Honestly I was a bit disappointed with the hardware numbers and specs when I heard them at first but so far the PS4 has proven to be capable of outputting visuals beyond what I expected of launch titles with even better hardware. The graphics are impressing me, even if the hardware doesn't. The ease of development on the platform seems to be a paying off.
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ArchedThunder
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I feel the same way, I expected more but with the specs we got I am surprised by how the games look and am looking forward to the rest of the generation.
Always-honest
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Yep. It's more than the sum of its parts it seems. Combined with talented studios, optimised engines and big budgets, we have loads of great stuff to come.
Killzone Dhadowfall really looks insane sometimes.
Clarkus Darkus
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Some of the crap people are putting upon KZ and its looks is really somewhat speaking volumes about certain gamers, I guess the ps4 and its specs with visuals it outputs at launch have put certain nose's out of joint so to make themselves feel better they say they are not impressed by KZ. lol.
Of course it's going to be a slower CPU, Should have targeted the cell in the ps3 if you wanted a decent CPU, I think all ps4 owners can rest assured that the machine Cerny put together will continue to impress for years to come.
This gen is about GPU > CPU
£349......Some people really need to look at that price when trying to shit on it and its specs.
Of course it's going to be a slower CPU, Should have targeted the cell in the ps3 if you wanted a decent CPU, I think all ps4 owners can rest assured that the machine Cerny put together will continue to impress for years to come.
This gen is about GPU > CPU
£349......Some people really need to look at that price when trying to shit on it and its specs.
DonMigs85
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Yes, that plus the fact that they wanted a single APU rather than separate GPU + CPU on the motherboard. A more powerful CPU like Piledriver would've been too hot and power-hungry (not to mention drive the cost up)
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BigDaddyFatSack
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Both PS4 and X1 just use tablet CPUs with big GPUs attached to them so I'm not surprised.
DonMigs85
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Not quite, they're netbook/subnotebook-class. The tablet versions are even lower-power
serversurfer
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dragonelite
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That's because avoiding deadlock and dealing with race conditions is a bitch, and it's not easy to design an interactive product such that the threads are mutually exclusive. Every time you have one thread do something that could impact another, you have to make sure to implement safeguards in your code to avoid potential race conditions.
IE: You want to isolate sound to one thread. A user input can trigger a sound (jumping, firing a gun). So can a game engine event (a building collapsing, an enemy moving, etc).
You need to make sure that when one thread is writing to the sound thread, the other isn't. And you need to make sure that when one thread is no longer writing to the sound, it frees up the process to be accessed by another thread.
In a single threaded system? Well, an action triggers a sound and it happens. Whatever code is being executed at any point in time is all that exists, and all that matters. You don't have to worry about some weird race condition between threads triggering a catastrophic failure.
So the solution might be to have sound as part of the main thread, and only have other threads deal with processes that have no sound associated with them. Like rendering visuals, or doing physics calculations.
But what if the rendering has to be synched up with the sound in the main thread? Or the value of the physics calculation is a collision detection between two objects, and that produces a distinct sound?
What if the physics don't match up with what's being rendered?
Etc.
Every possibility, including those that shouldn't be possible, has to be accounted for.
So whats the point? Cant that memory be used as normal ram?
serversurfer
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My bad. I'd heard it was "between a 7850 and 7870," but I didn't realize it was much closer to the 7850.
I don't really pay attention do PC GPUs.
DonMigs85
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Obviously the near-doubling in performance is the main goal.
DonMigs85
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The PS4 GPU actually has the full 1280 SPs/20 CUs of the 7870 but 2 are disabled for improved yields.
What I'm wondering is what the state of things will be in 2-3 years. By then I think iPads or even smart phones will not only have better CPUs but possibly better GPUs than the PS4. Gaming PCs will be far, far, far ahead and even cheap laptops will beat it.
I think that in 2-3 years the PS4 will have to be really cheap to even be considered good performance for the price.
That will be interesting. And I'm very certain it will happen. And the games on iPad 8 and Surface Pro 5 (and gaming PCs) will have awesome looking games that will translate onto the PS4 with 1024x520 resolution upscaled and a flaky 27fps framerate.
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And perhaps by THEN will some of the people here on GAF get what some of us others are saying when we are saying the new consoles are underwhelming.
I think that in 2-3 years the PS4 will have to be really cheap to even be considered good performance for the price.
That will be interesting. And I'm very certain it will happen. And the games on iPad 8 and Surface Pro 5 (and gaming PCs) will have awesome looking games that will translate onto the PS4 with 1024x520 resolution upscaled and a flaky 27fps framerate.
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And perhaps by THEN will some of the people here on GAF get what some of us others are saying when we are saying the new consoles are underwhelming.
No as it's already being used to render frames.
TheGreyHulk
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IPads still won't have a better gpu in 2-3 years. The gpus in what's available now still don't match the 360's. Nvidias next mobile gpu will just be stronger than the 360's, a cup made 8-9 years ago.
The low power requirements and space constraints keeps mobile behind. By the time they catch up, new systems will be out. I can see then matching cpu power though
vpance
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It's all about utilization and target specs. After all, all the major mutliplat games on PC are still essentially running games designed around 8 year old console hardware. And 6 years from now we'll still be in the same situation.
My prediction is, 2 years out we'll see a lot of comments like "how the hell did they do this on a cheap tablet CPU and low end GPU??". Well, because that's the new baseline.
Never understood the crowing about superior hardware when software usually targets the baseline. Back in 2004 when Far Cry came out and later the HDR patch, I knew I was seeing something special, not achievable on consoles courtesy of my great PC hardware. It was worth talking about. Nowadays when all the major games are consolized and pretty similar, not so much, IMO.
Linkin Park
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Maybe CPU-wise, but tablets won't beat the PS4's GPU in the next few years. They're just now catching up to 360 performance. Do to power consumption and what-not, it just won't be plausible.
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iamshadowlark
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