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Progressive Leaders Propose a Marshall Plan for America

The Center for American Progress Ideas Conference began today. Most of the early contenders for the Democratic nomination in 2020 spoke today.


If you want to watch here's a life-stream.


Los Angeles Mayor Eric Garcetti, Sen. Cory Booker (D.-N.J.), Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.), Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand (D-N.Y.), Sen. Amy Klobuchar (D-Minn.), Sen. Kamala Harris (D-Calif.), Gov. Terry MacAuliffe (D-Va.), and Gov. Steve Bullock (D-Mont.) have all spoken today.

Even more interesting a round-table with a panel of experts discussing a report they co-authored lays down a proposal for a way forward for America. This is what the Democratic party will propose for the country- a new America rebuilt to thrive in the modern world. The entire discussion and the report are worth watching/reading.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTd5VYl3I-Q

https://www.americanprogress.org/is...17/05/16/432499/toward-marshall-plan-america/

Progressive solution: A domestic Marshall Plan for jobs and community investment

In order to address these economic deficiencies, the Center for American Progress is putting together a new commission to help design a national “Marshall Plan” to rebuild hard-hit communities through increased economic growth; more jobs with better wages; and rising opportunities and increased security for families.

In the wake of World War II, the United States famously undertook the Marshall Plan to invest billions of dollars in war-torn European countries to rebuild their economies and modernize their industries. This was not only in the interest of Europe but also of America itself as the world’s largest economy and global leader against the spread of communism. Evoking the strategic leadership the United States demonstrated 70 years ago, a domestic Marshall Plan today for hard-hit communities would both help struggling families and individuals directly and strengthen America’s national economy through revitalizing communities that have great potential to contribute to our economic and social fabric.

The commission will be composed of national, regional, and local leaders who can provide direction and visibility to its work. It will call upon the expertise of urban and rural leaders who represent labor, business, education, health, faith, community and economic development, and racial justice to help understand the problem; lift up promising practices; and develop bold new ideas, particularly for people who did not attend college.
Amidst overall economic growth, urban centers, small towns and rural areas, and regions facing deindustrialization have suffered decades of neglect, leading to widespread frustration and disillusionment with Washington and spurring voters to either stay home or take a chance on a candidate who promised to blow up the system.

In the aftermath of an election in which rural and urban voters came to view one another with suspicion while both suffered from decades of disinvestment, the time is ripe for a policy agenda and accompanying message that underscores the common cause among struggling Americans and outlines solutions that unite them.

What follows are a few big areas of investment we expect the commission to explore in its work. Throughout the process, these ideas can be further developed and refined with input from members of the commission and other experts.

We propose today a new jobs guarantee, and we further expect a robust agenda to be developed by the commission.

It is clear, however, that effective solutions must recognize the importance that Americans attach to the dignity of work. Economic frustrations arise when work at a living wage becomes impossible to find. A successful economic policy will be one that delivers better employment and better wages for those who have been marginalized by the market economy.


A jobs guarantee to counter the effects of reduced bargaining power, technical change, globalization, and the Great Recession


The low wages and low employment rates for those without college degrees only exist because of a failure of imagination. There is no shortage of important work that needs to be done in our country. There are not nearly enough home care workers to aid the aged and disabled. Many working families with children under the age of 5 need access to affordable child care. Schools need teachers’ aides, and cities need EMTs. And there is no shortage of people who could do this work. What has been missing is policy that can mobilize people.

To solve this problem, we propose a large-scale, permanent program of public employment and infrastructure investment—similar to the Works Progress Administration (WPA) during the Great Depression but modernized for the 21st century. It will increase employment and wages for those without a college degree while providing needed services that are currently out of reach for lower-income households and cash-strapped state and local governments. Furthermore, some individuals may be hired into paying public jobs in which their primary duty will be to complete intensive, full-time training for high-growth, in-demand occupations. These “public apprenticeships” could include rotations with public and private entities to gain on-the-ground experience and lead to guaranteed private-sector employment upon successful completion of training.

Such an expanded public employment program could, for example, have a target of maintaining the employment rate for prime-age workers without a bachelor’s degree at the 2000 level of 79 percent. Currently, this would require the creation of 4.4 million jobs. At a living wage—which we can approximate as $15 per hour plus the cost of contributions to Social Security and Medicare via payroll taxes—the direct cost of each job would be approximately $36,000 annually. Thus, a rough estimate of the costs of this employment program would be about $158 billion in the current year. This is approximately one-quarter of Trump’s proposed tax cut for the wealthy on an annual basis.

This cost estimate is useful for determining orders of magnitude, although it is not precise. An effective employment program would need to provide paid training when needed to allow workers to transition to a designated type of employment. At the same time, the effects of increased employment would reduce current expenditures on unemployment insurance, Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP) food support, and other social programs. In addition, the expansion of employment would have a multiplier effect on overall income and tax revenue.

It is worth emphasizing that the magnitude of expenditures involved is small relative to the gifts that the current administration proposes to give to our wealthiest citizens through corporate and personal tax reductions. Simulation work by the Tax Policy Center shows that the tax proposals made by the Trump campaign would amount to a tax reduction of about $6 trillion over 10 years, most of it accruing to wealthy households.16 Compared to a public employment program of the type CAP is proposing, a $600 billion annual tax cut for the wealthy would amount to a far larger use of federal fiscal capacity. Evidence from similar tax cuts in the past shows that there would be small employment and output effects and, hence, little benefit to the population that would be better helped by a public employment program.

Three other aspects of this public employment program should be noted. First, by creating tighter labor markets, such a proposal would put upward pressure on wages, raising incomes for workers not directly taking a public job. Second, because it would employ people to provide services that are currently needed but unaffordable, it would not compete with existing private-sector employment. Finally, it would provide the dignity of work, the value of which is significant. When useful work is not available, there are large negative consequences, ranging from depression, to a decline in family stability, to “deaths of despair.”

Build community institutions that support incomes, employment, and mobility
The wage and employment effects that have disproportionately hurt workers without university training have also had large impacts on the communities in which they live. Declines in wages and employment have made it difficult for many communities to support the institutions that serve as anchors of the local economy, and which provide the channels for economic mobility.

We propose investments in a broadened class of infrastructure—to include roads and bridges but also to modernize schools for the 21st century and to build child care centers—proposals that will improve the accumulation of human capital as well as physical capital.

For example, research indicates states and local school districts are underinvesting in capital construction and maintenance by at least $46 billion annually.

Additionally, school districts currently have more than $400 billion in outstanding debt, principally issued for financing capital projects. Moreover, in many parts of the country, particularly in rural areas, there are child care deserts where child care facilities are unavailable. By spending $50 billion each year for 10 years to provide a combination of grants and low-cost financing to support school modernization and expansion and build child care facilities, pre-K through 12th grade schools can be brought up to 21st-century standards.

What do you think Gaf? Are we actually going to stand up and fight together to help achieve this vision? Or are we going to standby and continue to bicker with each other while the fear that drives conservative voters destroys our future.
 
What do you think Gaf? Are we actually going to stand up and fight together to help achieve this vision? Or are we going to standby and continue to bicker with each other while the fear that drives conservative voters destroys our future.

Edit: Misread

I'm all for it, but Republicans need to be out of office.
 

Temascos

Neo Member
As a non-American the plan is sound to me, but as for these guys being able to communicate that to people who believe that liberals are out to steal their souls? Good luck.
 

ShutEye

Member
They should add a new generation anti trust solution for America too. Break up the quasi monopolies, especially the family holding cos
 
As a non-American the plan is sound to me, but as for these guys being able to communicate that to people who believe that liberals are out to steal their souls? Good luck.

Too many of these people are lost forever. The 45% of the population that is so devoid of hope and belief in a better tomorrow that they don't vote are who progressive minded people need to reach.
 

Foffy

Banned
Job guarantees?

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I guess it's a start, but I imagine we will have people in society who force us to stick with it forever, and that's toxic.
 

GPsych

Member
Sounds great, but don't progressives want to make me a muslim, take away my God-given guns, kill babies, and make my daughter gay? No Marshall Plan is worth that.

It really is going to be a difficult thing to communicate to people. So much of political discourse is tied up in emotions and irrational belief systems that are so difficult to change.
 
Job guarantees?

I guess it's a start, but I imagine we will have people in society who force us to stick with it forever, and that's toxic.

Our culture isn't ready for UBI, in the short to medium term a job guarantee is much more politically feasible. And right now there is A LOT of meaningful work that needs to be done. So this won't just be a public works program full of BS jobs that shouldn't exist.
 

jWILL253

Banned
I'm down. Where do I sign?

EDIT: I guess we're gonna continue to pontificate on what attracts voters that only exist to disrupt, corrupt, and troll, rather than adopt a strong, progressive platform that gets our base excited.
 

Nivash

Member
The word "job guarantee" makes my skin crawl a bit and there's a ton of potential pitfalls, but the the idea seems sound in general. Providing training and funding for crucial but somewhat unavailable positions could help improve mobility and labor-to-work matching. At the same time, doing it wrong could lead to spiraling costs, putting unmotivated people in positions where motivation is crucial (such as elderly or child care), depress the value of the targeted fields in general or have lopsided effects on private businesses that would be at an unfair competitive advantage, among other things.

It's really going to come down to the implementation. It's also worth keeping in mind that the Marshall Plan wasn't just about rebuilding Europe either - it was also about civic pacification. Keeping people working kept them from lashing out. Whether or not this is a good thing could be discussion: this plan will prop up a lot of failing communities, but it won't solve the underlying reason they're failing. Turning post-industrial mining towns into government run "make-work" towns could have a lot of unwanted impacts on the people there compared to either letting them die or transformning them, both of which are outcomes a plan like this could impede.

The US isn't post-war Europe. Calling it a Marshal Plan is somewhat missing this point. Same thing if it was called the next New Deal because it's not like the Great Depression either. The current situation is one where the country is in dire need of restructuring. That simply isn't the same thing as rebuilding or outlasting. A plan like this needs to be implemented in a way that promotes a restructuring, no matter how painful that will be for many. If it devolves into a populist ploy to keep things like they are, it's only going to lead to stagnation and further damage down the road. Helping to improve access to crucial sectors and improving matching is a step in the right direction, but it needs to lead to more than just government funded jobs.
 

TarNaru33

Banned
The word "job guarantee" makes my skin crawl a bit and there's a ton of potential pitfalls, but the the idea seems sound in general. Providing training and funding for crucial but somewhat unavailable positions could help improve mobility and labor-to-work matching. At the same time, doing it wrong could lead to spiraling costs, putting unmotivated people in positions where motivation is crucial (such as elderly or child care), depress the value of the targeted fields in general or have lopsided effects on private businesses that would be at an unfair competitive advantage, among other things.

It's really going to come down to the implementation. It's also worth keeping in mind that the Marshall Plan wasn't just about rebuilding Europe either - it was also about civic pacification. Keeping people working kept them from lashing out. Whether or not this is a good thing could be discussion: this plan will prop up a lot of failing communities, but it won't solve the underlying reason they're failing. Turning post-industrial mining towns into government run "make-work" towns could have a lot of unwanted impacts on the people there compared to either letting them die or transformning them, both of which are outcomes a plan like this could impede.

The US isn't post-war Europe. Calling it a Marshal Plan is somewhat missing this point. Same thing if it was called the next New Deal because it's not like the Great Depression either. The current situation is one where the country is in dire need of restructuring. That simply isn't the same thing as rebuilding or outlasting. A plan like this needs to be implemented in a way that promotes a restructuring, no matter how painful that will be for many. If it devolves into a populist ploy to keep things like they are, it's only going to lead to stagnation and further damage down the road. Helping to improve access to crucial sectors and improving matching is a step in the right direction, but it needs to lead to more than just government funded jobs.

The issue is, eventually this or something like it will have to happen. Universal basic income just isn't possible in U.S right now, this at least takes away primary complaint that the person is getting "free money while sitting on their ass".

You are right about the other bit of the Marshal Plan being to pacify the populace by giving them work, this makes me wonder if doing a UBI without work guarantee will lead to some crime rate increase because people will have a lot of time on their hands. We dealt with teenagers by giving them summer programs and such, so what happens when a large percentage of U.S citizens have that much free time?

This could answer that question until UBI is tested and it isn't a bad idea in general. It is also way cheaper than I thought it would be, 4 million for 150 billion dollars is employing 2x the military size.

Can you explain your restructuring bit?
 

Nivash

Member
The issue is, eventually this or something like it will have to happen. Universal basic income just isn't possible in U.S right now, this at least takes away primary complaint that the person is getting "free money while sitting on their ass".

You are right about the other bit of the Marshal Plan being to pacify the populace by giving them work, this makes me wonder if doing a UBI without work guarantee will lead to some crime rate increase because people will have a lot of time on their hands. We dealt with teenagers by giving them summer programs and such, so what happens when a large percentage of U.S citizens have that much free time?

This could answer that question until UBI is tested and it isn't a bad idea in general. It is also way cheaper than I thought it would be, 4 million for 150 billion dollars is employing 2x the military size.

Can you explain your restructuring bit?

It's basically the difference between adapting to reality and stubbornly pretending that things will always stay the same. The hard truth is that the world is not the same as it was 30-40 years ago. Trump's spiel about preserving the coal towns is a prime example of denying reality: coal is going away and the towns will too unless something is drastically changed.

The difference between a failed "Marshall Plan" in trying to counter this and a succesful one is where the restructuring comes in. If it fails, you have a lot of people doing make-work jobs that offer no career prospects and who are literally a drain on the country as a whole because they are by definition performing functions are unsustainable economically due to low demand. This is true even if the services have value (like elderly or child care) because it still reflects how the communities can't really afford them. It hasn't adressed the core issue: the loss of the mines, which were the reason these communities came to be in the first place.

A succesful plan will succeed in actually adressing that core issue. It will have to restructure the community around a new reason for existance. It could be anything as long as it's a viable industry or other service that's serving a genuine demand. It could be something like green energy. It could be manufacturing. Maybe something that dosn't depend on location, like something in IT. It could even be government run if, for example, you choose to base a major department or agency in the community instead of in a larger city where it's not really needed. The point is that you've replaced the loss of the mine with something equally viable and useful.

On a larger level - say state or national - it could also mean actually letting some communities die. You can't save every little town and village, sometimes you're better off letting the people relocate somewhere that has a better shot at life, and helping them do so. That's another form of restructuring. In either case, the vital point is avoiding keeping communities on life support.
 

TarNaru33

Banned
It's basically the difference between adapting to reality and stubbornly pretending that things will always stay the same. The hard truth is that the world is not the same as it was 30-40 years ago. Trump's spiel about preserving the coal towns is a prime example of denying reality: coal is going away and the towns will too unless something is drastically changed.

The difference between a failed "Marshall Plan" in trying to counter this and a succesful one is where the restructuring comes in. If it fails, you have a lot of people doing make-work jobs that offer no career prospects and who are literally a drain on the country as a whole because they are by definition performing functions are unsustainable economically due to low demand. This is true even if the services have value (like elderly or child care) because it still reflects how the communities can't really afford them. It hasn't adressed the core issue: the loss of the mines, which were the reason these communities came to be in the first place.

A succesful plan will succeed in actually adressing that core issue. It will have to restructure the community around a new reason for existance. It could be anything as long as it's a viable industry or other service that's serving a genuine demand. It could be something like green energy. It could be manufacturing. Maybe something that dosn't depend on location, like something in IT. It could even be government run if, for example, you choose to base a major department or agency in the community instead of in a larger city where it's not really needed. The point is that you've replaced the loss of the mine with something equally viable and useful.

On a larger level - say state or national - it could also mean actually letting some communities die. You can't save every little town and village, sometimes you're better off letting the people relocate somewhere that has a better shot at life, and helping them do so. That's another form of restructuring. In either case, the vital point is avoiding keeping communities on life support.

I understand it better now. I can agree to that, but I don't see them doing what you are saying unless it is full on democrats leading the charge. People do not like to hear or think about their way of life dying off or changing dramatically, even if its unsustainable and unhealthy. Unfortunately, this plan seems like a pipe dream for now.
 

Wray

Member
Seems like lots of emphasis on jobs when the very concept of labor is going away thanks to AI.

Once again our leaders are thinking like it's still the 20th century.
 

Einhander

Member
Focusing on jobs is the wrong way to look at it. It's like no one wants to address the elephant in the room that is UBI.
 

G.ZZZ

Member
Money to row against the flow, that's what it looks to me honestly. Good intentioned, and probably even working in the short term, but still just a stubborn denial of reality and to where the markets are moving toward.
 
It's a good plan for the most part and I appreciate how hard they're finally going into the economic issues. Before now it just felt like no one had a plan at all for the middle or lower class Americans. I know people will be disappointed by the focus on jobs, but we've still got a good decade and a half of honest work that will not be doable only by robots as far as the Democrat "Marshall plan" goes. Before we get to UBI and mass automation we're going to have tons upon tons of work to do in infrastructure at the very least and it's necessary work with real meaning and value attached to it even if it's not permanent. We'll probably be cutting it close, though. No way google and all the tech companies are going to slow their progress for us and I welcome that.
Focusing on jobs is the wrong way to look at it. It's like no one wants to address the elephant in the room that is UBI.
The fact that Trump won has made it clearer than ever that the US is simply not ready for UBI. We're going to struggle to wrap our heads around tuition free college and even public option healthcare. I said it once before during the election that if Hillary won we'd be seriously talking about this before 2030, but if Trump wins you may as well set the clock back all the way to 2040. Most of this country would rather descend into anarchy than accept UBI.

Really sucks
 

Feep

Banned
Seems like lots of emphasis on jobs when the very concept of labor is going away thanks to AI.

Once again our leaders are thinking like it's still the 20th century.
Obviously a lot of our jobs are going by the wayside, but we're not quite to this level of insane panic. Revitalizing infrastructure and improving education will have real benefits; other things like a "robot tax" can help.

A.I. still can't perform 70-80% of jobs in the United States, and it won't be able to for some time. Jobs are still of vital importance, especially those in STEM.
 
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