MGS had the Japanese control layout.
In Japan O = Confirm/Correct, X = Cancel/Incorrect.
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MGS had the Japanese control layout.
In Japan O = Confirm/Correct, X = Cancel/Incorrect.
Well of course. How else will the stunted brains of the Ecks peasants be able to comprehend which button to push? They would just throw the controller in frustration if presented with reality! Tutorials are not needed for the enlightened master race of the cross people.
It's a soft g sound, but I agree that people who say "cross" are monsters.
Although deep down I know it's a cross.
*edit* Wait, no, it is a hard g. All of this word madness is confusing me!
I'll be honest, FFT fucked me up for about a day when it launched, and when I go back and play it, it takes me like 5 min to readjust to O being confirm.
Lowercase x does. Saltires have filled out sections, where x is just lines. x on the controller looks like a lower case x before it ever looks like a saltier. You can argue it is a saltier but there really is no real reference that proves the case. It literally can be called both and be right technically, but realistically "cross" means BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD SKULLS FOR THE SKULL THRONE!
I mean if we are going to use wiki as the end all X mark is a thing too.
Whatever MR CROSS!
Although I refer to the button as X and never Cross, cross does make much more sense. I mean we don't refer to O as well....Oh ? I thought the point of the shapes is that they're NOT language characters, and can be interpreted worldwide as the shapes they are. I'm curious as to what non-English speakers refer to it as. It will always be X to me, but three shapes and a random English character does not make sense, I think it makes more sense as Cross.
Fess
Member
This is so odd. I've honestly never heard anyone say the letter X for the PS controller button, don't know if it's because an X is taller than it's wide or if it's simply because the other buttons has always been geometrical symbols instead of letters, but for me it's always been kryss (swedish for cross, not the religious symbol) on Playstation and the letter X on Nintendo and Xbox.
stargateheaven
Member
i call it X not cross, but isn't "X" a letter? if the rest are shapes, it's surely cross.
In japanese, they don't say "cross" they say "batsu" for the button btw
In japanese, they don't say "cross" they say "batsu" for the button btw
Dash Kappei
Not actually that important
Immediately for Playstation, same for Xbox.
BUT even tho I've been gaming Nintendo consoles all my life and they're my fav, since the Super Famicom I still after all these years can't wrap my head around their layout... It's obvious my brain can possibly process so much stupidity and will never ever grasp why:
FFS, THE HELL DOES B come *BEFORE* A??!!!
Doesn't fuckin' make sense goddamn it! Same for X and Y!
Xbox has it right.
X Y
A B
FTW.
Only good layout was Gamecube's (all hail NGC) and Wiimote+Nunchuck
BUT even tho I've been gaming Nintendo consoles all my life and they're my fav, since the Super Famicom I still after all these years can't wrap my head around their layout... It's obvious my brain can possibly process so much stupidity and will never ever grasp why:
FFS, THE HELL DOES B come *BEFORE* A??!!!
Doesn't fuckin' make sense goddamn it! Same for X and Y!
Xbox has it right.
X Y
A B
FTW.
Only good layout was Gamecube's (all hail NGC) and Wiimote+Nunchuck
staticneuron
Member
X as a symbol has been historically described as a cross and less people actually use the term saltire (reason being, if you haven't guessed, is because the symbol was around long before the english alphabet). But just because the masses use the letter X to describe the symbol doesn't mean it is really correct.
The masses use terms like "ain't" , "could care less" and the most common I hear is when people use the letter O to describe the number Zero in a sequence of numbers.
Using incorrect terms become habit especially if no one is corrected on these things.
Lowercase x does. Saltires have filled out sections, where x is just lines. x on the controller looks like a lower case x before it ever looks like a saltier. You can argue it is a saltier but there really is no real reference that proves the case. It literally can be called both and be right technically, but realistically "cross" means BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD SKULLS FOR THE SKULL THRONE!
I mean if we are going to use wiki as the end all X mark is a thing too.
Ok. From your link.......
and....
As a verb, to ex (or x, notably one of the shortest English words)[3] off/out or to cross off/out means to add such a mark. It is quite common, especially on printed forms and document, for there to be squares in which to place x marks, or interchangeably checks. In some areas it's common for people to check a square box with a cross rather than a check mark, while in others the check mark (✓or even a v mark[citation needed] is used.
Best example here. Nintendo and Microsoft used letters instead of sybols so calling them a cross in those cases would be incorrect.
Yep, that's one of the things lost in translation about the Sony button layout: X (batsu) and O (maru) are highly recognizable shorthand symbols for false/no and true/yes in Japan. Their positions correspond to the way things are still done on Nintendo controllers.
LOL, this quickly turned into a gif vs jif thread.
As for how long it took me to get used to the buttons? My only prior experience was N64 and GC before playing a friend's PS2 so the button layout was different for me. I would screw up a bit early on, but it took less than 10 minutes for me to get a decent idea where they were. It also helped that the game gave a hint during the tutorial where they were by having the symbols in a certain direction (right, down, etc)
As for how long it took me to get used to the buttons? My only prior experience was N64 and GC before playing a friend's PS2 so the button layout was different for me. I would screw up a bit early on, but it took less than 10 minutes for me to get a decent idea where they were. It also helped that the game gave a hint during the tutorial where they were by having the symbols in a certain direction (right, down, etc)
Kagoshima_Luke
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Team ecks, checking in.
krypt0nian
Banned
Everyone I've ever gamed with calls it the X (echs) button.
Heed me before it's too late.
Heed me before it's too late.
stargateheaven
Member
i wonder who decided the change for american/european consoles? it seems an annoyance that is too late to change back, and it would of been fine and accepted from the beginning.
Dash Kappei
Not actually that important
A cross can also be x, not only +
Having said that, here we call it "ex" (even tho I know it's "cross" I refuse to call it that and it seems my fellow countrymen agree with me
)Beelzebufo
Banned
It's pretty clearly the X button, I don't know why you'd bother to call it anything else.
MorisUkunRasik
Member
'cross'?
krypt0nian
Banned
You guys better edit your cross posts. Bish is going to ban all you motherfuckers.
Truth.
Truth.
Fess
Member
And the O, is it a circle or the letter O?
For me it has always been about geometry on Playstation and both an X and an O is taller than it's wide so for me it's always been: square, triangle, cross, circle. But like I said above, cross in swedish is kryss and isn't the same as the religious symbol which I'm seeing people post in this thread which might make it less strange to go for cross (kryss) in my case.
It's that in the USA too if you look at many machines here, the guy who decided otherwise was just an enormous asshole.Imru al-Qays;118111460 said:
And it took me awhile to learn it initially, but it's second nature to me now. And X and cross are equally valid in my mind, cross fits the motif but X is quicker to say so I usually prefer that in speech. Box for square is just madness though.
Brutalitops
Banned
I bet Hitler would have called it Cross
It's pretty easy to code switch for me, but I'd played the NES, Genesis, SNES and PS1 by the time I was 4. The only controller layout I had problems with remembering was the SNES controller's, for some reason. Coincidentally, that confusion helped me adapt to the Xbox layout pretty quickly.
So long as no one ever called the X button "criss", it's whatever, but I said "ecks". O was mostly "circle" and on rare occasions "oh," depending on how frantically I was trying to communicate.
zeopower6
Member
What next? You're gonna call the PSX the PSCROSS?!?!
By the way, don't call the PS1 the PSX. It's a completely different machine.
Wasn't it PSX until the PS2? It's the other correct abbreviation after PS1.
Raonak
Banned
Actually, they never referrer to the buttons by name in MGS.
It's always "Press the action button"
I remember it well, because I always used to think "WHATS THE ACTION BUTTON!?"
It's still "PSX" to a large extent, the X is just there to fill space and make it fit the standard three letter initialism convention.
Not officially, but it was the popular designation. Then Sony went back and re-branded the PS1 officially as PSone when they released the slim model.
RMS Gigantic
Member
Hey. People. This prototype PlayStation controller had a vertically oriented "two-intersecting-lines-symbol" and one that was tilted 45 degrees!
Where is your Penta-God now?
More forgotten ancients:
I say X, but even I would call that cross "plus". After all, the other symbol is minus.
Listen to this man!
djplaeskool
Member
Hey. People. This prototype PlayStation controller had a vertically oriented "two-intersecting-lines-symbol" and one that was tilted 45 degrees!
Where is your Penta-God now?
More forgotten ancients:
Kind of wish they stuck with the Saturn-esque six face button design.
Arlecchino
Member
It really is cross. But you say "ecks" unless you're a hooligan.
PetriP-TNT
Member
I had gotten used to it in the SNES era: A B Y and Cross
I'm intrigued by the one in the top left; that looks like a 4-way PoV hat, which would make it a controller that effectively has seven face buttons!
Took me a few minutes to learn the function.
Triangle=Menu
X=Confirm(Cancel-J)
O=Cancel(Confirm-J)
Square=The red-haired step-child, disowned by the main family button. Could be anything when he grew up, but not good enough for the world to care, and was not given a universal command.
I am serious, I can't remember if Square has a universal command.
If X is a Jump, then Square would be an Attack. If X is Attack, then Square would be Block/Dodge, or Secondary Attack.
Square always depends on another button function to have its own usage.
Triangle=Menu
X=Confirm(Cancel-J)
O=Cancel(Confirm-J)
Square=The red-haired step-child, disowned by the main family button. Could be anything when he grew up, but not good enough for the world to care, and was not given a universal command.
I am serious, I can't remember if Square has a universal command.
If X is a Jump, then Square would be an Attack. If X is Attack, then Square would be Block/Dodge, or Secondary Attack.
Square always depends on another button function to have its own usage.
Playstations buttons seemed so weird to me when they first came out, and technically a lot of them are still kind of annoying for shorthand purposes (when reading an FAQ or something it's not exactly great to have to write out "triangle" or "square" a bunch, compared to ABXY." Still, I got the hang of Playstation after a while.
And yes, it's X, not "cross."
The REAL crime of crimes, though, is that Nintendo and Microsoft both use the A-B-X-Y button labels, but swap their positions around. B on a Nintendo system is A for Microsoft and having grown up on Super Nintendo and been very used to Nintendo gaming in general, trying to play PC games that use the Xbox-style button notation really winds up fucking with my head something fierce. Quick-time events especially were a bitch for me to try and fumble through because when I'm used to seeing a "Y" pop up on screen, my instinct is to go SNES on it and press the leftmost face button. Wrong! Dammit!
And yes, it's X, not "cross."
The REAL crime of crimes, though, is that Nintendo and Microsoft both use the A-B-X-Y button labels, but swap their positions around. B on a Nintendo system is A for Microsoft and having grown up on Super Nintendo and been very used to Nintendo gaming in general, trying to play PC games that use the Xbox-style button notation really winds up fucking with my head something fierce. Quick-time events especially were a bitch for me to try and fumble through because when I'm used to seeing a "Y" pop up on screen, my instinct is to go SNES on it and press the leftmost face button. Wrong! Dammit!