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[KtSlime]

That's what I learnt at the cinema! D: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmZm8vNHBSU

Would you hit an old lady and take her purse then steal a car and hit her with it??? If you wouldn't do that why would you steal a movie? Haha, advertising; did you know that it was originally going to be called propaganda but the Nazi's got to that word first?


Noshino: How do you you get negative sales?

 

[Prisen]

Uh, Netflix isn't available on Andriod because of security issues

There is a bunch of other stuff that can go wrong that doesn't involve someone ripping a movie off the stream.

 

[Noshino]

Would you hit an old lady and take her purse then steal a car and hit her with it??? If you wouldn't do that why would you steal a movie? Haha, advertising; did you know that it was originally going to be called propaganda but the Nazi's got to that word first?


Noshino: How do you you get negative sales?

How did you get "negative sales" out of "more to lose than to gain"?

 

[KtSlime]

How did you get "negative sales" out of "more to lose than to gain"?

Easy:

If they sell some with zero piracy -> money
If they sell some with some piracy -> money
If they sell none with zero piracy -> no money
If they sell none with some piracy -> no money

So a person with CFW even if they are willing to pay, and WANT to pay for a game they are unable to, their only options become pirate game or don't play game.

If a person with CFW can access the PSN store they have three options, buy game, pirate game, don't play game.

As it stands, without the PSN store on CFW, everyone on CFW that wants to play a game that is released after last week will pirate it. Easy as that. If they can access the PSN store, some will buy it, and some will pirate it.

Visual of potential customers:

OFW+CFW > OFW

 

[Dambrosi]

If Sony created a web front-end for the PS Store for use with normal browsers, outside of PSN but accessible via the PS3 browser, where you could buy, then download and install everything currently available on PSN (including DLC where applicable), how would that sound to you guys?

Edit: Hah, I wasn't the first to think of that, I see - there's a whole thread about it.

 

[Mithos]

If Sony created a web front-end for the PS Store for use with normal browsers, outside of PSN but accessible via the PS3 browser, where you could buy, then download and install everything currently available on PSN (including DLC where applicable), how would that sound to you guys?

Awesome, great "backup" feature for all the game-patches/DLC and such IMHO.

 

[Dambrosi]

Awesome, great "backup" feature for all the game-patches/DLC and such IMHO.

...are you making a funny?

 

[-Amon-]

Awesome, great "backup" feature for all the game-patches/DLC and such IMHO.

Psn game sharing made easier than it is today if possible, great idea !!!!

lol

 

[Dambrosi]

Psn game sharing made easier than it is today if possible, great idea !!!!

lol

Doesn't game sharing require you to have access to the sharer's account details? It also requires that you have their account on your machine, correct? If so, then I fail to see anything to :lol about.

 

[KtSlime]

If Sony created a web front-end for the PS Store for use with normal browsers, outside of PSN but accessible via the PS3 browser, where you could buy, then download and install everything currently available on PSN (including DLC where applicable), how would that sound to you guys?

Edit: Hah, I wasn't the first to think of that, I see - there's a whole thread about it.

I think that would be a good compromise.

I still think Sony could do it easiest with a tiered PSN membership.

 

[sadaiyappan]

Can someone summarize this rootkit discusssion for me. What's going on? I just bought an expensive Lamborghini in GT5, and I am getting out raced by the AI in RX-7s. Anyone can get on my PS3 and hack the data now? Or is it just people on my friends list? Is CFW more secure than OFW now?

 

[SolidSnakex]

Can someone summarize this rootkit discusssion for me. What's going on? I just bought an expensive Lamborghini in GT5, and I am getting out raced by the AI in RX-7s. Anyone can get on my PS3 and hack the data now? Or is it just people on my friends list? Is CFW more secure than OFW now?

If your Lamborghini is stock then chances are those RX-7's are modded heavily in game, and that's why they can outrun it.

 

[Dambrosi]

Can someone summarize this rootkit discusssion for me. What's going on? I just bought an expensive Lamborghini in GT5, and I am getting out raced by the AI in RX-7s. Anyone can get on my PS3 and hack the data now? Or is it just people on my friends list? Is CFW more secure than OFW now?

Hey, the AI might cheat, but that's not our fault.

 

[kitch9]

Can someone summarize this rootkit discusssion for me. What's going on? I just bought an expensive Lamborghini in GT5, and I am getting out raced by the AI in RX-7s. Anyone can get on my PS3 and hack the data now? Or is it just people on my friends list? Is CFW more secure than OFW now?

Not sure if serious?

 

[sadaiyappan]

I wasn't able to keep up with RX-7s in A-Spec Expert Series Polyphony Digital Cup races.

Now I'm trying to finish the A-Spec Expert Series Gran Turismo All Stars races with a Lamborghini Murcielago LP 670-4 that has all the mods installed and I'm not even close to the race cars. But it's weird because the AI goes slowly the first lap or two then they all overtake me the last few laps.

 

[WrikaWrek]

Would you download a car?

 

[kitch9]

I wasn't able to keep up with RX-7s in A-Spec Expert Series Polyphony Digital Cup races.

Now I'm trying to finish the A-Spec Expert Series Gran Turismo All Stars races with a Lamborghini Murcielago LP 670-4 that has all the mods installed and I'm not even close to the race cars. But it's weird because the AI goes slowly the first lap or two then they all overtake me the last few laps.

There's no way you'll do the Digital Cup or All Stars in those cars period.

Hell I'm struggling in a 1000bhp Toyota Minolta....

 

[h3ro]

I wasn't able to keep up with RX-7s in A-Spec Expert Series Polyphony Digital Cup races.

Now I'm trying to finish the A-Spec Expert Series Gran Turismo All Stars races with a Lamborghini Murcielago LP 670-4 that has all the mods installed and I'm not even close to the race cars. But it's weird because the AI goes slowly the first lap or two then they all overtake me the last few laps.

Don't use that pig. Check out the Minolta if you've gotten it or the Chaparral 2J vacuum engine car.

Also, CFW didn't do anything in this case bud.

 

[Jocchan]

I hear CFW played a part in Kennedy's assassination.

 

[tzare]

I hear CFW played a part in Kennedy's assassination.

i heard CFW heals injured

 

[Momo]

Updated to 3.56 this morning, wish I saw this thread beforehand. Oh well.

 

[RoadHazard]

If all this does is detect hackers going on PSN and potentially ban them, that's fine by me. The less risk there is of online games being ruined by hackers/cheaters, the happier I'll be!

 

[Mr_Appleby]

Mr_Appleby - except for Android and iOS consoles.

those are not consoles, they are multi-hardware development platforms designed with the intent of allowing 'the common people' (as it were) to easily create and publish applications/games for those platforms with a minimum of vendor oversight. it is hardly comparable.

 

[test_account]

Good post. Better than most in this thread.

I believe you're correct, since the "sides" (Sony and the hackers) only seem to get more extreme by the day. The really meaty stuff (HV decryption, NPDRM, etc) will be leaked soon at this rate, and Sony's behaviour is only encouraging that...well, inevitability, now.

But, on the other hand, with all that's happened, and remembering their duties to their shareholdes and partners - what else can Sony do?

It's a vicious cycle, and it's up to both parties to stop the bird-flipping before it reaches its conclusion.

That is a good point about what you say about duties to the shareholders, i havnt seen this being mentioned before in this Geohot lawsuit case and i havnt really thought about this myself I agree, i think that it is important for Sony to show to the shareholders that they care. If Sony doesnt win this case, or if it doesnt stop the hacking, at least Sony have showed to the shareholder that they tried to stop it and that they cared about it.

 

[jeff_rigby]

Actually the Netflix app is nothing more than a webkit engine with some authentification magic to wrap around h.264 videos.

Unfortunately I doubt there will ever be a homebrew browser capable of streaming Netflix because their web client requires Silverlight which has not a snowballs chance of being ported to Cell/PPC.

Anyway, you are 100% correct that my access to Netflix on my PS3 is arranged through Sony - however I don't think it was very nice of them to require a PSN signon to use it. That all said, I still don't think people being unable to watch their Netflix on their PS3 is going to cut down on piracy, so it seems like a silly means to stop it.

Dambrosi: Yeah, I wished it worked, but Netflix uses silverlight not flash.

Netflix on the PS3 uses a Netflix custom port of QT Webkit. QT Webkit is a hybrid cross platform development platform of Webkit tools and "C" library extensions. It's typically used in embedded systems that do not have their own webkit or library of common "C" functions.

Sony is probably getting a % of the revenue generated by Netflix on the PS3. I would assume that logging into Netflix requiring PSN is to keep tabs on Netflix use.

The other issue is DRM. As a closed console, I.E. unhacked, DRM might not be needed except for the internet stream. A hacked system can have software to intercept the movie stream once inside the PS3 (Scraper). With a required logon to PSN the latest firmware and anti hacker features would be active and there is less chance of a movie being pirated.

Netflix now has several different streams for hardware platforms. For PC browsers, a scraper detector is required. This generally requires additional software using I guess Silverlight, Flash or some custom native language program.

Silverlight is not available on the PS3 but Adobe Air 2.5 or some Flash product could be to insure DRM. There is no indication that this is the case.

 

[iapetus]

That is a good point about what you say about duties to the shareholders, i havnt seen this being mentioned before in this Geohot lawsuit case and i havnt really thought about this myself I agree, i think that it is important for Sony to show to the shareholders that they care. If Sony doesnt win this case, or if it doesnt stop the hacking, at least Sony have showed to the shareholder that they tried to stop it and that they cared about it.

The flip side, of course, is that what they've done has caused an escalation that has exacerbated the situation massively. Not good.

 

[test_account]

The flip side, of course, is that what they've done has caused an escalation that has exacerbated the situation massively. Not good.

What do you think about regarding what they have done to cause an escalation?