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[Blackleg-sanji1]

Am i missing something here? Are They taking the psn classics you guys bought on your PS3 away from you when they release them for ps4? This outrage(that has no concrete info behind it until official) seems silly and just makes gamers look freaking silly. You paid your money for a psn classin on ps3. Its on your ps3 so you can play it anytime you want to play. So now they have a different plan for ps4 they wanted to add trophies,hd rez etc and charge. If you bought a game already that they put up on there don't freaking get it. To much gets blown up for nothing

 

[RPGCrazied]

I knew it wouldn't. Oh well.

 

[onQ123]

If you got the new version for free, they wouldn't say PS2 Clasics aren't compatible. Sony wouldn't need a disclaimer to explain something that didn't matter to anyone. They'd just say purchases would be available on multiple platforms, and what features worked on which system.

The language is very clear, the only hope is that it's old boilerplate from before the MS 360 BC announcement... which is very unlikely.

If they didn't say it there would be people wondering why they can't play the PS2 Classics they have on PS3 on PS4.

Think about it the games are being packaged with new enhancements why would they let people think that every PS game there got on PS3 is going to magically have trophies when they haven't assigned trophies to these games yet?

 

[Kwansu Dudes]

They should've gotten rid of crossplay for PS consoles so people would happily repurchase the same game for different consoles.

Why not wait until Saturday when they might have more info? This premature reaction shit usually leads nowhere and isn't constructive.

 

[Ingueferroque]

No classics support? Really?

 

[Apath]

Not surprising, but disappointing none the less.

 

[Kayant]

Yet another SonyGAF 180.

Gaf just keeps on giving today huh.

Can see why they want to charge for it given it's emulator + enchantments but still PS2 classics DD not being compatible feels a bit wrong here. They should at very least offer a discount/small upgrade fee for owners of PS2 classics.

 

[foolishoptimist]

But that's exactly what Nintendo does right now with Wii VC ---> Wii U VC

But, is there any differences between those versions?

 

[Elios83]

Gaf just keeps on giving today huh.

Can see why they want to charge for it given it's emulator + enchantments but still PS2 classics DD not being compatible feels a bit wrong here. They should at very least offer a discount/small upgrade fee for owners of PS2 classics.

That is not out of question at the moment.

 

[Dragon]

But that's exactly what Nintendo does right now with Wii VC ---> Wii U VC

What part of the game is modified on the Wii U VC?

I'm not defending this practice, if this is indeed what Sony goes with, I just don't think the situations are directly comparable. The PS2 version of Persona 4 and the PS4 - PS2 Classic with upres and trophies will be two different SKUs if we go with the insane way Sony organizes their online store.

I still think Sony will say oh you own this version? You get the PS4 version for free, just based on their history with cross buy. I can't think they've sold a ton of PS2 classics, they haven't been supported as well and long as the PS1 versions and they're only compatible on one platform compared to the three that the PS1 versions are.

Maybe it's wishful thinking, *shrug*.

 

[cheesekao]

Gaf just keeps on giving today huh.

Can see why they want to charge for it given it's emulator + enchantments but still PS2 classics DD not being compatible feels a bit wrong here. They should at very least offer a discount/small upgrade fee for owners of PS2 classics.

There is no confirmation of this being true as of now.

 

[jay]

So it's not backwards compatibility, it's Sony selling old games.

 

[boredandlazy]

Yet another SonyGAF 180.

Would you mind extrapolating on that statement?

 

[Jigorath]

What part of the game is modified on the Wii U VC?

I'm not defending this practice, if this is indeed what Sony goes with, I just don't think the situations are directly comparable. The PS2 version of Persona 4 and the PS4 - PS2 Classic with upres and trophies will be two different SKUs if we go with the insane way Sony organizes their online store.

I still think Sony will say oh you own this version? You get the PS4 version for free, just based on their history with cross buy. I can't think they've sold a ton of PS2 classics, they haven't been supported as well and long as the PS1 versions and they're only compatible on one platform compared to the three that the PS1 versions are.

Maybe it's wishful thinking, *shrug*.

That's what I'm hoping for. Would make this situation a lot less annoying.

 

[Blackleg-sanji1]

There is no confirmation of this being true as of now.

This entire thread is premature as all hell. Lol it could be much better or much worst we dont know yet. It's going to be funny if it was only for certain titles or something tho. I don't care either way but its some quotable stuff in here if t isn't to bad

 

[Xbudz]

PS4 is not backwards compatible then.

Hopes crushed. Would have been awesome.

 

[BennyBlanco]

But, is there any differences between those versions?

Yes.

What part of the game is modified on the Wii U VC?

I'm not defending this practice, if this is indeed what Sony goes with, I just don't think the situations are directly comparable. The PS2 version of Persona 4 and the PS4 - PS2 Classic with upres and trophies will be two different SKUs if we go with the insane way Sony organizes their online store.

I still think Sony will say oh you own this version? You get the PS4 version for free, just based on their history with cross buy. I can't think they've sold a ton of PS2 classics, they haven't been supported as well and long as the PS1 versions and they're only compatible on one platform compared to the three that the PS1 versions are.

Wii U VC games have customizable controls, save states, GamePad support, Miiverse support, smoothing options for older games, and probably some other stuff that's slipping my mind. $1 to upgrade from Wii -> Wii U. If Sony does something like that I would be happy.

 

[charlequin]

has it been stated it's probably because of the trophy support and that each game has to have an emulator customized for it to implement them and the other enhancements?

I mean, there's no technical barrier whatsoever to having PS2 Classics work, so it was Sony's choice to just reinvent HD remasters instead of actually providing even digital BC.

What's stopping them from doing it the way Xbox does it? If you put the disc in, you get access to the digital version.

Nothing.

Am i missing something here?

A self-interested, non-corporate perspective?

 

[BocoDragon]

Wasn't expecting it for discs. If you have discs at this point, you probably have a player of some sort. Would it be nice? Oh yes. But the PS4 already seems inadequate as an "it plays everything" player. No music CDs, no PS3, etc.

Now PS2 classics? I think that's a little bunk. Even if they aren't the same executable, they should give you cross buy...

 

[Shpeshal Nick]

Well, that's disappointing. Was really thinking they would honor PS3 digital purchases of the PS1 and PS2 games like they usually tended to do with crossbuy.

Digital PS1 and PS2 purchases should be honored Sony. What are you thinking?

If we weren't going to get disc support, then cross-buy should have been a minimum. Ridiculous. I'll just keep buying on PS3. I'd prefer not to have the trophy support truth be known.

 

[secretanchitman]

Does not surprise me in the slightest. Somehow they can emulate PS2 games on a PS3 no problem (cell architecture) but on PS4 it's an issue? Discs I can sort of understand but digital titles you bought on PSN? Seriously...don't pull a Nintendo and have your userbase rebuy the same fucking game every generation.

Cross-buy is a great initiative and it would be awesome to see it carry over to PS1/PS2 (PS3 is too complex to emulate, wait for an eventual remaster/port, or just get a cheap PS3 unit).

 

[Kayant]

That is not out of question at the moment.

There is no confirmation of this being true as of now.

I guess so we will see in a bit.

 

[XanaviF30]

This is disappointing to see. Was expecting better news from all this...

 

[888]

So the PS4 continues to be the place to rebuy all of our old games again.. Even MS wasn't that low with xbox 360 backwards compatibility licenses.

 

[charlequin]

So it's not backwards compatibility, it's Sony selling old games.

It's 2008 calling with this crazy newfangled idea called HD remasters.

So the PS4 continues to be the place to rebuy all of our old games again.. Even MS wasn't that low with xbox 360 backwards compatibility licenses.

I guess this is a good reminder to all of us at how all companies will invent new ways to be crummy once they're in a position of success.

 

[enemy2k]

No classics is bullshit. Let me use all of those classics I bought on PSN.

 

[Jack The Nipper]

Am i missing something here? Are They taking the psn classics you guys bought on your PS3 away from you when they release them for ps4? This outrage(that has no concrete info behind it until official) seems silly and just makes gamers look freaking silly. You paid your money for a psn classin on ps3. Its on your ps3 so you can play it anytime you want to play. So now they have a different plan for ps4 they wanted to add trophies,hd rez etc and charge. If you bought a game already that they put up on there don't freaking get it. To much gets blown up for nothing

So let's piss them off so they wont buy any classics on ps4?

I agree with you on waiting though. Hopefully they change the policy before it's official.

 

[androvsky]

I mean, there's no technical barrier whatsoever to having PS2 Classics work, so it was Sony's choice to just reinvent HD remasters instead of actually providing even digital BC.

Nothing.


A self-interested, non-corporate perspective?

How much you want to bet not a single journalist asks on record any Sony executive about lack of disc support at PSX?

 

[Big Green Anus]

We need to make Sony great again!

 

[Blackleg-sanji1]

I mean, there's no technical barrier whatsoever to having PS2 Classics work, so it was Sony's choice to just reinvent HD remasters instead of actually providing even digital BC.



Nothing.



A self-interested, non-corporate perspective?

Nope not obligated to carry over games. I mean it sucks and i feel for people who bought plenty. But im not going go "lol arrogant sony is back" and compare them to he competition.

 

[jsnepo]

When you're on top, the only way to go is down.

 

[TheSpoiler]

So the PS4 continues to be the place to rebuy all of our old games again.. Even MS wasn't that low with xbox 360 backwards compatibility licenses.

Really, it comes down to how they want to make an ecosystem but also make money. PSNow is this great rental thing I can use on all my Sony products, but if I don't partake in anything BUT the PS4, I'm limited, and I certainly don't get a discount on the games I already own.

If this is all true, Classics finally arrive to the PS4 with uprezzing and trophies, but I have to pay for them again even if I own them originally.

The disc thing makes sense, but when it comes to BC, Sony is playing this weird step-forward-step-backward-and-maybe-back-again.

 

[charlequin]

But im not going go "lol arrogant sony is back" and compare them to he competition.

You are literally in a discussion about a feature which is qualitatively less good than the one recently announced by the competition, it's like the most basic possible analysis to compare them.

 

[Blackleg-sanji1]

So let's piss them off so they wont buy any classics on ps4?

I agree with you on waiting though. Hopefully they change the policy before it's official.

Yea i mean i agree with yall but for now like you said we gotta wait. Jumping the gun does nothing

 

[jj984jj]

Seriously? Not even the classics we bought/rebought on PS3 are cross-buy?

 

[Blackleg-sanji1]

You are literally in a discussion about a feature which is qualitatively less good than the one recently announced by the competition, it's like the most basic possible analysis to compare them.

I can't compare what's not official. Whem it gets announced I'll join the angry train. But i like to wait things out

 

[Dragon]

Wii U VC games have customizable controls, save states, GamePad support, Miiverse support, smoothing options for older games, and probably some other stuff that's slipping my mind. $1 to upgrade from Wii -> Wii U. If Sony does something like that I would be happy.

Oh cool. So this seems like a similar level of added value. Being able to remote play PS2 RPGs on my Vita is one of the biggest deals for me.

 

[foolishoptimist]

Wii U VC games have customizable controls, save states, GamePad support, Miiverse support, smoothing options for older games, and probably some other stuff that's slipping my mind. $1 to upgrade from Wii -> Wii U. If Sony does something like that I would be happy.

What exactly do the "save states" and "Miiverse support" entail? They all sound like global emulator features/settings, as apposed to modifications made on a game by game basis.

 

[LiquidMetal14]

Im goi g to buy every major game I want because I don't own the games anymore and want the PSN benefits of cloud saving and higher res. This, to me, supplants even what they did by bringing basic PS1 emulation to PS2/3. So if it's sharp and good, I'm all in.

I've bought games I even physically own on PSN so this ire (by some) is somewhat more over the top than I would have ever expected.

Either way, if Dark Cloud is coming, I'm getting it.

 

[mrjohill]

Y'all should wait for the official announcement

 

[Zakkath]

But greatness awaits...

 

[Shpeshal Nick]

When you're on top, the only way to go is down.

This is why its probably better that Nintendo, Microsoft and Sony stay in the business to keep each other as honest as possible.

Each of them over the journey has shown they can be complete fucking assholes once in a position of dominance.

 

[TheSpoiler]

Yes.



Wii U VC games have customizable controls, save states, GamePad support, Miiverse support, smoothing options for older games, and probably some other stuff that's slipping my mind. $1 to upgrade from Wii -> Wii U. If Sony does something like that I would be happy.

Man, most of that shit would be cool.

Customizable controls would be great, although they'd probably justify you doing it in the PS4 options thing.
GamePad support obviously wouldn't work, but Vita streaming would.
Miiverse support would need to be community support (still wouldn't be as fun, but hey, it'd help).
Smoothing options would have to be an HD on/off style toggle.
Save states should work with the touch of the, well, touchpad. Couple that with the suspend function and that's a great deal of value right there.

But the upgrade for cheap is what I'm hoping they'll do. So many Classics I don't want going to waste. Dynamite Deka/Die Hard got a PS2 remake, and it's fantastic. If they do this on all accounts along with US and EU, and the above, I could see it being worth the effort they put in and getting some return on their part.

What exactly do the "save states" and "Miiverse support" entail? They all sound like global emulator features/settings, as apposed to modifications made on a game by game basis.

They are still direct modifications from the original experience. Despite their simplicity, it's a great amount of value added when you can have a focus group of people to discuss the best way to beat a dungeon in Dark Cloud, then save state before a possible shitty run.

The point is, these Classics need more value than their original counterparts, either using the system's means or using newly Incorporated ones.

 

[Willy Wanka]

Disappointed but expected news about discs but I am pretty surprised about PS2 classics. Either way, no discs means I'm out.

 

[androvsky]

What exactly do the "save states" and "Miiverse support" entail? They all sound like global emulator features/settings, as apposed to modifications made on a game by game basis.

HD support isn't a game by game issue on a good emulator, and no one expects trophies for disc games. No reason to require trophies for digital classics either, there's native PS4 games that don't have trophies. Sony could patch them in later or make them DLC, I don't really care.

 

[Jawbreaker]

Sony's really working for that good will here, huh? This isn't a good look for them at all if it turns out to be definitive.

 

[Led_Zeppelin]

Just seeing this. God damn it. Then I will never buy a PS2 Classic again or a PS3 classic on the PS5 and so on I am not buying a game 2-3-4 times only because my previous purchases will never carry over. So you know what Sony screw you.

 

[hamchan]

This is really disappointing. Especially with how they've handled cross platform digital games before with their PS1 classics working across the PSP, PS3 and Vita. This reduces my confidence in buying from their digital marketplace now.

 

[meanspartan]

Think I'll wait for the actual announce and details on this. I'd be surprised if there wasn't some element of crossbuy to this though.

Also, lol at anyone who thought discs was ever going to happen.

I didn't expect it to happen, but why the fuck not? Ps2 discs are DvDs. PCSX2 on my PC can play Ps2 games directly off the disc and upscale them to several times the original resolution.

And I don't have some super high end system. I was doing this years ago on my 2010 AMD Cpu and a Radeon 7850, and got 60fps easy on most games.

 

[Jack The Nipper]

For now I got gamers backs, not Sony's on this issue. We aren't rich half of us barely have a suit and tie.

We want to buy more games of course but I have been a part of this corporate world.

I have ever been to dinners, jade laced buildings for rich powerful companies and trust me guys. They spend a ton of money just showing they have money.

Don't give Inro corporations. Back your fellow gamer here.