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[FeiRR]

So much discussion over the jump button.

 

[jimbobsmells]

Context people. It's all about context.

And in this case it's clearly X.

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I always assumed it was based on X and O being Japanese positive / negative symbols, with square and triangle thrown in as ambigious extras.

 

[Marceles]

Didn't take me long if I remember correctly, the only tough transistion I had with a controller was getting used to XY and AB being reversed on Dreamcast vs. SNES

 

[Terrible_Majesty]

in other news i just realized whi nintendo is b then a, its because japanese read from right to left. mindexplodes

 

[Sixfortyfive]

in other news i just realized whi nintendo is b then a, its because japanese read from right to left. mindexplodes

But Sega goes left-to-right.

 

[KenOD]

But Sega goes left-to-right.

Well, they did start off as an American company. Really a SErvice to GAmes that.

 

[Sayad]

Context people. It's all about context.

And in this case it's clearly X.

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I always assumed it was based on X and O being Japanese positive / negative symbols, with square and triangle thrown in as ambigious extras.

Especially that O is the default confirm in Japanese games while X is back/cancel.

 

[Soodanim]

W cross Y Z

I don't recall having problems with the PS symbols. It might because they're obvious to me now, but they're unique symbols. It's not like other consoles where letters move depending on who made it. Triangle will always be the top one, etc.

Especially that O is the default confirm in Japanese games while X is back/cancel.

After playing Nintendo systems/games for a while, it's the default in my head too. I booted up FFIV PSP and was so glad I could switch X and O.

Context people. It's all about context.

And in this case it's clearly X.

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I always assumed it was based on X and O being Japanese positive / negative symbols, with square and triangle thrown in as ambigious extras.

I don't know how much truth there is in it, but I remember reading that square and triangle were chosen because of intended functions.

 

[foxbeldin]

I don't know how much truth there is in it, but I remember reading that square and triangle were chosen because of intended functions.

Square is a paper or a document, meaning menu

Triangle is a viewpoint, a direction, forward.

Edit : i don't care if people call it eks or cross, have it your way. But the intended name is cross, because they're symbols, not letters.
In France, most of us call it "croix" (cross) because of this playstation commercial.

 

[Zakalwe]

The triangle refers to viewpoint; I had it represent one’s head or direction and made it green. Square refers to a piece of paper; I had it represent menus or documents and made it pink. The circle and X represent ‘yes’ or ‘no’ decision-making and I made them red and blue respectively. People thought those colors were mixed up, and I had to reinforce to management that that’s what I wanted.

Game. Set. Match.

If it were Cross, he would have written Cross.

He wrote X.

Therefore it's X.

 

[Poimandres]

It's a shame Microsoft didn't adopt the same symbols for their Cross Box

 

[Piggus]

What the fuck at all the people (wrongly) calling it "cross." Do you call Xbox the "Cross Box" as well?

­△o□x

Delta Ball Box Cross

 

[RMS Gigantic]

What the fuck at all the people (wrongly) calling it "cross." Do you call Xbox the "Cross Box" as well?



Delta Ball Box Cross

Presumably they call it the "Cross-Bo-cross".

 

[foxbeldin]

What the fuck at all the people (wrongly) calling it "cross." Do you call Xbox the "Cross Box" as well?

xbox is all letters
ps is all symbols

 

[Hyperactivity]

So... Marvel "X" Tekken?

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It's Cross

and Xenoblade Chronicles X (EX)

counterpoint

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Although I think in Japan it's cross, and Xenocross Chronicles would sound much better imo

 

[Moosichu]

''I suppose I don't have to mention you can jump using the 'X' button'(1:26)

Honestly, some of you Gaffers shock me.

btw those T-shirts are non-cannon!

 

[nofi]

Game. Set. Match.

If it were Cross, he would have written Cross.

He wrote X.

Therefore it's X.

I think it's an audio interview, via Famitsu, so it might have been written down as 'x' when transcribing.

In any case, Sony call it 'cross', whereas most gamers call it 'x'.

 

[Acquiescence]

9 pages of people debating whether it's 'X' or 'Cross'? Wow.

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it's X, as in "ex"

 

[AristoCat]

Always called it cross, like everyone I know, all four buttons are shapes, I don't see why one of them would be suddently a letter, not logical to me. Plus a cross is a cross as long as there are two bars perpendicular to each other... Like an X it is called a saltire, which is a cross.

X sounds really weird to me.

 

[davidbloop]

Having a PAL Snes controller made the transition slightly harder. Same shape made it easy but I'd gotten very used to the colours of the snes controller at the time, having to relearn it did throw me at first (was still easy though)

I can see the transition being a bit easier if you had a super ugly American snes controller though since it wasn't colour coded.

 

[Psycho_Mantis]

Of course its X.

 

[starchild excalibur]

Had no idea people called it cross. X is x. It's like calling square, "quadrilateral."


...Just go with the simplest name for it, people.

 

[The Silver]

9 pages of people debating whether it's 'X' or 'Cross'? Wow.

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it's X, as in "ex"

what debate?

99% of this thread is everyone saying how X is correct and cross is for uneducated barbarians

 

[foxbeldin]

by the way guys, it's pronounced jif

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10 more pages !

 

[RMS Gigantic]

what debate?

99% of this thread is everyone saying how X is correct and cross is for uneducated barbarians

X master race

Poor cross peasants

 

[Eusis]

So much discussion over the jump button.

If you ask Bethesda that's the Pyramid button.

 

[NeonDelta]

Always been X for me, not cross

 

[genbatzu]

Kreis, icks (ʔɪks), Dreieck, Viereck

since the original PlayStation 1

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or

One Line, Two Lines, Three Lines, Four Lines

 

[Zakalwe]

I think it's an audio interview, via Famitsu, so it might have been written down as 'x' when transcribing.

In any case, Sony call it 'cross', whereas most gamers call it 'x'.

Why would they transcribe cross as X of they've clearly written out other symbol names?

I'll go with cross if you can find the creator saying cross. Until then it's X.

 

[eyeball_kid]

Yes they do.

Look at the SNES style layout, contrast it to the PS layout, and put a number to the button.

A = O = 1
B = X = 2
X = ▲ = 3
Y = ■ = 4

O is made from one line, X is two lines, triangle is three lines and square is four.

Yeah, I remember someone explaining that to me a long time ago, but it doesn't really help me instantly remember which one is on the left and right. Like why would "1" start on the right side? So it just seems like the designer was trying to be very clever and failed at being clear.

 

[nofi]

Why would they transcribe cross as X of they've clearly written out other symbol names?

I'll go with cross if you can find the creator saying cross. Until then it's X.

Because that what they're used to writing, perhaps? It's like hearing "multiplied by" and writing "x" when transcribing.

Sony call it Cross. I don't know about the actualities of the actual creator of the controller, sorry.

 

[PorllM]

I always knew where X and Triangle were but always got mixed up between Square and Circle. This was because I was a N64/Gamecube/Xbox/Xbox360/Wii guy though. Only got a PS3 about a year ago and a PS4 about 2 months ago. Obviously very used to it now.

 

[xenorevlis]

Was always "CROSS" when I was at SCEA. We more often than not said "X" to each other, though

 

[Imm0rt4l]

I don't give a fuck what anyone says, I'm calling it ecks

 

[Roflobear]

Yeah, I remember someone explaining that to me a long time ago, but it doesn't really help me instantly remember which one is on the left and right. Like why would "1" start on the right side? So it just seems like the designer was trying to be very clever and failed at being clear.

That's how Nintendo did it starting with the SNES, so maybe it's more intuitive for a Japanese company?

 

[Mauricio_Magus]

Wait, there's people that call it cross?

That's crazy.

 

[Zakalwe]

Because that what they're used to writing, perhaps? It's like hearing "multiplied by" and writing "x" when transcribing.

Sony call it Cross. I don't know about the actualities of the actual creator of the controller, sorry.

Most people wouldn't draw an X for a cross though, I'm pretty sure.

 

[Eusis]

That's how Nintendo did it starting with the SNES, so maybe it's more intuitive for a Japanese company?

I think there's a sort of ergonomic logic to it. This isn't a book you're reading, it's a device you're using, and as such A is the first button in the path from your thumb, followed by B, and same (in theory) for Y and X. Microsoft and many other companies went with the reading order instead, not the thumb direction order.

Or that's what I assume, I think it'd make more sense than just about anything else really.

Was always "CROSS" when I was at SCEA. We more often than not said "X" to each other, though

Yeah, I guess my logic earlier on holds. OFFICIAL NAME: Cross. NICKNAME THAT EVERYONE USES INSTEAD: "Ecks"

 

[Shadow Ranger]

You're all wrong, it's the ZECKS button. As in Guilty Gear Zecks. Jesus...you people.

 

[Eusis]

You're all wrong, it's the ZECKS button. As in Guilty Gear Zecks. Jesus...you people.

I'm never trusting Arc Systems when it comes to pronounciation. They'd probably come across the gif/jif argument, and go "it is pronounce sif."

 

[DieH@rd]

Trougao, Kocka, Krug i Iks.

 

[Gipsy Danger]

† is a cross
X is an X

I shed a tear when people complain that it's too hard to learn the symbols. It took me about 30 minutes for it to be second nature.

Explain noughts and crosses then!

 

[Broken Joystick]

No it's "ecks"

#TeamEcks

 

[reminder]

I'm in team X all my life (well, since the original PlayStation came into my life).

I also adapted the button layout very fast. I still mix up the buttons on the Xbox controller, though.

 

[Blastoise]

X can also be a symbol. Such as X (ex) marks the spot. You don't say cross marks the spot.

#TeamEx #TeamReal

 

[Roflobear]

I think there's a sort of ergonomic logic to it. This isn't a book you're reading, it's a device you're using, and as such A is the first button in the path from your thumb, followed by B, and same (in theory) for Y and X. Microsoft and many other companies went with the reading order instead, not the thumb direction order.

Or that's what I assume, I think it'd make more sense than just about anything else really.

Yea that makes way more sense. For some reason I thought Japanese was read from right to left

 

[Eusis]

Yea that makes way more sense. For some reason I thought Japanese was read from right to left

Books go in that direction, true, but if I'm right it seems when the lettering is horizontal it always goes left to right. And looking up pictures of books online and considering the orientation of manga bubbles it seems those are always vertical anyway.

 

[Freshmaker]

† is a cross
X is an X

I shed a tear when people complain that it's too hard to learn the symbols. It took me about 30 minutes for it to be second nature.

Just on a cursory level, they don't make any kind of sense.

SNES had ABXY
Genesis had ABC then added an XYZ row.
NES had AB
TG-16 had button 1 and 2.

PS had random shapes. Not exactly strange that some people found that annoying.

 

[Saikyo]

I say "ex" because its shorter than cross, and cross reminds me of a holy symbols, and vgs are done by the devil so...

 

[Bumcleaver]

X loyal.