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[DSXBoy]

First of all, in no way has the UK anywhere near sold out of PS3's, I work in a town center and every shop that sales games has huge signs outside saying they have them available today I saw PS3 in stock signs outside Argos, game station, HMV and Woolworths, all the retailers have them and are pushing them big time.

BUT 30k sales for one week in the UK is VERY good! thats what 90k units a month! What was last months US sales? 127k? in a country with a population 4 or 5 times bigger maybe more? All the desperate fans could have got one on the first day/week so to get 30k units in the following week is very impressive imo!

30k sales in a 2nd week after launch which happens to coincide with most peoples pay day is not good.

Let me help the Sony Defence Force. There was a hitch in the BACS salary payment system, 400000 workers did not receive their salaries last Friday, March 30 - payment was delayed till Monday April 2.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/6508791.stm

These potential PS3 owners could not buy the console last week. Sales should be much better this week as it's Easter Weekend and everyone should have been paid their wages.

 

[Hcoregamer00]

:lol :lol :lol

Third millenium strategy .

Ferrari's don't need to sell well to be considered a hot item.

That is what Sony is going after.

They want to be the Ferrari that everyone wants but can't afford, while everyone is buying the Toyota (Nintendo) and the Chevy (Microsoft) because it is closer to their price range.

 

[plagiarize]

I hate Sony more than you, but your "facts" are retarded. Sony sold 600K in Europe first week of that 1 million.

erm, he was talking about the US and Japan launches... saying they weren't 'good' from the point of view that supply was much less than promised.

 

[Mariah Carey]

I don't believe we have enough data to accurately represent a trend just yet.

And unfortunately, we are probably never going to have enough data to do that.

I mean, do any of us even really have any idea how much the 360 has sold in Europe?

 

[InterMoniker]

So are you saying that Sony doesn't want to sell consoles? :-\

No I'm not saying that they don't want to sell consoles, I'm saying that they're losing money per console. Right now ATM Sony selling a lot of consoles is not making them any profit, they're losing money.

After they get over the hump and start turning around profit PS3's should be more available.

 

[dalyr95]

Well one thing I think Sony have proved is that there is a market for a premium console above $300. MS didn't believe there was one, hence launching at the price they did.
But even they now are trying to edge into that market with the Elite.

As I stated before, HMV/Game are down to their last ~15 units in my part of London/

At the moment, pretty much everything on the PS3 is available on the 360 (Resistance/MotorStorm/F1 being the main exception), but after the summer, you can look at the lineup and see the difference in the main thing that counts; games.

LAIR, Warhawk, HS, Super Rub n Dub(!), MGS4, FF, White Knight, Killzone of the top of my head.

Also Sony seems to be alot more agressive with their cost reduction strategy, according to beyond3D, it looks like the southbridge has moved to 65nm.

I'd say a price cut in time for Thanksgiving 2007 if I was a betting man

 

[mabuza]

And unfortunately, we are probably never going to have enough data to do that.

I mean, do any of us even really have any idea how much the 360 has sold in Europe?

well according to reggie, the 360 aint doing so well in europe:lol

 

[meltpotato]

this thread is well on its way to discussions about drinking ocean water :lol

 

[PistolGrip]

In other Dumb Negative spin:

SpiderMan 3 drops 90 percent of sales after it's first weekend.

Of course PS3 would have a drop. If it kept at the same rate UK they would have sold 20 million by the end of the year in the UK alone. Have you people no logic???

Some of you are nuts seriously

MS 3.2 Billion Viral Marketing budget FTL.

 

[mabuza]

Well one thing I think Sony have proved is that there is a market for a premium console above $300. MS didn't believe there was one, hence launching at the price they did.
But even they now are trying to edge into that market with the Elite.

As I stated before, HMV/Game are down to their last ~15 units in my part of London/

At the moment, pretty much everything on the PS3 is available on the 360 (Resistance/MotorStorm/F1 being the main exception), but after the summer, you can look at the lineup and see the difference in the main thing that counts; games.

LAIR, Warhawk, HS, Super Rub n Dub(!), MGS4, FF, White Knight, Killzone of the top of my head.

Also Sony seems to be alot more agressive with their cost reduction strategy, according to beyond3D, it looks like the southbridge has moved to 65nm.

I'd say a price cut in time for Thanksgiving 2007 if I was a betting man

did you just include ruba dub in that lineup :lol

 

[Naked Snake]

Off topic: I was very surprised to see an ad for PS3 in the local newspaper (I live in Jordan)... I was like "What?! Sony distributors have PS3s in stock and are advertising it?"... This never happened before. I didn't even bother checking for the price as it would probably be $1000 or something.

 

[GhaleonEB]

Wellington Boots. Like Paddington bear wears.

For splashin' around in.

You know? For kids?

:lol

 

[Kosma]

but after the summer, you can look at the lineup and see the difference in the main thing that counts; games.

LAIR, Warhawk, HS, Super Rub n Dub(!), MGS4, FF, White Knight, Killzone of the top of my head.

Ok so you really think MGS4, FF, White Knight and Killzone will make it out this year? :lol I think tell that all 4 will be moved to 2008 for the US and Europe at least.

 

[RubberJohnny]

Ferrari's don't need to sell well to be considered a hot item.

That is what Sony is going after.

They want to be the Ferrari that everyone wants but can't afford, while everyone is buying the Toyota (Nintendo) and the Chevy (Microsoft) because it is closer to their price range.

Doesn't the Ferrari need to offer something that the Chevy does't for that to be true?

 

[reilo]

Haha. I took this quote from another forum:

hmmmm if this is news then we should write stories about how after Thanksgiving theres is a severe drop in turkey sales..

:lol :lol

 

[Mariah Carey]

In other Dumb Negative spin:

SpiderMan 3 drops 90 percent of sales after it's first weekend.

Um, that wouldn't be "dumb negative spin," SpiderMan 3 dropping 90 percent on its second weekend would be a DISASTER.

 

[KINGMOKU]

The system is massively supply-constrained. After the overwhelming success of the European launch, they moved more to NA and Japan because it was so supply-constrained there. That's the only reason why sales are low for the machine anywhere. Sony's constantly shipping them to other regions to make up for the incredible demand.

 

[belvedere]

In other Dumb Negative spin:

SpiderMan 3 drops 90 percent of sales after it's first weekend.

Of course PS3 would have a drop. If it kept at the same rate UK they would have sold 20 million by the end of the year in the UK alone. Have you people no logic???

Some of you are nuts seriously

MS 3.2 Billion Viral Marketing budget FTL.

EXACTLY

Finally, someone who understands.

 

[FirstInHell]

This thread is pathetic. Didn't someone say the Wii dropped 100%? Why do some of you want to see Sony fail anyways I just don't get it. I think the PS3 is selling extremely well considering the lack of games and price point

Plus isn't Sony still losing money on each console? IIRC they're losing about $100 or more per console. If they are losing money per console it's actually good that PS3's aren't selling through the roof!

Sony is in this for the long haul. The Wii seems like it could be only a short time sucsess while Sony is investing in the PS3 and bringing it to us at a reasonable price ATM. In time when more games come out and the PS3's price drops it'll be unstoppable.

That is the most amazing reason anyone has ever given for damage controlling poor sales. Congrats!

 

[plagiarize]

In other Dumb Negative spin:

SpiderMan 3 drops 90 percent of sales after it's first weekend.

Of course PS3 would have a drop. If it kept at the same rate UK they would have sold 20 million by the end of the year in the UK alone. Have you people no logic???

Some of you are nuts seriously

MS 3.2 Billion Viral Marketing budget FTL.

honest question. what would be a bad drop off and what would be a good drop off? percentages please.

Spoiler

my point is that you don't know... nothing more nothing less. also spider-man 2 only dropped off 32% in its second week. 90 percent would be considered catastrophic... not that it's a valid comparison.

 

[bc226]

I hate Sony more than you, but your "facts" are retarded. Sony sold 600K in Europe first week of that 1 million. I should have stated those are NA/Japan launch numbers.

197,000 NA at launch. 80,000 Japan at launch , and that was after they had promised 1 mill per nation. So no i do not think Sony had good launches in either NA or Japan.

 

[stilgar]

Ferrari's don't need to sell well to be considered a hot item.

That is what Sony is going after.

They want to be the Ferrari that everyone wants but can't afford, while everyone is buying the Toyota (Nintendo) and the Chevy (Microsoft) because it is closer to their price range.

I think you're right, but just for a short period .
they just need a period to create the desire for a ferrari that only Vip can afford, then a price drop will make affordable the dream - looked for like a rare neo geo cd , but sold like a nes, that's what they want . But, sometimes consumers don't behave like expected ;-)

 

[ylvis_]

In other Dumb Negative spin:

SpiderMan 3 drops 90 percent of sales after it's first weekend.

Of course PS3 would have a drop. If it kept at the same rate UK they would have sold 20 million by the end of the year in the UK alone. Have you people no logic???

Some of you are nuts seriously

MS 3.2 Billion Viral Marketing budget FTL.

Well a lot of people said last week that the PS3 would for sure win Europe after seeing its opening weekend numbers. The same persons also said the PS3 wouldn't drop as hard as it did in Japan and the US.

 

[Freki]

No I'm not saying that they don't want to sell consoles, I'm saying that they're losing money per console. Right now ATM Sony selling a lot of consoles is not making them any profit, they're losing money.

After they get over the hump and start turning around profit PS3's should be more available.

And how are they supposed to get over this hump without a big enough install base?

I suggest you to read these 2 articles because they could provide a rough overview about the console war!

http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=37771
http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=37773

 

[SouthernDragon]

This thread is pathetic. Didn't someone say the Wii dropped 100%? Why do some of you want to see Sony fail anyways I just don't get it. I think the PS3 is selling extremely well considering the lack of games and price point

Plus isn't Sony still losing money on each console? IIRC they're losing about $100 or more per console. If they are losing money per console it's actually good that PS3's aren't selling through the roof!

Sony is in this for the long haul. The Wii seems like it could be only a short time sucsess while Sony is investing in the PS3 and bringing it to us at a reasonable price ATM. In time when more games come out and the PS3's price drops it'll be unstoppable.

Stop making excuses for the PS3. Developers aren't going to care how well it's doing in relative terms. They care about how well it's doing in absolute terms. They don't give free passes for having a higher price point.

Not to say games won't be made for it, but there certainly will be less.

Now, here's a conundrum. According to you, if they don't sell PS3's, they aren't losing money. But if they don't sell PS3's, they can't feasibly drop the price. So, what are they to do? If they drop the price right now, then they lose more money.

So, what? Are they going to hold on to stock until components drop enough in price to sell at a profit?

No I'm not saying that they don't want to sell consoles, I'm saying that they're losing money per console. Right now ATM Sony selling a lot of consoles is not making them any profit, they're losing money.

After they get over the hump and start turning around profit PS3's should be more available.

Again, if they don't sell consoles, how are they supposed to get over the hump? They have to sell consoles, and at a higher rate.

Ferrari's don't need to sell well to be considered a hot item.

That is what Sony is going after.

They want to be the Ferrari that everyone wants but can't afford, while everyone is buying the Toyota (Nintendo) and the Chevy (Microsoft) because it is closer to their price range.

Guess who sells more cars and makes more of a profit in the end.

Edit: Also, 82% is a rather large drop. Sure, all of them drop. 50% would be expected, in my opinion. But 82%? 30k? I need some context. How much does a console/handheld usually sell per week in the UK?

 

[Count Dookkake]

plagiarize,

Curse you for beating me with the Spiderman 2 drop-off figures.

If Spiderman 2 had an 82% drop-off, it wouldn't have been a hit.

 

[Richelieu]

The thing to remember is that the Wii is still supply constrained after selling > 1 million units (probably closer to 1.5 million) in Europe. PS3 is no longer supply constrained after selling 600K units in Europe. Both Sony and Nintendo will probably claim their “6 million units worldwide” target as being met at the end of their fiscal year. Nintendo could very well have sold that many, but Sony has only really sold < 3 million and there are still plenty sitting around in every region. I realize that we can all say “but wait for the...”, but that didn’t work well for the GameCube (worldwide) or the Playstation 3 (Japan).

You can “ship” a lot of consoles toward the end of a fiscal period to pad the report but eventually the truth will be revealed. This is like when Microsoft “shipped” 10 million consoles by the end of December only to revise their target for June from 15 million to only 12 million. Sony has padded their numbers to look good for this fiscal year, but they will also have to start telling the truth eventually. By December we will see much more comparable numbers as all this padding disappears.

 

[fortified_concept]

In other Dumb Negative spin:

SpiderMan 3 drops 90 percent of sales after it's first weekend.

Of course PS3 would have a drop. If it kept at the same rate UK they would have sold 20 million by the end of the year in the UK alone. Have you people no logic???

Some of you are nuts seriously

MS 3.2 Billion Viral Marketing budget FTL.

You need to replace "weekend" with month to make it sound more convincing. Otherwise the post sums up my feelings perfectly about this pathetic situation with the non-stop antiSony spin nowadays.

 

[Satter]

The light that burns twice as bright burns half as long. And you have burned so very very brightly, Roy.

All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. Time to die.


Best damn movie ever made.

 

[plagiarize]

plagiarize,

Curse you for beating me with the Spiderman 2 drop-off figures.

If Spiderman 2 had an 82% drop-off, it wouldn't have been a hit.

lets not forget that film box office drop offs aren't comparable either though. it was a slightly bizarre comparison to make to say the least.

 

[FirstInHell]

I am trying to determine whether or not all of thse insane rationalizations are serious or joke posts.

So far we have;

-Low sales are a good thing because Sony is losing money on the machine anyway.
-Sony is creating an elite brand identity (like Ferrari) which will cause them to sell a ton when the price is dropped and the poor saps can afford it (all part of the master plan).

Hit me with some more, this is priceless.

 

[the thoroughbred]

*backs up slowly*

I want to leave, but... but I want to watch, too.

I feel your dilemma, I truly do.

 

[Count Dookkake]

The thing to remember is that the Wii is still supply constrained after selling > 1 million units (probably closer to 1.5 million) in Europe. PS3 is no longer supply constrained after selling 600K units in Europe. Both Sony and Nintendo will probably claim their “6 million units worldwide” target as being met at the end of their fiscal year. Nintendo could very well have sold that many, but Sony has only really sold < 3 million and there are still plenty sitting around in every region. I realize that we can all say “but wait for the...”, but that didn’t work well for the GameCube (worldwide) or the Playstation 3 (Japan).

You can “ship” a lot of consoles toward the end of a fiscal period to pad the report but eventually the truth will be revealed. This is like when Microsoft “shipped” 10 million consoles by the end of December only to revise their target for June from 15 million to only 12 million. Sony has padded their numbers to look good for this fiscal year, but they will also have to start telling the truth eventually. By December we will see much more comparable numbers as all this padding disappears.

QFT

This trick of shifting inventory only works once per reporting period. Legally at least. The coming months should be very interesting.

 

[Oblivion]

So now we go from 'omg best launch evar console war am OVAR!" to 'who ever expected it to keep up the momentum anyway?!'

 

[squatingyeti]

In other Dumb Negative spin:

SpiderMan 3 drops 90 percent of sales after it's first weekend.

Of course PS3 would have a drop. If it kept at the same rate UK they would have sold 20 million by the end of the year in the UK alone. Have you people no logic???

Some of you are nuts seriously

MS 3.2 Billion Viral Marketing budget FTL.

I love that people spit out some random number about MS' Viral marketing budget. That tard from Insomniac fires a number out his arse and now it's golden! Guess what, who do you think tries harder and wastes more money on Viral marketing? Sony w/their absolutely ridiculous attempts ala alliwantforxmasisapsp.Imaretard and their PAID hands that stroll through this site WITHOUT being open about who employs them; or MS who puts very OBVIOUS and at least fun to some, marketing attempts like ilovebees or ourcolony, and whose paid hands are OPEN about who they work for?

I dunno, seems like a tough one. Everyone seems to want to say MS does this or that while ignoring that ALL the other companies are doing it. Not only are they doing it, but they fecking suck at it. When I see a alliwantforsummeris360, I'll agree with you.

 

[zallaaa]

I wouldn't say this, but it was quite expectable since they couldn't sell all the launch stock... well, maybe sony will consider a price drop sooner than the expected.

 

[mckmas8808]

honest question. what would be a bad drop off and what would be a good drop off? percentages please.

Spoiler

my point is that you don't know... nothing more nothing less. also spider-man 2 only dropped off 32% in its second week. 90 percent would be considered catastrophic... not that it's a valid comparison.

Plag honestly why are you even doing this to yourself. I was playing around eariler some, but you are too smart to jump in this crazy thread expecting real good answers.

 

[DenogginizerOS]

What was the top selling console for this week in discussion? Not handhelds. X360, Wii, or PS3?

 

[squatingyeti]

You need to replace "weekend" with month to make it sound more convincing. Otherwise the post sums up my feelings perfectly about this pathetic situation with the non-stop antiSony spin nowadays.

reaping what we sow fortified?

 

[Evlar]

What was the top selling console for this week in discussion? Not handhelds. X360, Wii, or PS3?

Who knows?

 

[radioheadrule83]

All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. Time to die.


Best damn movie ever made.

I hope you represented in Willco's hate thread:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=85285

I love it too.

As for this news -- I don't find it surprising either. I'd caution anyone on making conclusions either way about the PS3, but I want to see funny follow up threads in future...

so carry on!

 

[Link316]

I don't know less than 3 million VS 10 million? Even if you consider a game like(and I'm NOT saying it's coming to the 360) Final Fantasy, a game that does GREAT in Japan, and solid everywhere else, you are looking at max(today) 3 million people buying it if EVERY single person with a PS3 bought it(lots of luck there) vs even if only half of the 360 crowd buys it=5 million, now assuming that the PS3 and 360 sales wise WW are more or less equal going forward, which base would you wanna sell to? I should say why leave out such a HUGE possible market in the 360 of course also sell it on the ps3

that's a very naive way of looking at it cause having a larger userbase doesn't necessarily mean better sales, for example within that 10M 360 userbase the market for a FF game might only be 500K but for those 3M PS3s the market for it might be 2M, part of the reason publishers pay thousands of bucks for NPD subscriptions is to get a breakdown on what types of game sells on each platform cause just looking at the total userbase at face value doesn't tell the whole story

 

[plagiarize]

Plag honestly why are you even doing this to yourself. I was playing around eariler some, but you are too smart to jump in this crazy thread expecting real good answers.

heh. thanks mck. i don't know why i bother sometimes... whether it's people accusing me of spin because i don't have a problem with saying sales have dropped 82% or whether it's people 'agreeing' with me for my come back to a 'sony fanboy' when my post was in agreement with that person, saying that you can't say anything after two weeks of sales.

maybe i think people can get the message that we have no idea if this is a large drop off, a normal drop off or a small drop off, and just file this away for future reference in the event that we get more console launches with as great supply as the EU PS3 launch, and knowing then what we'll know about how the PS3 did, we'll be able to use this figure to judge the next well supplied launch.

 

[mabuza]

I love that people spit out some random number about MS' Viral marketing budget. That tard from Insomniac fires a number out his arse and now it's golden! Guess what, who do you think tries harder and wastes more money on Viral marketing? Sony w/their absolutely ridiculous attempts ala alliwantforxmasisapsp.Imaretard and their PAID hands that stroll through this site WITHOUT being open about who employs them; or MS who puts very OBVIOUS and at least fun to some, marketing attempts like ilovebees or ourcolony, and whose paid hands are OPEN about who they work for?

I dunno, seems like a tough one. Everyone seems to want to say MS does this or that while ignoring that ALL the other companies are doing it. Not only are they doing it, but they fecking suck at it. When I see a alliwantforsummeris360, I'll agree with you.

tell us why you mad son? let it all out :lol

 

[Oni Jazar]

This many pages and still no charts of previous hardware launches week after week? Tsk Tsk GAF.

 

[Aisenherz]

In other Dumb Negative spin:

SpiderMan 3 drops 90 percent of sales after it's first weekend.

Of course PS3 would have a drop. If it kept at the same rate UK they would have sold 20 million by the end of the year in the UK alone. Have you people no logic???

Some of you are nuts seriously

So good.

It is so funny. After a good week with good SONY news and without bad news, the SONY bashers and trolls are back. And they got their Xbots and Nintendrones with them.
Boys, the PS3 sale numbes are still good!
Troll somewhere else. Here is nothing for you

 

[Luckyman]

Where will it stabilize? 30k is way high.

 

[MightyHedgehog]

Haha. I took this quote from another forum:

hmmmm if this is news then we should write stories about how after Thanksgiving theres is a severe drop in turkey sales..

:lol :lol

Does anyone really expect turkey sales to gain momentum after the peak time for sales, though? For a game console, you're traditionally expecting a maintained level of sales with momentum building as more are exposed to the system and it consequently generates more buzz.

Given the extreme supply for the PS3, a rarity for a new console launch, it's logical to expect a drop in sales after initial release...but I don't think anyone was expecting an almost 90% drop from the launch about a week later. In a time when everyone's been pointing out that the system was known to be in high supply...the rationalization for why the launch events were so disappointing...why then was the launch so front loaded and confined to a single week only to fall 82% the following week? Wouldn't the sales drop but still, at least, maintain some large percentage of the first week's sales given good supply? Or is the new rationalization that people know the PS3 is in high supply and will just get around to purchasing it sometime. If anything, it seems to me, the buzz has died with the hardcore who already picked it up in the first week. That's cause for concern, IMO.

Whether it gets better or not over the next month will be interesting, but since I don't see anything for a few months on the system that isn't already available on other systems, I have to wonder just what Sony expects to drive sales. It really is looking very possible that this is just a repeat of Japan and NA.

 

[alterego]

honest question. what would be a bad drop off and what would be a good drop off? percentages please.

my point is that you don't know... nothing more nothing less. also spider-man 2 only dropped off 32% in its second week. 90 percent would be considered catastrophic... not that it's a valid comparison.

The lowest drop-off possible would have been 68% if they sold every single unit available.

220,000 units shipped:-

Week 1: 165,000 sold
If week 2 sold the rest: 55,000 would be max
165,000 ---> 55,000 = 68% drop best case scenario

What we got was 165,000 ---> 30,000 = 82% drop

This doesn't tell us anything of what will happen in the coming weeks and months but really it's just a bizarre way to present the stats and serves no purpose other than pure sensationalism.

If almost every single unit in the country was sold (which would never happen as there will always be units hidden somewhere) you would still have the sensational headline "sales drop by 70%".

 

[the girl next door]

Lol, good to see those little Sony-cock sucking sphincters shaking in their boots.