of sales. The 360 has become the casual 12-30 males console of choice, whereas the ps2 was last gen in the uk. We shall see what happens.

 

[Willy Wanka]

Who here is actually going to get a 360 because of this pricedrop, im just curious as to what difference this will make in europe.

My brother is now going to get the Arcade to play GTA4. I imagine there will be a few people doing that.

 

[Dunlop]

Why can´t they undercut the price of dedicated Blu_ray players, it´s not like dedicated players don´t have an advantages compared to the PS3.

BTW do you have the manufacturing costs of the PS3 or are you just guessing they can´t pull out another price drop?

PS3 is currently being purchased as a SA BluRay player more than any real SA player.
Sony has to be wary of pissing off their partners. These partners brought the "gimped" (pre 2.0 profile) to the market to help Sony get the marketshare.

I'm hoping it goes to $299 this year, but do not think it will happen

 

[Green Shinobi]

This isn't going to make any difference in Europe, even in Britain. I don't know if in America Microsoft have managed to get a mindset of the 360 being a viable alternative to the PS3 because they definately haven't here. Like a guy said before people bought 360s during the lul before the PS3, now they sit and wait to buy the PS3 when the price is right.

Seriously?

To answer your question, yes, the 360 is perceived as a viable alternative to the PS3 in the U.S.

So you're saying that name brand is so strong in Europe that people will pay more money to buy a PS3 over a 360, even if they mainly wanted multiplatform games?

 

[Mrbob]

These arguments are dumb.

95 percent of 3rd party games are coming out on both platforms. It doesn't matter who wins between X360 and PS3 because both systems will have the same non first party games anyway for the most part.

 

[Green Shinobi]

These arguments are dumb.

95 percent of 3rd party games are coming out on both platforms. It doesn't matter who wins between X360 and PS3 because both systems will have the same non first party games anyway for the most part.

I think 360-only guys are afraid that the PS3 might start getting tons of third party exclusives like it did last gen.

That was a big fear of mine until I got a PS3.

 

[Mrbob]

I think the age of the exclusives is virtually over. There will be a couple cases where a 3rd party game will stay exclusive to one platform, but for the most part publishers realize releasing a game on two systems is more profitable than releasing it on one. This is why I believe the GTA4 downloadable episodes will eventually come to PS3. If this gen has taught us anything, announced exclusives are not exclusive or timed exclusive. X360 probably has a 6 month to one year exclusive on them, and then Rockstar will be able to release them on PS3. You know Take Two will not give up a money making opportunity on the PS3.

 

[Green Shinobi]

I think the age of the exclusives is virtually over. There will be a couple cases where a 3rd party game will stay exclusive to one platform, but for the most part publishers realize releasing a game on two systems is more profitable than releasing it on one. This is why I believe the GTA4 downloadable episodes will eventually come to PS3. If this gen has taught us anything, announced exclusives are not exclusive or timed exclusive. X360 probably has a 6 month to one year exclusive on them, and then Rockstar will be able to release them on PS3. You know Take Two will not give up a money making opportunity on the PS3.

You think Microsoft paid $50 million for a 6 month timed exclusive?

 

[Beer Monkey]

I think that if you see the episodes go multiplatform, it will be 1-year later. And honestly, to the general public, a 1-year exclusive is as good as a full exclusive. Only the diehard single-platform fans think so far as one year down the road. After a year, the hype over the episodes will be dead.

But really, without reading the contract, we have no idea what may happen with the episodes. Personally, I couldn't care less whether they stay exclusive or not. I'm a triple-console-future whore.

 

[Bearillusion]

If you follow their financial reports, you would know they're losing money on each PS3 sold.

Can you be so sure? In Australia for example the PS3 retails for $699. The Australian dollar is currently worth 94 cents US.

 

[Mrbob]

Depends on how the money is accepted. If it is an actual payoff then yeah I would say MS has a good shot at keeping the content exclusive. If it is just an advance and Take Two has to pay MS back based off of episode content revenue then we will see said content on PS3.

 

[Sho_Nuff82]

I think the age of the exclusives is virtually over. There will be a couple cases where a 3rd party game will stay exclusive to one platform, but for the most part publishers realize releasing a game on two systems is more profitable than releasing it on one. This is why I believe the GTA4 downloadable episodes will eventually come to PS3. If this gen has taught us anything, announced exclusives are not exclusive or timed exclusive. X360 probably has a 6 month to one year exclusive on them, and then Rockstar will be able to release them on PS3. You know Take Two will not give up a money making opportunity on the PS3.

I'd say there is a much greater chance of one Sony's 2 remaining golden exclusives (which I won't even have to name at this point) slipping across the tracks than MS ever allowing their 50 million dollar co-advertised content to EVER come out on the PS3.

This isn't about Take 2 giving up a money-making opportunity, this is about Take 2 having already taken the money, and now having to live up to their end of the deal.

 

[Augemitbutter]

Who here is actually going to get a 360 because of this pricedrop, im just curious as to what difference this will make in europe.

i dont think it will make a difference. the hardware failures alone got out to the public by now, and its only going to get worse. while this price cut makes sense, it wont be enough to turn the tables.

all the other options are far more attractive as far as one can tell.

 

[BakedPigeon]

i dont think it will make a difference. the hardware failures alone got out to the public by now, and its only going to get worse. while this price cut makes sense, it wont be enough to turn the tables.

all the other options are far more attractive as far as one can tell.

The hardware failures? Is that still a deciding factor? I thought Microsoft has fixed these issues with the release of the falcon chip in all the new X360's.

It will be interesting too see what the NPD numbers are for march and april in europe.

 

[Agent Icebeezy]

The hardware failures? Is that still a deciding factor? I thought Microsoft has fixed these issues with the release of the falcon chip in all the new X360's.

It will be interesting too see what the NPD numbers are for march and april in europe.

It goes both ways as a lot of people are secure in the fact that Microsoft is offering a 3 year warranty. The problem with the 360 is that it stayed at the same price too long and people couldn't afford it. The newer consoles have largely taken care of the hardware issue. My falcon is great.

 

[Green Shinobi]

It will be interesting too see what the NPD numbers are for march and april in europe.

These numbers you speak of do not exist.

 

[duk]

The hardware failures? Is that still a deciding factor? I thought Microsoft has fixed these issues with the release of the falcon chip in all the new X360's.

It will be interesting too see what the NPD numbers are for march and april in europe.

when did NPD capture EU numbers?

 

[Tycho_b]

If you follow their financial reports, you would know they're losing money on each PS3 sold. The PS2 and PSP are subsidizing losses, but there's no way to know if Sony can afford to cut again and rely even more on the PS2 and PSP.

There is no way to figure it out from the reports. If it was so, You could easily foresee price cuts already put in the plans at the first peek at financial forecasts.
The only hint about current mfg cost of PS3 is that it has been halved to $400, which definitely gives Sony some room to decrease price. Question is - what for ?

 

[duk]

pretty crazy that 360 has been out 2+ years without a major price drop? who is to blame for this

 

[mr_bishiuk]

pretty crazy that 360 has been out 2+ years without a major price drop? who is to blame for this

Sony pricing meant that the 360 had the majority of the good games and was still cheaper, its one of the reasons MS have been able to turn a profit so early in the lifecycle

 

[Green Shinobi]

pretty crazy that 360 has been out 2+ years without a major price drop? who is to blame for this

They were determined to make a profit.

However, they were up against one opponent (Sony) who isn't afraid to lose billions for more marketshare, and another opponent (Nintendo) who gets away with using outdated technology because of their controller.

It's like trying to fight off kamikazes.

 

[GhaleonEB]

They were determined to make a profit.

However, they were up against one opponent (Sony) who isn't afraid to lose billions for more marketshare, and another opponent (Nintendo) who gets away with using outdated technology because of their controller.

It's like trying to fight off kamikazes.

I think they would have cut deeper last August if 65nm were on time.

 

[duk]

Sony pricing meant that the 360 had the majority of the good games and was still cheaper, its one of the reasons MS have been able to turn a profit so early in the lifecycle

hmm true MS got a lucky break on ps3 pricing i guess. i wonder if they will always have the pricing upperhand.

 

[Casey120]

28% Korting! Holy crap!




...What's korting mean?

 

[mr_bishiuk]

hmm true MS got a lucky break on ps3 pricing i guess. i wonder if they will always have the pricing upperhand.

I think MS always will this gen (no blu ray, Sku with no hard drive) but next gen being the format holder for blu ray (both drives and discs) sony will

 

[a Master Ninja]

My brother is now going to get the Arcade to play GTA4. I imagine there will be a few people doing that.

No HDD means no expansion and no caching. Arcade seems like a bad call for GTA4.

 

[Yixian]

I wonder if the PS3 will get an EU only price drop? RRP here is £300, which is still $600. Can't we at least get exchange rate?

 

[gogogow]

I wonder if the PS3 will get an EU only price drop? RRP here is £300, which is still $600. Can't we at least get exchange rate?

Highly unlikely, SCEE just announced the GT5P bundle for 399e (GT5P for free).
And recently 2 other bundles were introduced in Europe:

PS3 40GB + Uncharted + Fifa 2008 + extra Sixaxis = 499e
PS3 40GB + Uncharted + Ratchet = 469e

Weren't there already responses by Nintendo and Sony that there won't be any price cuts?

Exchange rate? We could only wish.
I paid 599e for my launch PS3, that's more than $900.
We are actually paying the US launch price for the 40GB now, 399e is roughly $613

 

[Midas]

I wonder if the PS3 will get an EU only price drop? RRP here is £300, which is still $600. Can't we at least get exchange rate?

Yeah, with USD at is lowest rate, in what, 15 years? It's bound to happen!

 

[Hammer24]

So what does GAF think - will there be another 360 pricedrop for xmas/GoW2?

 

[mr_bishiuk]

So what does GAF think - will there be another 360 pricedrop for xmas/GoW2?

Depends if Sony respond I guess, I have my doubts that they will (because they dont want to end up being the only ones pushing blu ray) so I predict no.

 

[a Master Ninja]

today is the day chosen by Microsoft to do the presentation for Ninja Gaiden 2 here in Spain, i'll be assisting to the presentation, but i really doubt they will be talking about any other stuff but NG2.. anyway it's curious it's happening the same day MS announces these price-cuts as well as that press conference happening in France..

Re-quoted because I want an update on the event.

 

[MMaRsu]

:lol that's awesome

 

[R0nn]

The only bad thing that could come from this pricedrop is loads of consumers picking up the no-harddrive Arcade, thereby missing out on the full 360 experience.

 

[Timedog]

I think MS always will this gen (no blu ray, Sku with no hard drive) but next gen being the format holder for blu ray (both drives and discs) sony will

By next gen bluray will be cheap enough to be insignificant.

 

[Jacobi]

The hardware failures? Is that still a deciding factor? I thought Microsoft has fixed these issues with the release of the falcon chip in all the new X360's.

Unfortunately they haven't