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PS3 hypervisor hacked
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Holy shit I thought it had at least 2 more years left on it. That's incredibly insane. Props to this guy. I personally doubt it will be made useful for another year or two yet, while the modchip manufacturers figure out what he did and replicate it. This is assuming it's even exploitable, since the keys can now be changed, every time that happens, pow, some guy somewhere will have to release it and every single person with the mod will have to update.
Unregistered007
Banned
Dani said:
the problem is that there are a million pirates to one guy who uses homebrew so no defense is valid.
onken
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The problem we have is that Sony didn't go all the way with it's Linux implentation. By gimping the graphics card, any chance of decent media playback or emulation was dead in the water. Removing it from slim is pretty inconsequential, because it's basically useless anyway.
If they had Linux properly working, all the justifications about media and emulators would be stillborn and the whole community could properly get behind condemning this. As it stands, the fracturing caused by the "a SNES emulator would be nice" crowd is going to open the door to a fully exploited system, with rampant piracy one step behind.
If they had Linux properly working, all the justifications about media and emulators would be stillborn and the whole community could properly get behind condemning this. As it stands, the fracturing caused by the "a SNES emulator would be nice" crowd is going to open the door to a fully exploited system, with rampant piracy one step behind.
Ninja Moomin
Banned
so the PSN is about to crash and burn?
Sony has thus far not demonstrated it has any tools to track and ban cheaters.
Great.
Sony has thus far not demonstrated it has any tools to track and ban cheaters.
Great.
Dacvak
No one shall be brought before our LORD David Bowie without the true and secret knowledge of the Photoshop. For in that time, so shall He appear.
I'm a big fan of Geohot because of blackra1n, but I honestly can't think of an immediate use for hacking the PS3. All it'll do at first is promote piracy.
The only thing I'd truly want is an upscaling PS2 emulator (that obviously reads discs) and an upscaling N64 emulator. Both of those are years away, though.
Even though, to be honest, I can't see many people pirating games since they'll A. be a bitch to download, and B. have to be burned onto Bluray discs.
The only thing I'd truly want is an upscaling PS2 emulator (that obviously reads discs) and an upscaling N64 emulator. Both of those are years away, though.
Captain Chaos
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wud said:
Moving Shadow avatar yeah!
Dacvak
No one shall be brought before our LORD David Bowie without the true and secret knowledge of the Photoshop. For in that time, so shall He appear.
Homebrew/hacking makes game exploits/cheats possible/much easier to achieve. The Wii had a whole "action replay-esque" cheat system designed as homebrew, and it's used in many different Wii programs now.gofreak said:
Edit: Fuck, there were a lot of slashes in that first sentence. Whatever, you'll get through it.
Why do so many people make that latter assumption? If PS3 is fully hacked an iso loader could be made.Dacvak said:
What you want is, I assume, not an upscaling emulator but one that renders at a higher resolution than the original system. For PS2 this will never happen on PS3 (even Sony apparently couldn't get a non-enhancing emu to work), for N64 it could happen quite soon.Dacvak said:
Anyway, as I said earlier I don't see either benign homebrew or piracy gaining widespread adoption, because of the apparent complexity of the method, forced firmware updates and the whole encryption key mess.
timetokill
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But if he hacks the PS3, then where will SonyGAF hang their hats?
manzo
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After reading the whole blog, the PS3 is really not open yet. He needs the keys from the locked SPU to really be able to run unsigned code.
When Geohot gets those, the PS3 is on it's knees. He's close, but not quite there yet. It will be interesting to see if he ever gets the keys.
When Geohot gets those, the PS3 is on it's knees. He's close, but not quite there yet. It will be interesting to see if he ever gets the keys.
Dacvak
No one shall be brought before our LORD David Bowie without the true and secret knowledge of the Photoshop. For in that time, so shall He appear.
Ah, shit, I guess you're right. I forgot how easy it is to install games on a hard drive on the Wii.Firestorm said:
Well, I'm all in favor of backing up games via hard drive, but it sucks when people use it for pirating. I guess it's kind of inevitable, though. =/
Diablohead
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Since the ps3 is already region free I wonder if someone will get cracking on a media center like the old xbox has, might be rather impressive making one with access to the ps3's cell power.
manzo said:
IIRC, the keys are 'embedded in hardware'.
He says they 'may' be in his blog post, but I believe IBM published papers on its security where, unless memory's failing me, they say the keys are indeed a 'hardware root of secrecy'.
Course there may be many shades of grey here. And I dunno if that would make them impossible to get at anyway.
edit - googling it, more correctly the root key is stored in hardware. That's the key used to decrypt the other keys further up the chain. If he got that key he'd obviously have full access, but maybe there's ways of snooping the other decrypted keys without having the hardware key.
gofreak said:
not entirely sure which keys we are talking about here, but if they are the keys used to 'decrypt' the psn games etc (ie the public keys used to check the signed code), then it would let you unsign psn games/blu-ray games, but then you can only run them if you can run unsigned code, because sony still have the signing/encryption keys at their end that no one else will ever know.
so unless he has a hack to run unsigned code on it without hardware modification, the decryption keys aren't going to be much use.
even then the online side of ps3 is a much bigger deal than on wii or psp, so all sony have to do is keep updating the firmware faster than people can make custom versions of it. i'm pretty sure there are ways the could stop people with hacked systems from being able to play online.
Warren Ellis
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blue rays free region plz 
manzo
Member
panda21 said:
But without the keys, there is no way to run unsigned code. No keys = no homebrew. That would make the hack pretty useless. I'm sure he will get them, I'd guess that's his ultimate challenge in this whole operation.
Naturally, the rat race will begin immediately when/if the hack goes public.
The way I see it, getting past the hypervisor was just getting past the guards of the bank. Now to open the vault itself... that's going to be a big task.
Anyway, kudos to Geohot for even getting past the hypervisor. That alone takes insane skill.
gofreak said:
Getting the root key would be the ultimate victory. But how the hell can he even get inside the SPU when the decryption process happens in an isolated area?
Well there are two main facotors for this to success:
i) How easy and how dangerous will the hacking be?
ii) How easy will backupswork?
In general i would say the impact will not be as big as for PSP. This is because the main target group for PS3 is older then for PSP. Besides PS3 is still mainly in households with better economic income. If you look at regions which pirated most in before you will realize there are almost no PS3s in that area yet just because of the price. I am talking about south America, south Europe and of course asia. But we need to wait and see how this will go on. I would really love to see homebrew on PS3 as long as there is no possibility to run backups from PS3 games. PS2 and PS1 games on the other hand could be pretty useful since almost all of us has thosen of those laying around
i) How easy and how dangerous will the hacking be?
ii) How easy will backupswork?
In general i would say the impact will not be as big as for PSP. This is because the main target group for PS3 is older then for PSP. Besides PS3 is still mainly in households with better economic income. If you look at regions which pirated most in before you will realize there are almost no PS3s in that area yet just because of the price. I am talking about south America, south Europe and of course asia. But we need to wait and see how this will go on. I would really love to see homebrew on PS3 as long as there is no possibility to run backups from PS3 games. PS2 and PS1 games on the other hand could be pretty useful since almost all of us has thosen of those laying around
Unregistered007
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if I can somehow install my PS2 games to the HDD and use HD Loader I am in. Otherwise no need to hack the ps3.
Now I get it. PS3 is the best media center for what it is already. All i want is a DC emulator, N64 Emulator and upsacling PS1/2 emulator. Maybe chrome for PS3? Slightly Live
Dirty tag dodger
A region free BluRay/DVD/PS1/PS2/PS3 playing console?
I'd die happy.
I'd die happy.
yurinka
Member
Looks like it's real. Believe me, this guy is not a random one. It means maybe in a few months we are going to see piracy in PS3, and suspiciously as I predicted aproximatedly at the same time its hardware become profitable.
I think when it happens it's going to boost its hardware sales like did in previous platforms, more than with the Secret PS3 game. And without hurting seriously the software sales, like it did in PSP.
Can't wait to see awesome emulators, like MAME, running without needing Linux.
An easy way for Capcom to release Monster Hunter 3 for PS3 :lol
I think when it happens it's going to boost its hardware sales like did in previous platforms, more than with the Secret PS3 game. And without hurting seriously the software sales, like it did in PSP.
Can't wait to see awesome emulators, like MAME, running without needing Linux.
The NGC / Wii emulator for PC running in PS3 with FullHD and Wand support...carlosp said:
An easy way for Capcom to release Monster Hunter 3 for PS3 :lol
Yes, and only a few games are really huge. Many of them are only a few GB, specially the multiplatform stuff, they would have the same size than the Xbox version.OldJadedGamer said:
The Faceless Master
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King Kong shader exploit had Homebrew running a long time ago. it was a pretty convoluted process, but it worked.Rhindle said:
lowrider007
Licorice-flavoured booze?
yurinka said:
You see this is side of it that I think is questionable, isn't the data in some of these games duplicated and spread across the disc to make it easier for the BD drive to access the data quicker thus making the size of the games a lot larger?
And to 'OldJadedGamer', who ever downloaded a full CD ? people are mostly downloading MP3's, that isn't the same thing as downloading a full uncompressed audio CD, I doubt we're going to start seeing compressed PS3 games to download, I honestly don't see piracy becoming a big concern on the PS3 if it ever becomes possible.
Psychotext
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No, you're right... pirates almost never use rar files with compression.lowrider007 said:
As for game sizes, google PS3 game dump size and you'll get an idea.
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