Honestly, it is insane how petty Sony is to get their money.
"For the Payers?"
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Pretty as hellI can only see this being rolled back because this is the prettiest, greediest thing I’ve ever heard of. Why are Sony like this?
This could be a bug. As one Reddit user pointed out that if you upgrade for 180 days, Sony also charges for the previous discounted price (as you mentioned), but if you upgrade for 179 days, that fixes the problem.Honestly, it is insane how petty Sony is to get their money.
"For the Payers?"
Honestly, it is insane how petty Sony is to get their money.
"For the Payers?"
If you got your subscriptions from the ps store/site, it's probably pretty easy.Never heard of such a thing before and also how will they keep track of all discounts anyway.
That's what I think - it's a technical issue.Playing devil's advocate here, what I imagine actually happened is likely much less sinister and this is probably the result of an uncaught code error. So in the backend, what I imagine they do is to pro-rata your existing subscription by taking value / total_days * days_left and subtract that from the upgrade fee. What probably happened there is that whoever wrote the code used some piece of data attached to the membership to get the price paid for the sub, rather than using the live store price. I could be totally wrong, but this decision seems so bizarrely bad that I'd feel it's more likely the result of an edge case in the backend handling of upgrades than an intentional decision.
I think they list it on your sub as a different digital item, so it's already sorted. "PS+ Discount Code" etc. or something like that.If you got your subscriptions from the ps store/site, it's probably pretty easy.
Wow. Doesn't even sound legal.Been reading about this all morning. Completely indefensible.
So if you bought PS+ on an official Sony sale on their own store at a discount they offered, they are now asking for the money back lol. Yes, you read that right. If they did an end of year 33% off PS+ sale and you bought 4 years of PS+, they now want 33% x4 + the cost to upgrade to Essential / Premium, and you have to pay all of it at once for the entire duration of whatever you stacked. It's like buying the Last of Us 2 on sale for $20, and then if they put out a $10 next gen upgrade, they ask for the $40 back on top of that.
And yes, it's real. Some people stupidly bought PS+ on sale for 10 years or some shit. And now they can't even upgrade at all unless they pay back all those sale price differences x10.
Probably legal. They just claim that they're converting strictly based on money, and not on what you bought. Essentially giving you a "refund" on what you paid on PS+ but you can only get the "refund" to use it towards the upgrade. Just slimy.Wow. Doesn't even sound legal.
But who knows, maybe the fine print says they can do that. I dont even thin Sony would have weird retroactive terms in their ToS to do this.
Let's see if this is a US/Europe thing. Asia is the smallest region. They might be trying to rip them off hoping nobody else notices or cares if US/Europe dont do this.
That would be a slimy way.Probably legal. They just claim that they're converting strictly based on money, and not on what you bought. Essentially giving you a "refund" on what you paid on PS+ but you can only get the "refund" to use it towards the upgrade. Just slimy.
My plan of only buying a year at a time worth of psplus is paying dividents.Been reading about this all morning. Completely indefensible.
So if you bought PS+ on an official Sony sale on their own store at a discount they offered, they are now asking for the money back lol. Yes, you read that right. If they did an end of year 33% off PS+ sale and you bought 4 years of PS+, they now want 33% x4 + the cost to upgrade to Essential / Premium, and you have to pay all of it at once for the entire duration of whatever you stacked. It's like buying the Last of Us 2 on sale for $20, and then if they put out a $10 next gen upgrade, they ask for the $40 back on top of that.
And yes, it's real. Some people stupidly bought PS+ on sale for 10 years or some shit. And now they can't even upgrade at all unless they pay back all those sale price differences x10.
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Playing devil's advocate here, what I imagine actually happened is likely much less sinister and this is probably the result of an uncaught code error. So in the backend, what I imagine they do is to pro-rata your existing subscription by taking value / total_days * days_left and subtract that from the upgrade fee. What probably happened there is that whoever wrote the code used some piece of data attached to the membership to get the price paid for the sub, rather than using the live store price. I could be totally wrong, but this decision seems so bizarrely bad that I'd feel it's more likely the result of an edge case in the backend handling of upgrades than an intentional decision.
I hope they fix it soon or if it does turn out to be intentional, they should get off their crack pipe and reverse it.
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I think it's pretty easy to calculate. They list the discount codes as separate digital items. It's not calculated at the register. It's a new digital item called "PS+ discount code" or something. So it's already sorted.I hope so. Would make the few years of PSNow I went and bought a complete waste of time. Mine would be an interesting almost impossible case to calculate if this isn't a bug. I bought the codes heavily discounted by a third-party, how much did the codes originally sell for when purchased from Sony?
That's what I mean, the calculation of that accurately is so complex to nail that there's no way they'd bother for a one off windfall, with the amount of customer complaints they'd have to handle and manually fix for incorrectly calculated upgrades. It wouldn't end up being profitable for them and the PR harm would be quite bad.I hope so. Would make the few years of PSNow I went and bought a complete waste of time. Mine would be an interesting almost impossible case to calculate if this isn't a bug. I bought the codes heavily discounted by a third-party, how much did the codes originally sell for when purchased from Sony?
There’s no way the could know how much you paid a retailer no different to a game on a disc.I hope so. Would make the few years of PSNow I went and bought a complete waste of time. Mine would be an interesting almost impossible case to calculate if this isn't a bug. I bought the codes heavily discounted by a third-party, how much did the codes originally sell for when purchased from Sony?
I don't think it is that difficult if you have each 'segment' of service broken out.That's what I mean, the calculation of that accurately is so complex to nail that there's no way they'd bother for a one off windfall, with the amount of customer complaints they'd have to handle and manually fix for incorrectly calculated upgrades. It wouldn't end up being profitable for them and the PR harm would be quite bad.
I was wondering how they'd know.I think it's pretty easy to calculate. They list the discount codes as separate digital items. It's not calculated at the register. It's a new digital item called "PS+ discount code" or something. So it's already sorted.
People who bought discount cards from third party sites are getting a better deal than from the official Sony store, as long as the discount sites bought the cards at full price. Pretty weirrrrrrrrd.
I don't think it is that difficult if you have each 'segment' of service broken out.
I think if you got a normal PS+ code from a third party site at a discount, your normal PS+ code wouldn't trigger this. You just have to see when you redeem your code what it shows up as on your purchase history under subs.I was wondering how they'd know.
So youre thinking a third party site selling them at a discount may trigger the payment too? Purple board suggested only people who bought direct from Sony's site would lead to it.
Let's say you buy 1 year of a discounted retail code then you stack a 25% discounted year on Days of Play and then you stack a full price year. You've used 7 months of the sub. They'd need to estimate/figure out the discounted retail code, prorata it, add the discounted year and add the full year, and then people could go and argue with them about which ones have been used up and how much they actually paid for the retail code versus the estimate. Then if you throw in weird cases like people who stacked a 3 month on top or a 1 month at full price, it gets even trickier. I doubt they'd go to the trouble knowing the backlash and potential for edge cases.I don't think it is that difficult if you have each 'segment' of service broken out.
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Someone got into their mathsLet's say you buy 1 year of a discounted retail code then you stack a 25% discounted year on Days of Play and then you stack a full price year. You've used 7 months of the sub. They'd need to estimate/figure out the discounted retail code, prorata it, add the discounted year and add the full year, and then people could go and argue with them about which ones have been used up and how much they actually paid for the retail code versus the estimate. Then if you throw in weird cases like people who stacked a 3 month on top or a 1 month at full price, it gets even trickier. I doubt they'd go to the trouble knowing the backlash and potential for edge cases.
Very big difference between defending a decision and believing that a decision is a mistake and will be fixed. I said in my post that if this was intentional, it is unacceptable. Have the balls to quote me next time.Just a few seconds before you posted lol.