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[woober]

Where was it confirmed that theres no external power brick for the PS4?

 

[MikeJAMoran]

Their spec sheet confirms that the AUX port is for the PS Eye:

PS Eye camera is only £44? Controller £54.

 

[AranhaHunter]

:lol

 

[Withnail]

Jesus Christ. He continues to have zero clue what he's talking about. Someone tell that idiot that smaller and less complicated APU == less transistors == less heat.

He is an idiot, but in this case I was thinking along the same lines just because the GDDR5 in the PS4 which is clocked at a high speed and consequently generates a lot of heat. The APU won't make a huge amount of difference.

Sony has either done a very impressive cooling job or the XB1 has just gone for the bigger=quieter route.

Also I think MS will have played the hardware design very conservatively out of fear of another RRoD fiasco.

 

[crispyben]

PS Eye camera is only £44? Controller £54.

Yeah, they are the same price in USD, but there's a difference in € and £... Weird.

 

[Chittagong]

wow, PS4 looks really slim. Plus it looks doubly slim because of the clever optical illusion created by having two thin 'floating' layers instead of one big monolith.

 

[KidBeta]

He is an idiot, but in this case I was thinking along the same lines just because the GDDR5 in the PS4 which is clocked at a high speed and consequently generates a lot of heat. The APU won't make a huge amount of difference.

If the yield issues where true maybe they upped the voltage to fix it. More volts more heat.

 

[eso76]

Wait, this thing is smaller than a PS3 slim ?
I refuse to believe that.

 

[maltrain]

Joseph Olin, former president of the Academy of Interactive Arts & Sciences, in 2010 said "Mark Cerny is the closest we have come to a modern-day Da Vinci".

I think he was pretty damn right.

 

[Beermeister]

now,i wouldn't be surprised if the xbox1 is louder.

the xbox1 apu is bigger,maybe the ps4 has a smaller fan?
if anything,the last weeks showed us that we cant make assumptions.

Small fan = high RPM = loud.
Large fan = low RPM = quiet.

 

[onQ123]

They're both larger than expected (Xbox especially so) considering their anaemic specs.

The PS4 is about the same size as the PS3 Slim I doubt if many people expected the PS4 to be smaller than the PS3 slim, if so what was you expecting?

 

[Barack Lesnar]

They're both larger than expected (Xbox especially so) considering their anaemic specs.

Larger than expected? Anaemic specs? What sort of fail first post is this. I'm shocked at how small PS4 looks, and apparently the PSU is internal? Whaaaaaa.......
And the PS4 specs aren't anemic. X1 aren't that bad, either.

 

[NekoFever]

now,i wouldn't be surprised if the xbox1 is louder.

the xbox1 apu is bigger,maybe the ps4 has a smaller fan?
if anything,the last weeks showed us that we cant make assumptions.

Smaller fans are louder because they have to run faster to move the same amount of air.

 

[LukeTim]

Jesus Christ. He continues to have zero clue what he's talking about. Someone tell that idiot that smaller and less complicated APU == less transistors == less heat.

It's also likely to be produced on a smaller process node... given that there's no massive chunk of eSRAM taking up half the die. That should help power consumption (smaller, hence internal, PSU) and heat... I think.

 

[KidBeta]

It's also likely to be produced on a smaller process node... given that there's no massive chunk of eSRAM taking up half the die. That should help power consumption (smaller, hence internal, PSU) and heat... I think.

Smaller then 28nm?.

 

[LukeTim]

Smaller then 28nm?.

I thought there were rumours that MS had to up their process to 32 or something for the sake of fixing their yield issues...

 

[Theman2k]

in terms of size, ps4 is like ps3 slim.
amazing, and without external brick..

 

[KidBeta]

I thought there were rumours that MS had to up their process to 32 or something for the sake of fixing their yield issues...

That won't fix your yield issues, back porting GCN and jaguar to 32nm would take forever as well.

 

[raven777]

Can someone explain to be how ps4 can be so much smaller, and have no brick adapter, and have higher spec at the same time??

Is there certain compnant in xbone that makes it bigger? (Esram???)

 

[Kunan]

This is the size I expected with system on a chip architecture. I'm still not totally sold on the design, but the size is exactly what I hoped for. And internal power brick? Wow.

 

[KageMaru]

Both consoles are ugly IMO.

Also I think it's clear that MS is going the extreme with Xbone to avoid another RRoD fiasco.

 

[LukeTim]

That won't fix your yield issues, back porting GCN and jaguar to 32nm would take forever as well.

I see, I guess I misread.

 

[WolfForager]

in terms of size, ps4 is like ps3 slim.
amazing, and without external brick..

Dat Sony engineering.

 

[Mr_Antimatter]

Makes me wonder what the ps4 slim will look like in the future.

 

[Dead Man]

Makes me wonder what the ps4 slim will look like in the future.

 

[PuppetMaster]

Isn't that wrong? I'm not very informed on the hardware specs of both consoles, but aren't the components pretty much the same with the exception of xb1 apu being bigger due to the esram?

Someone lied to you

 

[Dr. Zoidberg]

The rear of the PS4 looks a little janky and cheap, IMO. Those ports look haphazard. Especially compared to the launch PS3, but I'll never see the back so who cares.

 

[Tallshortman]

Sony has always had better hardware engineers, no surprise here.

 

[CoffeeJanitor]

I love the look

 

[kortez320]

It actually is amazing that despite having basically the exact same size APU the size of the boxes ended up so dramatically different. I imagine it can be at least partly explained that MS wanted to be absolutely sure not to repeat the RROD situation.

Both are kind of ugly though and it looks like they were designed by the same team. PS4 = Xbone slim.

 

[KidBeta]

It actually is amazing that despite having basically the exact same size APU the size of the boxes ended up so dramatically different. I imagine it can be at least partly explained that MS wanted to be absolutely sure not to repeat the RROD situation.

Both are kind of ugly though and it looks like they were designed by the same team. PS4 = Xbone slim.

Eh what?, the XB1 APU is at least 100mm^2 maybe more bigger then the PS4 APU.

mainly because of dat eSRAM.

 

[LukeTim]

Sony has always had better hardware engineers, no surprise here.

Makes sense. Hardware is what Sony does... Microsoft is a Software company.

 

[NIGHT-]

both are hideous consoles, but that PS4 is the worst looking console design in a while. Who came up with this shit?

 

[Betta Lines]

Are there any enormous resolution press images yet?

 

[drugstore_cowboy]

Smaller but far uglier than the Xbox and that's saying something.

 

[FonkyByNature]

PS4 is damn sexy !!!

This is Sony engineering and they are among the best in the world. No surprise they were gonna have a better looking console.

 

[Dead Man]

both are hideous consoles, but that PS4 is the worst looking console design in a while. Who came up with this shit?

Nah, PS3super slim is still the ugliest console to ever exist.

 

[Showaddy]

Smaller but far uglier than the Xbox and that's saying something.

Whaa? Xbone is just massive brick, there's no thought or design gone into it at all lol

 

[Betta Lines]

Smaller but far uglier than the Xbox and that's saying something.

That's saying... something incorrectly. The One is just a box, looks like a VCR. The PS4 looks to have more effort lavished on it in the design department. And the small size suggests a very smart cooling solution too.

 

[Durante]

The PS4 definitely looks no bigger than the original PS3. If anything it looks marginally smaller.

It's actually significantly smaller. It's smaller than a slim in total extents.

As would be expected really considering specs, no idea what happened at MS.

 

[kortez320]

Eh what?, the XB1 APU is at least 100mm^2 maybe more bigger then the PS4 APU.

mainly because of dat eSRAM.

You're right.

Still doesn't come close to explaining a 65% volume increase.

 

[Omni]

Jeeeez both of these consoles are ugly. I mean the PS3 got worse with each iteration, but jeeeez. Didn't expect this.

Only benefit to the size is that you can hide it away where you aren't forced to look at it and think what a terrible design it has.

 

[Diablo Rosso]

The fact that the PS4 is around the same size as the PS3 slim is nothing short of amazing.

 

[MWS Natural]

Wow...another example of a Software vs Hardware company I guess.

 

[VanWinkle]

PS4 is such an amazing looking console. So much slimmer than the Xbox One, too.

 

[Inside]

Love the design and how it reminds me of the older consoles.


Even the buttons are very classic Playstation style!

 

[jcm]

Where was it confirmed that theres no external power brick for the PS4?

The spec sheet lists "AC power cord x1".

 

[Mandoric]

The spec sheet lists "AC power cord x1".

They also talk about the power supply as part of the internal engineering.

 

[Durante]

I'm really looking forward to the first teardown, this should be beautifully engineered.

PS4 is such an amazing looking console.

I was taken aback at first, but it has grown on me. Evocative of PS2, and the inherent low height coupled with the layered design makes it look really slim.

 

[ElFly]

It's either impressive on Sony's part, stupid on MS's part, or the PS4 is gonna have heating problems.

Gonna guess it is impressive.