I'd move to Noway and go to jail..it's rough
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Prison: A better life on the inside than outside?
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Yea being stuck with PS2 game is rough.
teruterubozu
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I'd move to Noway and go to jail..it's rough
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Seriously, should I commit a crime in Norway?
Did he embezzle money of the wrong person?
And what if they don't want to go out and paint fences or repair roads?
charlequin
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Well, until you include the blossoming industry of private prisons and their lobbying to increase incarceration and thereby their own profits.
My claim here isn't that the people running the prisons themselves are the be-all end-all cause of problems, but that the system as a whole is disastrously broken, starting with absurd drug laws and eroded protections against police overreach, through a screwed-up legal system and down to a poorly thought-out design of prisons themselves.
Isn't it pretty easy to tell which prison system works better?
Look at the re-offence rate for somewhere like Sweden to somewhere like America.
It takes massive political balls to implement a more liberal prison system because it's usually hugely unpopular with voters, many of whom share the same kind of views as the OP.
But that doesn't mean is isn't the most sensible thing to do.
Look at the re-offence rate for somewhere like Sweden to somewhere like America.
It takes massive political balls to implement a more liberal prison system because it's usually hugely unpopular with voters, many of whom share the same kind of views as the OP.
But that doesn't mean is isn't the most sensible thing to do.
Mammoth Jones
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Nothing is free. But I agree society as a whole should come together and work out a system so that no one starves due to lack of food or lack of healthcare.
I'd move to Noway and go to jail..it's rough
That's actually why Norway has the highest recidivism rate in the world, people can't wait to get back to the cool cells.
Right?
I imagine it's not too pleasant for those who are on the receiving end of another prisoner's dick.
Speaking of which, you know how everyone says you should fight back against anyone who tries to mess with you, lest you become their bitch? What if the guy who's messing with you is a gang leader or hell, just an average gang member? I've been reading reports that say it's pretty much difficult to survive in prison without being part of a gang. Very few lone wolves out there that don't need protection.
Speaking of which, you know how everyone says you should fight back against anyone who tries to mess with you, lest you become their bitch? What if the guy who's messing with you is a gang leader or hell, just an average gang member? I've been reading reports that say it's pretty much difficult to survive in prison without being part of a gang. Very few lone wolves out there that don't need protection.
prison should be about taking them out of society and trying to rehabilitate them. Its completely idiotic to 'punish' them by throwing them in a miserable jail and making them completely unprepared to re-enter society. Thats just asking them to re-offend. We need to do a much better job of this, not make it worse.
This also woulld likely need to go along with drastically reforming sentencing laws to make sure only serious criminals go to jail and only violent offenders receive serious jail time. That should save us money to implement a better system. Plus, it would save us money by reducing the recidivism rate
This also woulld likely need to go along with drastically reforming sentencing laws to make sure only serious criminals go to jail and only violent offenders receive serious jail time. That should save us money to implement a better system. Plus, it would save us money by reducing the recidivism rate
In my view prison should not just be a tool to temporarily get rid of people.
It should confine them until they are no longer a danger to the public, and while there it should educate, retrain, and normalise prisoners. If it means letting them play team sports, go to a college or school inside the prison, or getting them a job that's fine with me.
The job of prison is to make sure people do not offend again....you do that by making sure people are involved in and part of society rather than existing on the edges. You do it by making sure they can earn their own way rather than committing crime.
I would rather have a well-treated prison population that doesn't reoffend than a poorly treated one that does.
It should confine them until they are no longer a danger to the public, and while there it should educate, retrain, and normalise prisoners. If it means letting them play team sports, go to a college or school inside the prison, or getting them a job that's fine with me.
The job of prison is to make sure people do not offend again....you do that by making sure people are involved in and part of society rather than existing on the edges. You do it by making sure they can earn their own way rather than committing crime.
I would rather have a well-treated prison population that doesn't reoffend than a poorly treated one that does.
hendersonhank
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So when are you getting yourself locked up so you, too, can enjoy that "privilege"?
I agree.
But I'm sure if I was the victim of the crime, or my close family was, I wouldn't.
Say, for example, person x killed your wife.... you'd want them to suffer in a tiny dirty cell for as long as possible.
This is why it's just an emotive issue and one that can be very politically dangerous.
Manmademan
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Everyone agrees that private prisons aren't a good thing, but I wouldn't really refer to them as "blossoming." more than a few states are looking at scaling back their involvement. not just for cost reasons (they're much more expensive than projected) but also because there's a tendency for these institutions to violate the civil rights of prisoners by falsifying documents and overcrowding in the name of profit, and that lands EVERYONE in hot water. Again, private prisons are currently at 10% of the nationwide total- 90% of your state and federal inmates are still housed in public institutions.
Now, some states like california have a lot more of them than they should, but that's thanks to things like the three strikes law tossing WAY more people than the system can handle into prisons. That law if I recall was enacted into the state constitution by public vote, and it's not the only instance of the ability of californians to alter their constitution by ballot initiatives causing problems.
I agree with you, but describing it as "the system" is less accurate than describing it as the end result of MANY different "systems" that come up with a less than positive result.
it doesn't start with absurd drug laws- as I said, most of the inmates I receive are broken beyond belief before stepping in the door. Their communities are hellholes with no job prospects, the educational system is broken, many have abusive home environments or are battling addictions.
Revamping absurd drug laws is something that needs to happen, and police overreach is also an issue but neither of these is going to magically stop the flood of inmates. The problems are simply too deep for quick fixes.
The people running "the system" are also largely the people that live in the communities these people are coming from, and we aren't idiots. There's a lot that's being done within the DOC and the justice system as a whole to try to mitigate this, to the extent that it's possible, but we can't change legislation. Since no elected official wants to be seen as "soft on crime", reversing the policies of the early 90s that spiked the prison population is easier said that done.
That being said, there is an overwhelming movement to decriminalize or legalize marijuana for personal use, as well as setting up drug courts for low level offenders that are designed to recommend treatment, and not prison for these people. Educators and Psychologists within the system are being expanded, because education and treatment drastically reduce recidivism down to the single digits.
The obama administration has already taken steps to eliminate that ridiculous 100:1 crack sentencing disparity. We're moving low level and first time offenders to community corrections centers, rather than state prisons.
There's a ton that's being done, but changing this sort of thing can't happen overnight, as long as the general public is more motivated by fear than common sense.
Don't forget the rural towns that with high unemployment rate, which are depending on prisons creating high paying jobs.
How do you plan on keeping prisoners occupied for such an extended period of time? Rather have them run riot and impossible to control? I somehow doubt prison life is any fun, you still have no authority. What they say goes at the end of the day, you lose all autonomy.
Repeat offense is very high, but not because prison life is fun but because once out of prison what do they have. Prisoners are released and back into their old life, with very little chance of that changing.
Repeat offense is very high, but not because prison life is fun but because once out of prison what do they have. Prisoners are released and back into their old life, with very little chance of that changing.
Darkmakaimura
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I'm not sure people like murderers and rapists and child molesters deserve this kind of luxury but regardless, it looks like Norway actually places value of human life, even to complete scumbags. Unless of course the prison in said picture are for non-violent offenders.
QuicheFontaine
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Reminds me of a bit on Alan Partridge, when he's getting an audit.
Alan: "Do you want me to go to prison??"
Sonja: "But you tell me prison is very cushy. Is like holiday camp?"
Alan: "Yeah, well, I was trying to make a point about something else..."
CornBurrito
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Surely the awful conditions in US prison can't make it harder for people to readjust to normal society after their sentence, increasing their chances of committing crimes again. No way! It must be because prison is like a spa resort.
We should find a solution that provides the maximum benefit to society, and I really don't believe that maximum benefit is achieved by slaking our bloodlust.
We should find a solution that provides the maximum benefit to society, and I really don't believe that maximum benefit is achieved by slaking our bloodlust.
And just importantly, has the lowest recidivism rates in the world. Which, shouldn't that be the ultimate goal of prison? Sadly, many people here in America think that punishment is the end goal, not prevention of future crimes.
I hear the death sentence has an even lower recidivism rate
Darkmakaimura
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Yes, it should along with rehabilitation. It is sad that here in America, it's strictly about punishment and exposing already dangerous people to an even more violent, dangerous environment. It's even worse when non-violent offenders are victims. But I guess people are making money off of having people being in prison and we're for the most part, still stuck in a Medieval-like mindset when it comes to punishing crime.
Alcotholic
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If they have a life sentence, why does it matter?
Sarcasm? (i hope)
death sentence for shoplifting
Nikkuthulu
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I guess I'll chime in.
I got a friend who's in prison at the moment, low security and was sent to jail for movie piracy. (Not selling or anything, was just for the download / upload due to a torrent.)
So, before he went to prison his life was a living hell after this.
Lost his home cause he was unable to pay bills.
He was unable to pay bills because he was not allowed to touch anything internet related and anything that had an internet connection or capability was taken from him.
Lost his phone, cause, internet.
Lost his job due to it having internet aspects.
Even took all his game systems.
Slapped him with an 8 o clock curfew, and a fat ass tracking bracelet to wear on his foot with random officer surprises.
...Cue Simpsons movie piracy gif, cause that's exactly what it is.
So, anyway, after the hell of doing that for him, finally it's court time. The prosecutor is like trying to get him literally the least amount of time to serve possible.
Prison life was awful at first. They were filled up at the place he was assigned to, and instead had to go to maximum security for two months. Which was described as awful. A literal hellhole.
...But where he's at now? He plays dungeons and dragons, magic the gathering all day. Has his own room, tv set-up. It would literally be a vacation if it wasn't for the fact he may never be allowed to touch anything with an internet connection again, and will always be marked as a felon.
I got a friend who's in prison at the moment, low security and was sent to jail for movie piracy. (Not selling or anything, was just for the download / upload due to a torrent.)
So, before he went to prison his life was a living hell after this.
Lost his home cause he was unable to pay bills.
He was unable to pay bills because he was not allowed to touch anything internet related and anything that had an internet connection or capability was taken from him.
Lost his phone, cause, internet.
Lost his job due to it having internet aspects.
Even took all his game systems.
Slapped him with an 8 o clock curfew, and a fat ass tracking bracelet to wear on his foot with random officer surprises.
...Cue Simpsons movie piracy gif, cause that's exactly what it is.
So, anyway, after the hell of doing that for him, finally it's court time. The prosecutor is like trying to get him literally the least amount of time to serve possible.
Prison life was awful at first. They were filled up at the place he was assigned to, and instead had to go to maximum security for two months. Which was described as awful. A literal hellhole.
...But where he's at now? He plays dungeons and dragons, magic the gathering all day. Has his own room, tv set-up. It would literally be a vacation if it wasn't for the fact he may never be allowed to touch anything with an internet connection again, and will always be marked as a felon.
You know your conservative thread has backfired when Bulbo makes fun of it.
way more
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This OP kind of sounds like an bitter, American, less cultured Alan Partridge who is just a hair dumber. Basically, a uninformed wanker, but not funny.
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You're right, they even have top notch fitness coaches and that just ain't gonna fly. Encase their barbells in thorns and only allow Crossfit.
The premise of your thread is absurd and I hope you never attain a position of power.
charlequin
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It's an industry that's grown from almost nothing to $3 billion a year in two decades and which hasn't seen a year of shrinkage yet. It's a good thing that some states are curtailing them, but they're having to do that because private prisons are getting so much business despite being both worse and more expensive.
Right, three strikes laws are extremely terrible. You don't have to sell me on the manifest failure of California's disastrous direct-democracy experiment.
I don't see this supported by the statistics. About 50% of federal prisoners are in for drug offenses, 25% across all prisoners. Similarly, about half the people currently incarcerated across the United States are in for non-violent crimes, with that group making up almost all of the spike in prison populations. If we were seeing some massive jump in criminality it'd be one thing, but violent crime has decreased significantly as the prison population has skyrocketed.
I don't see any reasonable way to draw this conclusion. Police and prison guard unions are two of the biggest contributors nationwide to lobbying efforts in favor of draconian drug laws, three strikes laws, and other policies that incarcerate people who shouldn't be in prison.
All of which police, prison employees, and private prison companies are fighting against tooth and nail.
Which partially offsets his Justice Department's other issues, like the aggressive crackdown on non-violent marijuana users and distributors for most of his presidency.
Punishment should absolutely be the primary goal. You do something wrong, you get punished for your actions. It isn't a difficult concept... it's a better alternative than having people seek revenge on those who wronged them; their pain is assuaged by knowing the other person is suffering in prison. It's the closest thing to "fair" that we have without living in a lawless society.
I'll agree that we're in a bad middle ground right now though. Prison is used too much for crimes that don't really warrant it (they can repay their debt to society in other ways), and it isn't harsh enough for those who truly deserve it.
TAJ
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The OP should get himself put in prison and see for himself how great it really is.
My mom works in a maximum security prison and even when she's complaining about things that prisoners get she still makes it sound terrible.
My mom works in a maximum security prison and even when she's complaining about things that prisoners get she still makes it sound terrible.
Where there existing rulebooks and modules in the prison? Or did he get someone to buy them and bring them to the prison for him? Are the magic cards communal? Or did he buy himself a deck? What about the other people he plays with? Did they buy their own decks too? Did he get decks for them? Can they get more cards? I'm actually really curious about this.
It doesn't really seem all that different from other things you can probably do in any other prison though - sit around and talk with other inmates at certain times, play cards, etc. Except it's like, the total geek version of that. Sounds like he found some good friends with similar interests in there. Good for him.
I am so disgusted right now. Oh my, this is the worst things I ever read on multiple levels. Wow.
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Where did this happen?
Where the hell was this?
zero shift
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The people in my country never cease to amaze me.
"Living in prison is better than living in the outside"
"Living off welfare gets you more money and perks than going to school and working"
What's next?
Seriously all I see is that the OP is mad that prisoners get an education class, have a once in a year rodeo, and give prisoners the ability to play basketball during recess. Are you going to be shocked if I told you that these people get....FOOD TO EAT!?!?
"Living in prison is better than living in the outside"
"Living off welfare gets you more money and perks than going to school and working"
What's next?
Seriously all I see is that the OP is mad that prisoners get an education class, have a once in a year rodeo, and give prisoners the ability to play basketball during recess. Are you going to be shocked if I told you that these people get....FOOD TO EAT!?!?
We have murderers who get warm socks to put on their feet, warm socks man. YOU MURDERED SOMEONE and now you want us to buy you warm socks for your murderous toes? Fuck you! Don't murder anyone if you want warm socks.
Bulbo Urethral Baggins
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benjipwns
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Thanks, Obama.
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