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Where did you read about this? Is there an active forum for this?
I remember there being a pretty active forum for Tron Legacy's viral campaign.
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Where did you read about this? Is there an active forum for this?
I remember there being a pretty active forum for Tron Legacy's viral campaign.
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Isn't Prometheus PG-13?
I thought there was no official word.
We don't know yet, but Ridley is submitting two versions for release, R and PG-13, but there's no real reason Fox will favor the R cut. It can only hurt box office performance, they can also sell us the bluray's twice by releasing the R cut a few months down the line.
Expendable.
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Ah, seems so. With what PG-13 is able to get away with nowadays, I can't imagine it would go R.
You can't retcon something that was never even in the continuity.
In terms of Prometheus and Alien, I don't even think you can entirely regard Aliens, either. Scott/Gieger's and Cameron's vision for the aliens and their origins were quite different. That's not a statement of quality about Aliens, just that I don't expect Scott to really give a damn when he's making his movie.
Over the years, Ridley has had many flaws as a director and has had a woefully inconsistent output in terms of the final quality of the films he's released.
However, one thing that has never been in dispute is that he is top-tier in the visual sense. Visually, not a single one of his films have ever or will ever look anything less than superb. He's just on another level when it comes to the look, feel and framing of movies and has been since day one. He was trained traditionally as an artist at first and it shows.
VistraNorrez
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Scott liked Cameron's Aliens a lot. He respects the hell out of Cameron otherwise. While I don't think there will be allusions to Aliens in Prometheus, he wouldn't contradict anything either. Remember in Alien the Company was originally Weylan-Yutani, without the "d". For whatever reason in Aliens a "d" was added and Scott is sticking to that here.
It's Giger by the way.
The whole Alien Queen thing, while cool, already contradicted Alien's vision for the aliens.
And I'm not saying he'll be willfully contradicting Cameron's film, more that he won't even be regarding it in the slightest as he'll be too wrapped up in what he wants to do. I have nothing to support this other than my own intuition!
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symphonask
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Where did you read about this? Is there an active forum for this?
From the official Prometheus twitter page.
http://twitter.com/#!/prometheusmovie
How so?
As per a deleted scene (its in the so-called Directors Cut), the Alien turns people into eggs. And thus the cycle continues.
In Aliens, the alien queen lays eggs instead.
Also, the idea of them being hive like creatures structured around a queen runs counter to the suggestion in the first film that they're biological weapons.
Interesting, I wonder if their move away from a direct prequel could be influenced by not wanting to directly address contradictions between the first two films.
The question of 'canon' is kind of irrelevant, given there isn't a single person responsible for the franchise. For me personally I only like Alien/s so beyond that I don't care, but I would hope Prometheus fits within the world of the two I do like. A selfish concept no doubt, but an honest one.
Salvor.Hardin
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Wait, correct me if I'm wrong, but in Alien, there's no suggestion that humans are turned into the eggs that are found on the spaceship at LV-426, but it is shown that humans can be used for the purpose of incubation. For all we know, there may or may not have been a Queen on that ship laying those eggs.
The movie's absolutely done filming I presume.. but I saw one of those yellow set marker signs (black arrow on yellow backing usually with gibberish words above and below the arrow) that point extras in the direction of commercial/tv/or film shoots, in Pasadena pointed in the direction of Cal Tech, or perhaps Huntington Library. The sign had the word "Weiland" written on it.
99.99% likely no relation, but it certainly caught my eye.
99.99% likely no relation, but it certainly caught my eye.
Well, in literature you have a rather common tradition of authors writing sequels to other author's works. They're not intended to be the same canon, but their own canon using the original as the leaping off point.
So Cameron's 'canon' would be:
Alien (theatrical) -> Aliens
Whereas Scott's canon might be:
Prometheus -> Alien (combination of all material from theatrical and director's cut)
I have no problem with this mental exercise. Until Nintendo released their official Zelda timeline (and even now I don't think it entirely works anyway), I was able to visualise multiple canons are using Ocarina of Time as the starting point.
Opus Angelorum
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The quality of the CGI is spectacular.
SCULLIBUNDO
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Don't forget that the viral marketing recognises the Power Loader.
It's not as if it would irritate me, I'd just prefer it if Prometheus -> Alien (Theatrical) -> Aliens (Special Edition), don't have any blatant contradictions. I'm fine with it if it does, but I'd just prefer it to work as a glorious threesome. Who knows, maybe even Prom, Prom 2, Alien, Aliens, then I can have a new 'canon' Quadrilogy.
The scene showing Dallas and Brett being turned into eggs was cut from the final film. It was included in the alternate cut released in 2003. So no, it's not in the film one way or the other, but the scene is out there, and that was the intent.
Cameron's take on altering the life cycle for Aliens was, if it wasn't in the movie, it didn't happen. Which is fair enough.
Barkley's Justice
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Just the right amount of grit.
that's funny you say that. here's a technology that is arguably better than film, yet we're so used to film that we desire its qualities even if (technically speaking) we're beyond them?
perhaps they added the grit in post? or perhaps they chose a camera that emulates film's grain with noise? in either case, i wonder when we (the movie-going audience as well as the content creators) will step back and ask, "why are we adding or emulating grain? why not embrace digital technology for what it offers?"
My guess is what it works for what they want with Prometheus will stay, whether it contradicts canon or not, even if it contradicts Alien itself. I do have the hunch the queen concept doesn't fit much, but is pure speculation given what little I know about the plot, and no, I don't want to be spoiled. I'm basing this only on the trailers.
symphonask
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YUP
Just the right amount of grit.
LOVE that bit in the UK trailer! Get chills every time.
"If you don't stop it, there won't be any home to go back to."
Noomi really does seem like the perfect choice for this movie.
TheJollyCorner
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I think I saw someone point it out already, but whatever the hell this thing is hovering above her is held by the robotic arm and that, unless I'm wrong, is placed in the center of the chamber. Weird.
SCULLIBUNDO
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Aspect ratio for this film?
I'm hoping 1:85:8 so that this baby fills up the TV screen. Nothing worse than watching literally half the screen taken over by black bars on a film not designed with panorama in mind.
I'm hoping 1:85:8 so that this baby fills up the TV screen. Nothing worse than watching literally half the screen taken over by black bars on a film not designed with panorama in mind.
symphonask
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I think I saw someone point it out already, but whatever the hell this thing is hovering above her is held by the robotic arm and that, unless I'm wrong, is placed in the center of the chamber. Weird.
I think that apparatus is described in Weyland's corporate timeline:
Fully-automated. I'm guessing she's performing surgery on herself.
That begs the question. Where the hell is the rest of the crew?
Trailers are scope.
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mmm... I guess I wouldn't mind it with regard to this film. since there appear to be some great wide angle shots.
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thetrin
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Uh what? He has a southern accent in the trailer. Can you not tell the difference?
Anton Sugar
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I'm not even really seeing the grain here. But even digital films can have "grain", technically.
Aesthetically, it's just a style choice, not necessarily a yearning to look like film. Movies will have grain added in post 50 years from now--the best look for a movie isn't always the clearest one possible.
I hate to make this comparison, but look at the success of Hipstamic/Instagram.
I think we just need wider TVs really. I prefer Scope, less claustrophobic. I'm still irritated Cameron said he preferred the scope version of Avatar in 2D, but the bluray is full screen.
Kai Dracon
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With all this talk of the deleted "life cycle" scene from Alien and alternate canon, does it seem that Scott is still claiming Prometheus is actually a new continuity?
Its all done in post and known most easily as color grading. Filming at 24p, then dropping saturation individually on all RGB color scales combined with adding minor noise will give any digital film that recognizable film look.
Its being done still because its stylized art and sets the mood and tone for any film. I'm curious to see how studios shooting at 48 or 60p are going to make films not look like I"m watching a soap opera. Because as it stands, anything above 30p is pure garbage, puke vision if you ask me. I film all of my personal HDSLR footage at 30p, and only in 60p when I am purposely going to drop the frames 1/2 to 30p to get much smoother slowmo. Motionflow, or any other post software interpolation is disabled on all my displays at home.
I quite honestly cannot stand to look at anything faster than 30p, its a major snob pet peeve of mine. I look forward to studios and movies in the future changing my opinion but as it stands today in 2012 ... 24-30p or bust. Maybe Peter Jackson cant swoon me with The Hobbit.. we'll see.
I think I saw someone point it out already, but whatever the hell this thing is hovering above her is held by the robotic arm and that, unless I'm wrong, is placed in the center of the chamber. Weird.
There's also clearly an umbilical cord...
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That's what I was thinking the other day. Really should just start manufacturing widerscreen tv's. Get rid of that extra length up top and maybe even add it to the sides. It would be the same in terms of cost. And aesthetically superior too.
Or
They should introduce a different version of the film with different aspect ratios on Blu-Ray releases.
Well, that is how it was framed and 'shot', so you'd get complaints from people if they didn't get all the pixels.
They could just release both, let the audience choose. You'd get higher quality too because you could have less compression on the actual visual field while maintaining the same bitrate.
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You play Sine Mora yet?
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