ItWasMeantToBe19
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It just declined down to 6k a week in Japan, I don't know if it really should be considered close to a turnaround there.
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PS Vita - Now vs. 1 year ago - Has Sony turned it around?
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How much is remote play worth to you? If it's $100-$150, ask yourself if the library of Vita exclusives you know about available now and announced for the future is worth $50-$100 (less if you snag a Black Friday sale or something). If yes, the long-term prospects for the system don't really matter. Think of it like the Dreamcast--total failure, but beloved and considered worthwhile by many.
Aussie Legend
Banned
All they need to do is have a 2000 Bundle that has Minecraft included and watch that shit fly off the shelves
Do they ever do sales on PS1 or PSP games on the PSN store? If I buy into a Vita I will want to pick up some of my favorite games to play through.
I was browsing through some games, check out how cheap Tactics Ogre is
http://us.playstation.com/games/tactics-ogre-let-us-cling-together-psp.html
I was browsing through some games, check out how cheap Tactics Ogre is
http://us.playstation.com/games/tactics-ogre-let-us-cling-together-psp.html
Are not people already playing this on 360, iOS / Android?
Occasionally, thats how i picked up a couple of the ff ps1 games and maybe xenogears as well.
But seriously, i dont see any must have vita exclusive games
. After buying soul sacrifice it turned into a ps1 machine. Until that is fixed, there is 0 reason to buy a vita.I only got a vita because I expected a psp like experience. I loved the psp because their were all these great can't be had anywhere else games. But the didn't live up to that for me. I don't like indies that much and imo it's such a hassle to transfer files that I don't like dl games. Sony doesn't really understand handheld gaming imo. Though I do think it'll pick up a little bit thanks to the ps4.
Aussie Legend
Banned
I'd have to imagine the controls kill a lot of potential players on touch versions, a portable Minecraft could be huge (especially for kids, how many kids you know have DS's?)
IncandescentPrecept
Banned
Hardware sales don't matter as much as software sales. I think they are doing ok in that department. We know Vita owners buy a lot of software.
zerokoolpsx
Member
In terms of sales, no. They are offering more content though and really pushing it with the price drop and remote play. With Vita TV coming and maybe possibly streaming PS3 games to it, it could really take off in more households.
We'll just have to wait and see.
We'll just have to wait and see.
Seriously though, what constitutes a success for the Vita? I feel like this discussion would go a lot better if everyone was working of the same baseline of success. I mean one person may only consider it a success if everyone and their mother had one, others may consider it a success if it just makes everyone money, and still others may think it successful if they are enjoying it personally. So where is the line?
I think being one of the worst selling gaming systems in recent memory, along with beyond tragic exclusive support, means Vita (and WiiU) are currently not successful.
Omnistalgic
Member
Vita is a slow burner people...
So just let it burn slow..
So just let it burn slow..
flatearthpandas
Member
I would agree, but then I would also say that the Wii U will probably end up with more worthwhile first party support than either the PS4 or the 360, so who knows what that's worth.
SilentSoldier
Member
If the best thing going for the system is to be used as an accessory for another system, then I wouldn't say its prospects are better than they were last year. Am I the only one that doesn't see that as a positive?
Forgot the MonHun week lol
Omnistalgic
Member
to be fair, it's not worth that much, since Nintendo have to put on a lot of quality software on Wiiu for lack of third party support. And I'm not sure why you would throw PS4 in there either, after GT6/Beyond, Sony's WWS look to be full steam ahead on PS4, first party output should resemble Nintendo.
On the VIta thing, still needs something you really can't get anywhere else. Perhaps Minecraft will do nicely on it, being the best portable way to play the game. Nothing else screams system seller though. Soul Sacrifice, FF remakes, fighters from capcom etc..will all make some noise though. Will likely not be anything other than a hardcore/niche machine tbh...Vita TV at best, will only add a few 100-300k users I think, anymore will be people who are already in Sony's ecosystem. We'll see though, just my prediction which doesn't mean much.
Think Sony still needs to push shooters on it though. Destiny/BF4/COD on the go could make portable gaming more appealing to regions outside of japan. Really think Sony is just letting VIta slow burn though...
Sony just didn't play it's cards right in Japan, should be number 2 platform over there (meaning much closer in sales) and got Capcom to put that MH on it. We don't know the details though...so, all good in my book. I think MH would have been fine on Vita and Nintnedo would have been more than fine without it, but perhaps Sony just didn't play ball right, theyre system certainly needed it much more and they didn't get it--simple as that.
Still think support for Vita won't dry up though, same 10 year cycle talk for it, so I think Sony will let is slow burn, and some indies will try and strike gold on it--that's the best you can do really. at least it seems easy enough to develop, will always have potential
TheSpoiler
Member
Yeah, nobody is going to argue the sales part, but I think the library is decent. Next year will probably be a lot better for it, what with that Monster Hunter landing on the system.
It's sort of tough--I want to say success for the Vita is justifying Sony investing time and money into R&D for a next generation of handhelds. Essentially, success is such that the Vita isn't the death rattle of Sony's handheld business.
But at this point I think that might end up being off the table, and success may be turning the Vita line into PS4 accessories. So in five years nobody's making Vita titles, but Sony still pumps out Vita hardware to play PS4 titles (and such on Gaikai.)
The thing is the Vita's current state (much like the Wii U) is so dire that any real form of success is just hard to imagine.
As a Vita owner, the PS4 will end up as a $400 accessory to my Vita. If remote play weren't a possibility, I would not buy a PS4. Clearly, the PS4's prospects are not good either right? Of course, that is an absurd statement and an absurd argument. So anyone saying remote play is a system selling feature is making just as an absurd argument. I think what they really should be saying is that remote play along with x number other features plus x games is the system seller. I don't understand why any single game or single feature is what must sell the system and I do wonder how many people have really ever bought a systems for one game or one feature.
I'd wait for this feature to save Vita, I guess. Traditionally, systems get sold when they get appealing games.
Off-Kilter
Banned
Almost, at least for me. I had very little interest in Vita until they announced the Vita TV. Assuming it launches in the US at a reasonable price ($100-ish), I can't wait to get my hands on one and dive into the Vita library, which will hopefully be more robust by then.
vivftp
Member
Is the Vita refresh on sale in Japan yet? Maybe sales are down these past couple of weeks because people are holding off for the new one?
A far point, an announcement of a new version always cannibalizes sales of old versions.
The new version was announced on September 9th. Vita sales from 9/2 to 9/8 were ~7,400 down from 8,400 the week before (and 11,050 the week before that, etc.) The sales have been falling week-on-week for a while, after its last bump, so it's really hard to tell how much impact if any the new model announcement had in the decrease from last week to this week.
It's coming out at the same price with worse screen and a pretty ugly look. I don't see it helping, really.
So it was already headed in that direction prior to the announcement. Hopefully, the new version gives the Vita a bump in Japan.
I've heard previously that it only takes that one game for the Japanese to buy into a new system. If the Vita can get that one title, then they can bite off a decent percentage of the market there and get some momentum.
I don't personally own a Vita, but I would like to see it succeed.
Damn. You would think they would be able to drop the price since its obvious they used cheaper components.
Sorry for the ignorance on this topic.
vivftp
Member
It's coming out in multiple colours with a better battery, slightly better button design and a standardised micro USB port. Plus it's thinner and lighter. The LCD screen will be judged on its own merits once it's in the consumers hands, but I wouldn't be surprised if it's superior to the OLED for outdoor use at the very least.
chickdigger802
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its weird a year ago, if you don't have a ps3 or any console system, the vita had a pretty damn strong lineup.
Now... there barely are any games and for the future, it's true potential rests with you owning a ps4.
Are there any big titles for vita announced for 2014?
Is gravity daze 2 vita exclusive?
Now... there barely are any games and for the future, it's true potential rests with you owning a ps4.
Are there any big titles for vita announced for 2014?
Is gravity daze 2 vita exclusive?
ChronotriggerJM
Member
I think Sony really needs a couple bottles of lighting to skew public interest. Not having its own monster hunter/ pokemon is definitely hurting adoption.
That's odd when I go to buy this it's 19.99 hmm.
ArtHands
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The new Vita is coming out 2 days before Pokemon X and Y in Japan. Whatever bump it has wouldn't last longer than the price cut earlier in the year.
Sony's site is jacked up. If you follow through clicking the 'Buy' button on the linked page, it takes you to TNT Racers, which is $3.99. Somehow the Tactics Ogre page is linked to TNT Racers, and pulling the price from it.
VitaTV will come to the US and the UK did you really expect them to launch a system in the same month as the PS4 in the states? Even with that not in mind have you notice they haven't exactly said they will be launching the 2000 Vita in the US but you can be assured that it will come to the state's "As for the other color's that's a different story". My thoughts are that they will announce VitaTv during CES with the remodel Vita
Your right I had to do a search after I landed on the TNT Racers page. Argh I was really excited too.
vivftp
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Same here. CES is the most logical place to announce such a thing given the timing of everything that's going on. I do wonder if they'll have any TVs with Vita TV built into it this soon though.
It would be nice to see a Vita tablet too, but even if they are making one I wouldn't expect to see it at least until E3. The Vita phone continues to be a dream of mine... hope they do some major overhauls to Vita OS to make this a reality sooner rather than later.
Nightengale
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No, but I will say that they're doing a decent job at trying to turn-it-around, taking into considerations limitations.
From the pricing side, they've reduced the console/memory card price a little bit. Not a significant drop, but it's a decent.
From a hardware standpoint, VitaTV has huge potential. Effective marketing & product positioning will determine whether or not it can become more than a niche device, but I honestly think it has great potential to sell well in US/EU/Asia.
From a first-party software standpoint, 2013 is okay, but it's thankfully buoyed by a rich support of indie games and some Japanese 3rd-party exclusives. I'm looking forward to 2014 though, OreShika2, Freedom Wars, Gravity Daze 2, SS : Delta, etc. I'm not expecting anything from the western devs, but that's kind of to be expected.
3rd-party is a mixed bag. There's no megatons, but games like Toukiden, GE2, Phantasy Star Nova, Danganronpa, etc shows that there is still strong mid-tier support for PSVita in Japan, and Sony needs to really support the marketing of these games to prove to the bigger dudes at the 3DS camp to give something to Vita too. Sony needs to make sure those efforts sustain themselves in 2014+.
From a integration perspective, Remote Play and future Gaikai is already good moves. If anything else, Sony should introduce system-level APIs that allow for Vita to become a PS3/PS4 controller with little or no extra developer effort.
They've not turned it around, but Sony's done a commendable job for Vita this year imo, with the exception of moneyhatting.
From the pricing side, they've reduced the console/memory card price a little bit. Not a significant drop, but it's a decent.
From a hardware standpoint, VitaTV has huge potential. Effective marketing & product positioning will determine whether or not it can become more than a niche device, but I honestly think it has great potential to sell well in US/EU/Asia.
From a first-party software standpoint, 2013 is okay, but it's thankfully buoyed by a rich support of indie games and some Japanese 3rd-party exclusives. I'm looking forward to 2014 though, OreShika2, Freedom Wars, Gravity Daze 2, SS : Delta, etc. I'm not expecting anything from the western devs, but that's kind of to be expected.
3rd-party is a mixed bag. There's no megatons, but games like Toukiden, GE2, Phantasy Star Nova, Danganronpa, etc shows that there is still strong mid-tier support for PSVita in Japan, and Sony needs to really support the marketing of these games to prove to the bigger dudes at the 3DS camp to give something to Vita too. Sony needs to make sure those efforts sustain themselves in 2014+.
From a integration perspective, Remote Play and future Gaikai is already good moves. If anything else, Sony should introduce system-level APIs that allow for Vita to become a PS3/PS4 controller with little or no extra developer effort.
They've not turned it around, but Sony's done a commendable job for Vita this year imo, with the exception of moneyhatting.
Smiles and Cries
Member
will we still be able to buy the OLED version early into the next year (New)"?
I mean is the OLED not a good selling point anymore? that was mostly why I really wanted one for my PS4
I mean is the OLED not a good selling point anymore? that was mostly why I really wanted one for my PS4
The non-OLED version is currently Japan only.
jeremy1456
Junior Member
If a port of a five year old game that has released/is releasing on three other systems well before coming to the Vita is your best arguing point then the system is in deep shit.
ThoughtsOfSpeaking
Banned
I dont give a shit how it does on the mass market. Thats sonys problem, not mine. Im happy with my Vita which is more than I could say a year ago.
Well shouldn't you care to some degree? If you want Sony or anyone else to continue to support it with new games, you should at least care a little whether or not its making everyone money. Unless you are fine with just the games you already own.
That move, seems to me, like a way for Capcom to skirt its exclusivity agreement with Nintendo.
Technically, they are releasing a port of a very old game, not a new title in the series. This may not have been stipulated in Nintendo's contract.