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PS3: Firmware 1.50 Is Up For U.S. Systems (BC Image Quality = Better)
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The problem everyone was complaining about (and showing screenshots of) was not vertical but horizontal broken scaling, and wasn't interlacing related at all.ManaByte said:
That said, I've no idea what I should be seeing in your shot - got any "correct" shot in the same pose?
Ignatz Mouse
Banned
Ah the internet-- where a problem one must point out to a person = something not working at all.
OK, there's an issue-- how does this equate to BC "not working" again?
OK, there's an issue-- how does this equate to BC "not working" again?
f@luS
More than a member.
seriously we have finally the best BC so far of any system.
Xbox is crap , half of my games arent working.
Wii is cool , but still annoying to have to put the GC controller , and GC memory card every time ....and if u want to boot on a GC game u still have to use the wiimote to launch it.
On ps3 we have a good BC with Virtual memory card and we can use the same controller
that rox
Xbox is crap , half of my games arent working.
Wii is cool , but still annoying to have to put the GC controller , and GC memory card every time ....and if u want to boot on a GC game u still have to use the wiimote to launch it.
On ps3 we have a good BC with Virtual memory card and we can use the same controller
that rox
Crazymoogle
Member
Hmm, loaded up FF12...I guess I need to do some more comparison between PS2/PS3 later as I can't say I've found anything particularly wrong yet. Ingame actually looked a bit clearer than I'm use to, though I'm probably just going to file that under TV settings for the moment.
MGS3 didn't look particularly blurry, but something seemed odd. Could be nothing. There was a single line horizontal issue on the konami logo. I need to spend some time rebooting and comparing between systems, I guess...
MGS3 didn't look particularly blurry, but something seemed odd. Could be nothing. There was a single line horizontal issue on the konami logo. I need to spend some time rebooting and comparing between systems, I guess...
Beer Monkey
Member
Are they offering 480i over HDMI, so that you can have your set do the deinterlacing if you wish?
Either way, awesome news.
Is there any perceptible lag?
Either way, awesome news.
Is there any perceptible lag?
To anyone who uses an LCD HDTV I seriously do not understand how you can be excited about this update.
Think about it:
PlayStation and PlayStation 2 games (and DVDs) were designed to be played on direct-view CRT TVs.
When you play a PS1 or PS2 (or DVD) on an LCD HDTV, the image gets SCALED to the LCD's display resolution of 768p.
So, you're taking a 480i or 480p image and SCALING it all the way up to 768p. It's gonna look like sh*t. It's gonna mutilate the image. It's not supposed to look like that. You know what I'm saying?
So... I'll tell you this: A PS1 or PS2 game (or DVD) will look BETTER on my dusty 6 year old 14" flat screen direct-view CRT TV through component, than on the latest and greatest LCD HDTV.
For the serious videophile, the only way a PS2 game will look good on an LCD HDTV is if it outputs in high definition (720p).
Edit:
IMHO, for the serious videophile (using an LCD HDTV) -- for the image/picture quality purists -- this update will make PS1/PS2 games go from "sh*t" to "eh".
Think about it:
PlayStation and PlayStation 2 games (and DVDs) were designed to be played on direct-view CRT TVs.
When you play a PS1 or PS2 (or DVD) on an LCD HDTV, the image gets SCALED to the LCD's display resolution of 768p.
So, you're taking a 480i or 480p image and SCALING it all the way up to 768p. It's gonna look like sh*t. It's gonna mutilate the image. It's not supposed to look like that. You know what I'm saying?
So... I'll tell you this: A PS1 or PS2 game (or DVD) will look BETTER on my dusty 6 year old 14" flat screen direct-view CRT TV through component, than on the latest and greatest LCD HDTV.
For the serious videophile, the only way a PS2 game will look good on an LCD HDTV is if it outputs in high definition (720p).
Edit:
IMHO, for the serious videophile (using an LCD HDTV) -- for the image/picture quality purists -- this update will make PS1/PS2 games go from "sh*t" to "eh".
Ignatz Mouse said:
There was actually someone in another thread who said "i wish Sony did BC like microsoft"!
I had to walk away. Even when the games looked cludgy, they still ran accurately and smoothly. There was never a comparison.
But now that the issue has been fixed (or band-aid'd), I wonder how that poster would respond.
Diablohead
Member
If your tv is a lcd its possible that the 720x360 image is being scaled over twice the ammount of pixels and could cause a little jag her and there.
They have done a huge improvement with ps2's bc and hell theres probably going to be a lot of updates to come.
They have done a huge improvement with ps2's bc and hell theres probably going to be a lot of updates to come.
Beer Monkey
Member
f@luS said:
I can't agree with that at all. SD->HD scaling on most sets does create an image that looks worse than on a CRT (both viewed at a proper distance). It totally depends on the scaler.
Ignatz Mouse
Banned
beermonkey@tehbias said:
I feel quite fortunate to have happened to buy a projector with a good scaler, even though I did zero research on that aspect beforehand.
It also means that DVDs don't look too bad, unless they're just plain encoded badly.
Mana Knight
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QFT.DarienA said:
Why don't you just sell your PS3 since you never seem to be happy with it.ManaByte said:
As far as I know, I'm not noticing any other major issue. The only problem I have is not being able to play DDR with my pad, Taiko Drum, and Guitar Hero yet, but oh well, at least I can play most all my PS2 games on PS3 right, without worrying.
Thanks Sony.
MickeyKnox
Member
What a wonderful surprise/
The update was fast as hell too, 20sec download, installed in less than a minute.
The update was fast as hell too, 20sec download, installed in less than a minute.
ManaByte said:Um, I think they ****ed up FFXII with this update...
If you set FFXII to 16:9 mode, it only takes up half of the screen on a 16:9 TV:
This pisses me off. I was waiting for this update to play FFXII but if I want to play it I need to do it with the top 1/3 of the screen cut off.
Wtf, please tell me that you know cut scenes in FF12 aren't full screen right? You have played the game right? You are more intelligent than you make it sound right?
There's still a little bit of blacks on top and bottom depends on games because PS2 games usually don't run at full 640x480 res. But any ****ing developer with some brain can guess why that's happening.
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
Banned
YAYYY!!!!
Now all we need is the damn PS2/PS3 Controller Adapter to release and im all set
Now all we need is the damn PS2/PS3 Controller Adapter to release and im all set
BenjaminBirdie
Banned
BuddyC said:
No pun intended!
:lol
Sorry. I'm having a Borscht Belt kind of morning.
ManaByte said:Um, I think they ****ed up FFXII with this update...
If you set FFXII to 16:9 mode, it only takes up half of the screen on a 16:9 TV:
This pisses me off. I was waiting for this update to play FFXII but if I want to play it I need to do it with the top 1/3 of the screen cut off.
Edit: And the ****ing vertical interlacing problem is STILL THERE. All they did was add what looks like a blur filter to cloud it a bit, but it is DEFINITELY THERE. You can especially notice it when the screen is moving; still pictures make it more difficult to notice.
That's your TV. Sorry. Hope you can fix it in the service menu.
The other problem l(see corrupted Squeenix logo) looked more like a framebuffer deswizzling problem and it is FIXED. They are also probably using the PS3 hardware to filter the image to fill the whole screen, which accounts for the softness. In the situation where the game was using field rendering and the game needs to upconvert to 480p over HDMI, there's really not much else they can do but have the thing comb, or make the picture really really soft, neither of which are really appealing on a progressive display.
Edit: lollerskates if the problem really is the fact that those cutscenes never did fill up the whole scene...
Oh, about the image "shift" thing, even on my SD TV (and playing it on a PS2) some games that have 16:9 cutscenes have more black bar on the bottom than on the top. It's been a while since I sat down with FFXII so I can't remember if it was one that did that, but I'm thinking it was. I never really thought about it that much since the display, when actually playing the game, was centered fine.
mentalfloss
Banned
lol
When it rains good news for Sony, it really pours. I didn't even know about this issue (don't have a PS3) but it seems like everyone's attitude should be more like: 'it's about damn time, Sony', rather than 'haaaaaaaaaaaleluiah.'
When it rains good news for Sony, it really pours. I didn't even know about this issue (don't have a PS3) but it seems like everyone's attitude should be more like: 'it's about damn time, Sony', rather than 'haaaaaaaaaaaleluiah.'
Ignatz Mouse
Banned
JB1981 said:
Didn't you hear? PS3 BC doesn't work, because the games look like they are from one or two generations back.
Chris Remo
Member
Silly that this wasn't sorted at launch, but boy am I glad it's here now!
EDIT: I suppose it's too much to ask for the general non-BC resolution issues to have been fixed? Or have they already?
EDIT: I suppose it's too much to ask for the general non-BC resolution issues to have been fixed? Or have they already?
Ignatz Mouse
Banned
mentalfloss said:
Or howabout-- oh, no big probelm in the first place, glad they fixed it.
Really, the issue was overblown to begin with.
I can think of several things I'd rather they enhance or fix that matter more to me.
Diablohead
Member
DVD spins faster in ps3, go figureReilly said:
Chris Remo
Member
This was a huge issue for me. I play far more PS2 games than PS3 games at this point, and my PS2 and PS3 are two of my three biggest consoles, making it something of a pain to keep them both hooked up simultaneously. I'm really glad to be able to confidently toss the PS2 at this point.Ignatz Mouse said:
Except that I still haven't played Guitar Hero 2. Shit.
Effulgence
Member
PS2 and PS1 graphics are so bad i couldn't tell the difference between running on PS3 and PS2 to begin with.
I got the update but haven't tested it ... all my US PS2 games are in San Diego
But my download speed kind of sucks, I think it must be my router settings because my friend's downloads go as fast as hell. Does anyone know a thread that has advice about improving PS3 wireless download speed?
Also, huzzah!
But my download speed kind of sucks, I think it must be my router settings because my friend's downloads go as fast as hell. Does anyone know a thread that has advice about improving PS3 wireless download speed?
Also, huzzah!
beermonkey@tehbias said:
I have mine hooked up with HDMI/DVI...no lag, but no 480i. I don't think HDMI can carry an interlaced signal, can it?
As for this fix...I only had time this morning to try out Street Fighter 3. SF3 on PS3 looks like SF3 on my Xbox1 running at 480p, except with the odd frame where you can see the orginal interlacing. (Look at things like the dust on the ground during a dash, or the first few frames of a parry).
Otherwise, looks awesome. Very clean, very smooth, yet sharper than on the PS2. Before, there were noticeable scaling artifacts, particularly when the image was stretched to wide screen. That has now been fixed.
The pics of FF12 also look very much improved.
It's not that far off from what the Xbox360 does at this point: X360 takes the Xbox1 games, scales them to 720p and applies AA or some other filter to smooth it out (which can result in some washed out graphics for some titles like Shenmue II). PS3 outputs 480p with some filter now, your TV does the scaling to 720p/1080i/1080p...for most TVs, this is going to produce a similar image when all is said and done.
X360 just benefits from the fact Xbox1 games look on average a generation better than PS2 games when it comes to image quality.
But PS3's near perfect compatibility and now this fix make it the BC feature to beat. MS better have a monster update coming soon.
KTallguy said:I got the update but haven't tested it ... all my US PS2 games are in San Diego
But my download speed kind of sucks, I think it must be my router settings because my friend's downloads go as fast as hell. Does anyone know a thread that has advice about improving PS3 wireless download speed?
Also, huzzah!
You should put your PS3 in the DMZ in the router configuration. If that improves the speed, then you can go deeper and set up port forwarding. If it doesn't affect it, then its the servers or someone is hogging bandwidth on your network.