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Looks a bit like the final corner of Budapest?
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Project CARS (crowdsourcing) racing sim by Slightly Mad Studios (fully funded 3.75M)
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Looks a bit like the final corner of Budapest?
Not in today's build, unfortunately:
Formula A definitely feels a bit better with the correct suspenion geometry, at high speeds corners you can feel/see it closing on the limit before it actually is there and even with a pad I could nicely balance it through some corners even though steering with a pad is what it is.
Metalmurphy
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Betta Lines
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It's just not a very clean looking game. The aliasing glows in a horrible way, which is apparently something to do with the deferred rendering. Motion blur is awful too, I'd turn that off straight away. For me it needs to be as high res as possible, and absolutely 60fps, motion blur, detailed grass and bloom off. Then it starts to look alright. It looks way better in screenshots unfortunately.
Part of the aliasing glow and shimmer is apparently also due to some bugs, which they can't sort quite yet. I remember the IQ used to be better some way back and most of the aliasing was in the parts that MSAA couldn't touch (they still haven't fixed everything like the windscreens in the Lotus's), hopefully with downsampling and the bugs fixed we can get a lot better IQ in the future. There's also the motion blur, shadows, grass, balancing and plenty more to revamp/do. Ian mentioned that Griff would be onboard once again soon so hopefully we'll get some DX11 stuff.
Metalmurphy
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Funny you said that, they just added some voiceovers that really reminded me of Toca
Oh those are really annoying, I need to see if you can turn those off.
mclaren777
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Metalmurphy
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Big Takeover
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Two mentions of TOCA on the same page...<3
Looking forward to the improved STM in the new build. That's a nice clutch of UK tracks to go along with all the other great tracks that are already in there. These guys got the tracks thing covered!
Looking forward to the improved STM in the new build. That's a nice clutch of UK tracks to go along with all the other great tracks that are already in there. These guys got the tracks thing covered!
Funny you said that, they just added some voiceovers that really reminded me of Toca
What voiceovers are you talking about?
TOCA was such a great fucking series. Shame Codies fucked it all up..
Yeah, luckily you can.
Metalmurphy
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Com chatter when you do a best lap, get disqualified, etc.
Big Takeover
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Really impressed with the STM on the FA in today's build. Now it needs some tire noise and ffb polish to make the picture a little clearer. The limit can still be a little vague.
I'm really itching to see it on something other than a formula car.
I'm really itching to see it on something other than a formula car.
I'm still waiting for the car I'm most interested in driving, the DRM Zakspeed Capri. If they get it right it's going to be a monster with huge turbo lag at low revs but pure insanity at the last 4-3 thousand rpm. DRM Revival is absolutely one of my favorite mods in rFactor.
Aaaawww yeeeeaaah.
Aaaawww yeeeeaaah.
Hopefully these changes will help:
Interestingly enough, it also now means that the no re-centering and heavy steering at stand still now comes from the actual physics instead of a canned FFB-effect:
There's also some really interesting physicst talk in the AJ's Thread on how to approach the most realistic physics in a game and what are difficult parts of it.
mclaren777
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I hope the STM is further polished for the next Junior build.
Some of these changes sound rather interesting.
Some of these changes sound rather interesting.
I'd expect there to be more bug fixes and that sort of thing, but hopefully we'll get a new set of tyres for another car for the 2/11 build (or before). It could be a bit optimistic though since there seems to be a lot more work to do with the core of STM.
Good news is that thank to Arucardo I managed to at least get a temporary fix for my throttle by adding a hefty 28% DZ at the end of the pedal travel, but it certainly isn't enough to do some serious racing. Gonna have to take a look at the insides and see what's busted, if it's the pot then I might even be able to replace it (dunno if it's worth putting the effort in that pos). If it all goes to hell I think I'm gonna save the actual steering wheel though, I really like the MOMO even if it's a bit small.
drugstore_cowboy
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I've got an old Momo in the loft, pedals work fine.
If you are in the UK I could sort them out for you.
If you are in the UK I could sort them out for you.
Big Takeover
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Interesting. Yeah, it makes sense to get the underlying tire feel correct first. It was only mid-corner in some of the hairpins (Tosa, and the last two corners at Donington) that gave me any problems. I'd be fine with not having scrubbing sounds, or not having scrubbing ffb, but not both at the same time.
He's absolutely right though, looping it in a hairpin is not something that would happen on the old tires. It's certainly much more sophisticated now.
Thanks for the offer, but I'm in Finland and it's no problem really; I'm really just looking for an excuse to get rid of the thing even if it means being without a wheel for almost a year. If I can fix it myself then that's okay, but it's so crappy that I probably still won't end up using it much.
BTW, one guy on the forums is getting another 60K on the project pushing him to over 4xSM and rocktobers total quite high...
...and there should be 2 more SM packs coming up too (or atleast one), we'll probably beat the record of 308K€ per month...
Yeah, I must admit that that after hearing that my saving account's rate dropped from 3% to 1% I was definitely tempted to increase my toolpack or get a second account for the possible WiiU version (or give the game to my friend), but for some reason I didn't and kinda feel stupid putting down 2.5K with 1% interest rate which will give me like 15 once the taxman takes his cut...
I'll leave the decisions to yourselves, but I've yet to see reason for my confidence to falter in any way. If you can afford to lose the money in worst case scenario and are willing to take the risk then you might want to at least think about it. I'm sure mclaren can give a few reasons not to, but I certainly can understand why people like Micas, Bounty, Martin and others have put so much on the same terms as everyone else. It's also fair noting that SMS themselves are going pretty much all-in even though they get a free 30% cut from the profits.
As for the profits paid back, they mentioned that they would be distributed in quarterly batches through paypal for <Manager toolpacks and if need be with bank transfers for the bigger toolpacks.
Care to PM me that xcell file? Thanx in adv.
And yeah, I have been thinking in upgrading to Manager for days now and now you got me interested bit more with your previous post. Is there any news about ETA for end of financing?
Pretty much, yeah, I remember it having a publisher cut too so for example copies sold possibly SMS themselves or through Steam or similar would count yield more profit. The budget doesn't really include any marketing apart from the toolpack promotions that SMS have given to they guys that have made trailers like our ed3dfx. It does include the 30% SMS cut though, so the game really doesn't need to sell that much to break even.
The end is when the 3.75 mil is broken so I guess a couple of months in the least.
Here's the profit estimation exel and thread
You should tone down the unit cost though, even through Steam you're not getting 45€ from a 60€ game, even less so from the console versions which will most likely be the main sellers and with the distributors cut.
mclaren777
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Only if you're confident that this project will get a major publisher.
You know the risks if this stays a PC-only title.
Fair point, but it's one of the things I'm least doubting about; SMS absolutely need to get it on consoles and I'm sure if it comes to it they will make the necessary sacrifices to get the game released. Still given how well the funding is going at the moment SMS is definitely in a good negotation position.
Also, people have been reporting 40-50+ multiplayer races working pretty well already even though not everyone survives on to the grid. 64 player endurance races will be absolutely amazing with the changing weather and time.
mclaren777
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You really think so? As more and more people buy Full memberships, less and less people will need to buy the game. I personally don't expect the PC version to sell well (in the tradition sense) after launch. So you're right, SMS really needs to get this game on at least one console. If they fail to, this project will be lucky to break even, and that's assuming the "whales" don't sue for their money back.
7500 full members is still pretty much peanuts in the grand scale and 20K active members isn't that much either. I admit that it's the one of the few reasons for small doubt, but we're still talking less than 10% of what the game needs to break even. But I think you're on the right track with the pc sales, Shift and S2U apparently sold about 5% of the total on pc and even with PC gaming on the rise and Steam's active userbase being higher than it was then, I'd say consoles is where the game will reach it's financial potential.
And as for the negotiation position yes, back when they first announced that they might be signing a deal SMS needed money to fund the game's development and said publisher wanted creative control in turn. Now SMS can complete the game by themselves and hopefully strike a deal for shipping the game like Valve did with their console games.
Sweet mother of God.
Yup, only on the Asano X4 and even then just the non-metallic default liveries. It's not applied on the glass either and not affected by wind/speed yet.
I don't know how much can be done with deferred rendering, but I hope that some sort of (DX11?) anti-aliasing solution does get some improvement in the end, ideally something similar to MSAA. Take that last screenshot for instance -- the rail on the left looks great, probably because of free camera DOF being chosen, but the rail on the right is in focus and jaggy.
However, the shots look nice and I'm just nitpicking of course.
However, the shots look nice and I'm just nitpicking of course.
Oh I definitely agree that the IQ isn't on the same level as the rest of the tech. Now that Griff should be coming back soon-ish, I hope he'll see if MSAA resolve could be improved on DX11 renderer, the stuff like windscreens not affected by MSAA I believe is a DX9 limitation and there should be some minor improvements that could be made for DX11. Downsampling is off course the best way for a good quality image (coupled with a bit of MSAA and maybe some SMAA) and is apparently what Griff will tackle on first, but it's most likely something that my hardware won't be able to run at playable framerates, certainly not before the game's optimized. I'd expect the polishing and balancing to improve the IQ, but that usually happens at crush stage and probably won't be a tremendous improvement.
I love the new build notes format... much more clear and easy to read.
Dedicated Server software for PC, P2P for consoles. The overall design is still very much WIP, but things like co-op career, safety ratings, custom race scripts, hot seating, etc. are considered. I picked a few quotes from the first design meeting regarding multiplayer from the devs: