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[Raistlin]

I can get a wifi usb for 10 bucks. They should cut that off.

And so can they ... actually, I would assume its even less than that.

Unfortunately, the GS ... its more.

 

[Shogmaster]

And so can they ... actually, I would assume its even less than that.

Unfortunately, the GS ... its more.

GS itself's gotta be pretty cheap by now (less than $10 per @ 10,000+ quantities). It's the mobo complexity that it creates sitting by it's lonesome they are nixing by getting rid of the GS. That pic someone posted of the Euro mobo shows crazy complex trace paths to and from the GS to the other components.

 

[bigswords]

I thought of you the instant this showed up in the news. Did they announce PS1 compatibility. It just says no PS2 compatibility.

I'd vote your in the clear if we got a poll on your ban.

PS1 games on the PSN should be fine, he's right

 

[Moderation Unlimited]

GS itself's gotta be pretty cheap by now (less than $10 per @ 10,000+ quantities). It's the mobo complexity that it creates sitting by it's lonesome they are nixing by getting rid of the GS. That pic someone posted of the Euro mobo shows crazy complex trace paths to and from the GS to the other components.

This is not exactly true. The GS, in stand alone form, is a piece of proprietary legacy technology that's probably getting more expensive to produce as time goes on. Technology costs downward trends have a plateau and then they actually become more expensive to produce again because of dedication of resources to a much lower volume product.

Remember, the stand alone GS's that are being used in 80 GB ps3s are ones found in PS2's produced along time ago before the integration of EE+GS on one chip. They may be using a 100+ nm process that is costly.

 

[Shogmaster]

This is not exactly true. The GS, in stand alone form, is a piece of proprietary legacy technology that's probably getting more expensive to produce as time goes on. Technology costs downward trends have a plateau and then they actually become more expensive to produce again because of dedication of resources to a much lower volume product.

Remember, the stand alone GS's that are being used in 80 GB ps3s are ones found in PS2's produced along time ago before the integration of EE+GS on one chip. They may be using a 100+ nm process that is costly.

Are you fucking kidding? They may be using the same 180nm original chips? Shit, then Sony deserves all this.

 

[Fatghost]

Sony was using the original GS chips in the 80 GB PS3??

Really? Shocking.

 

[Moderation Unlimited]

Are you fucking kidding? They may be using the same 180nm original chips? Shit, then Sony deserves all this.

Well they're not going to spend precious time, money, and effort to go through with the painful process of doing a die shrink just for a legacy bc chip.

The standalone GS may have not been efficient to produce, but it's still likely less to produce per chip than the EE+GS combo. I'm Guessing $30 (EE+GS) vs. $15-$20 (GS standalone).

Saving 10 to 15 dollars a unit in a mass production environment is like a god sent. That's why they did it in the first place.

And yeah...here's proof that they in fact did do this. The pic on the left with the sad face is the 60 GB PS3 dissected with the EE+GS included. The pic on the right with the ghetto black blob is the Euro PS3 without full hardware BC. It clearly has the oldschool Black Blob GS in the place of the EE+GS chip. Remember, Sony also didn't have to include the now expensive 32 mb of proprietary rambus ram for the EE once they removed that.