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Project M completely expunged from Apex 2015 Smash tournament at Nintendo's request
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Dark Ninja
Member
Nintendo has gone soft under Iwata. Yamauchi would have had that cease and desist sent out day 1
Well, if MK8 and Pikmin 3 are anything to go by, Nintendo seems like they're in for the long haul with respect to squeezing value out of those games. Additionally, Smash is a vehicle for selling amiibos so I don't see Nintendo abandoning the Smash community as a publicity tool any time soon (at least until amiibos are abandoned).
Also, I expect this to be the case as well (unfortunately).
If Nintendo is truly about that life then they should support the game(s) throughout it's life. We'll see though.
solomon
Member
Yeah your're right I forgot about Brawl lol but when people are like Nintendo needs the "competitive crowd" I always roll my eyes. Games like street fighter need the competitive crowd because a good chunk of sales come from them, the smash casual fan base destroys us in numbers so at the end of the day Nintendo really doesn't gain much by supporting us.
Nope, it's people who still stick to Melee instead of moving on and developing new ways of playing Smash competitively who failed Nintendo.
Suzushiiro
Banned
Considering that Project M effectively exists because Nintendo didn't give a fuck about competitive Smash, I think it's a fair trade for it to be removed from tournaments in exchange for Nintendo giving a fuck again.
Hopefully Nintendo will continue to give a fuck after Smash U has launched, instead of just supporting the scene while it sells copies and then abandoning it once they have nothing to gain from marketing it anymore.
Hopefully Nintendo will continue to give a fuck after Smash U has launched, instead of just supporting the scene while it sells copies and then abandoning it once they have nothing to gain from marketing it anymore.
It has had the spotlight, smash 4 has not yet. Chill out
They're already supporting MK8 to give it continued life (and they did a dang good job with it too so far). I don't see why Smash would be any different (and they're already on record to give it lasting patch and DLC support), especially since it doesn't lose value overtime same as Mario Kart.
With the current stance Iwata has pro-gamer, I can't seem them not seeing this through for a few years at least. Scrappy Nintendo is best Nintendo... also no Yamauchi's iron fist helps matter greatly.
IntSys is Nintendo.
Not this again...
Pretty sure HAL, GameFreak, and PokeCo wouldn't be hard to sway either. Isn't HAL second party anyway?
The bigger issues are the actual third party big shots.
Pop-O-Matic
Banned
We did develop a new way to play competitively with the newer game. It's called Project M.
Seriously, people TRIED to make Brawl work as a competitive game, but it didn't work out. There was practically a year-long honeymoon with the game before the competitive community at large decided "Fuck it" and went back to Melee.
chaosblade
Unconfirmed Member
I think it's funny though, that it's mostly the casual Smash fans saying people need to "move on," but then also argue that the series shouldn't take competitive play into consideration.
Now explain why he's wrong? Or are you not trying to imply that?
Most Melee players are going to stick with Melee since it's proven it can survive a new Smash game coming and going, especially if they don't like the changes Smash 4 brings to the table.
TheOhrenberger.
Banned
Makes sense. They're trying to promote Smash fro Wii U
Lol that logic... Do people actually think like this when it comes to gamer/developer relationships?
Show me where the competive scene touched you.
What the hell is this? It's the consumer's fault because the product made by a company isn't what they want?
Mihael Mello Keehl
Banned
Yamauchi would of sent out a cease and desist when he saw the first playstation all stars trailer Lol
Modding flourished before Steam and regardless of Steam.
Holy Order Sol
Member
Oh, advertising tool, you mean their sponsorship of a tourney. Seems like a pretty traditional way of advertising a product that lots of companies do. Are you currently being manipulated to talk about and play smash 4? You don't do that by choice?
HAHAAAAAHAHAHHHAAAA
10/10
FTFY, also define competitive play please
ThatCrazyGuy
Member
Makes sense.
chaosblade
Unconfirmed Member
Don't forget, you should have to mail back the copies of the old games so they can be destroyed, as they should be!
You sound really bitter.
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
I don't know why but it actually made me laughing.
Yeah, it suck that Project M wouldn't be there but I completely understand why tho. I'm pretty sure that they are going to have side tournament for Project M at different location right? I heard something about it.
I would love to see if people actually give Smash U a chance so I can see how they would do with Duck Hunt (and other newcomers) if anyone ever got skilled with it.
Edited: I'm afraid to jump into conclusion but people should be happy that Nintendo haven't called out C&D on Project M right now. However I'm concerned that with the fact that they released Project M 3.5 a week before Smash U release date might ruffling their feathers.
I admit I don't know that much about the community, but Brawl sold like hotcakes to casuals. They don't seem too picky.
Did it sell a lot? Do we have data already? (serious questions)
I'm not saying they shouldn't do it, I'm just saying it wouldn't be the soundest decision commercially. Besides the adapter was made so that people would more willingly buy the NEW Smash. Spending a small but not insignificant budget to remaster Melee just after 4 has come out, a game that's probably going to feature a long term DLC plan like MK8, is a completely different thing.
That would be an amazing act of goodwill towards the fans, because they certainly wouldn't do it for profit.
Emulation through the VC is a different situation and i could totally see that happening. We got Smash 64 on the VC already after all.
Supporting a corporation this much is unhealthy Stair-Kun.
Sadly, yes.
I still believe that Brawl sold more off the back of the success Melee than it did off it's own merits.
Surely the increase in sales would have been much higher like Mario Kart if casualising the game was really the key to success, didn't Melee have a much higher attach rate or something?
The communities are completely separate. Trying to think one is going to replace the other is absolute nonsense. Also there is a high fucking chance Smash 4 will become the main game played at tourneys for the next few years. Melee will still be there for those who want it, but saying it'll be top dog for 5-10 years is nonsense. Consider how hard this is being pushed in contrast to Brawl, which btw still had a huge presence up until last year at Apex when numbers went down for the first time.
chaosblade
Unconfirmed Member
So you agree. Okay then.
Double Dash sold basically as much as Melee in less time.
Keep in mind that much of the new Wii audience weren't the sort of people who buy Smash Bros.
But yes, comparing sales of Melee to Brawl is silly when you compare GameCube and Wii sales. Both sold very well and their sales had little to do with their merit as tournament games.
I think that's part of it sometimes. A game's initial sales often seem based largely on how well received the predecessor was. Though on Wii, I think a big part of it comes from sales over a long time period. *shrug*
But another, similar part I think: the people in the competitive community love Smash Bros. It doesn't matter how poorly Nintendo tries to make it, I'm pretty sure I'm still buying it. Just like Zelda, or Metroid. My hopes are too high for these games. They need to do literally zero things to make me buy them, as an enthusiast. I think Nintendo realizes that it doesn't matter how badly they tick off the community, we'll still give them money.
True enough. It seems like people forget, Brawl was outshining Melee in terms of popularity and attendance for a few solid years. Smash 4 may very well do the same.
Iva Demilcol
Member
In the case of Smash brothers "competitive play" means playing 1vs1 in final destination, no items, etc. Basically no-fun-allowed mode.
=P
Ehhhh depends what you mean by "few", It's either going to last longer than Brawl due to being a slightly better game, or people just won't care about trying it for that long a second time round just because there are better alternatives available.
I think it all depends on how much new blood Smash 4 brings as well as how fun it is to play and watch, personally I don't think it's a good spectator game at all.
It sold off of Melee (like any sequel to a beloved game) and the enormous Wii userbase. Melee had an absurd tie in ratio on the Gamecube.
Gunstar Ikari
Unconfirmed Member
That attitude is always amusing. Street Fighter fans had no problem rejecting SFxT, KOF fans have no problem playing '98 and 2002 alongside (or instead of) XIII, but you're a crybaby that can't adapt if you're not playing the newest Smash.
At the least Evo 2015 & 2016 depending on how the metagame develops. Currently it plays a lot more like Brawl than Melee which is turning off a lot of people, but I think it'll find its own niche and become something unique that will have its own longevity especially when you consider balance patches and whatnot.
But you're right about how it needs to be fun to watch. At the moment I have no clue because seeing anything played on a 3DS where input lag over wireless can be an issue and the resolution being so low makes Smash 4 seem really boring. Also some top tier Melee players like Mang0 are waiting for the Wii U version to come out and then they'll pick it up. Right now most of the popular streamers and players for Smash 3DS are Brawl players so obviously they'd play the game more like Brawl.
I agree. Companies besides Nintendo have shut down smaller endeavors than Project M. And with Project M including stuff that's not in Brawl, e.g. Roy and Mewtwo, and eventually adding their own characters (Sami, Lyn, Knuckles, Saki), I'd say that they may be treading on thin ice, or at the very least, in an awkward gray area.
As mentioned many, many, many times, competitive players don't actually play on Final Destination most of the time, at least in the US.
Doubles (2 vs 2) is also very popular in tournaments.