LiquidMetal14
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Yep, that was one feature which they had over PSN. Installs will not be missed.
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PS4s digital library lets you play your games anywhere & on anyones console
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Yep, that was one feature which they had over PSN. Installs will not be missed.
careless mango
Member
You can have your profile on a USB stick. But yes. They streamlined that process so it takes about a minute instead of 15-30 like with the old system. It's not called "recover gamertag" anymore though, I think it is just "download profile" or whatever.
Vestal
Junior Member
Did you even read the OP?!?!
Were in the OP does it say anything about SHARING YOUR GAMES?!?!?!
Exactly, thank you. But the juniors are too busy with their overdramatic "this is what's wrong with gaming" histrionics to realize that.
This was the argument for why there was a 24 hour check on Xbone but I heard endless comments from people saying MS don't trust their customers!
They could of run the system without the 24 hour check, but this would of opened the system to abuse, instead we lost out on what for me would of actually been a beneficial set of system features, now if I want to use said features I have to buy 100% digitally and I can never trade those games in.
infinityBCRT
Member
PS3 digital games are locked to 2 consoles. On 360 you get one license for your gamertag and one license for the original console you download the game/content to (and you can transfer all of your licenses to another console once every 4 months). So like PS3, there could be 2 concurrently played copies of the game I bought (one on my gamertag and one on someone else's). And I can put my game on 10 different 360s if I wanted to and play it on any of those 360s at any time.
Presumably both PS4 and Xbox One will be like the 360.
The thing that Xbox One dropped is that they were going to have the same system for physical discs.
REMEMBER CITADEL
Banned
What you just said is not in the OP. What is in the OP is a description of a system that works just like it does now on Xbox 360 and PS3 (and Xbox One when it launches), with the exception of play as you download (a feature that is also going to be present on Xbox One).
I'm not trying to spin this negatively for anyone actually. The 360 doesn't have an activation limit on how many consoles you can access your software from. In order to use the software on more than two PS3's, you must deactivate one of the previous consoles manually (which becomes complicated when that console isn't where you currently are).
This isn't the case for the 360 which essentially deactivates the non-main console automatically when you attempt to use the software. This is what I'm assuming the PS4 now does also, allowing you to easily play on any machine.
Both approaches have their advantages actually, as the PS3's second activation wasn't tied to a particular account. If people were arguing a preference for one over the other, then fair enough. That isn't what's happening ITT however...
For the people that can't figure out how it can be used to share a game: What's to stop me from giving my friend my log in info so he can play one of my digital games? Assuming the license works while he signs off after, which from the sounds of this thread, it does.
I'm sure it'll be limited to 2-3 consoles but that's still a hell of a lot more reasonable than what MS was proposing.
I'm sure it'll be limited to 2-3 consoles but that's still a hell of a lot more reasonable than what MS was proposing.
BRocknRolla
Member
Are you saying that you can have two people logged on as the same gamertag at the same time? Can you link me to something that says it, because I looked myself, and I can't find evidence of it. Seriously, all I can find are things saying this isn't possible.
Vestal
Junior Member
Demon Ice said:
Quote you again because apparently you didnt read the OP. This is not family sharing, therefore it has NOTHING TO DO WITH IT. Xbox one still has the feature, HELL the 360 has this feature. It never had anything to do with always online.
READ THE OP!
So on 360, I can have my games on as many consoles as I want - only it has to be me playing them and nobody else. On PS3, I can have my games on only two consoles, but anybody can play on both of those consoles. Is that right? I don't know which of those are preferable honestly.
Beer Monkey
Member
People still not getting it. With Xbox 360 you can literally play all of your digital games on 100 different consoles on the same day if you put your account on a memory card and carry it around with you.
But this was my ONLY problem with MS's DRM policy was the 24 hour check. After 20 years in the Navy, it was a boneheaded decision to make a console so anti-military. Used games was never my issue.
Microsoft is a business and this business would have been a colossal failure. You can't sell discs to people and pretend it's a purely digital copy. Not on consoles. We're just not wired to accept it.
binarymelon
Member
Has there been any word on whether or not this will affect the current activation policy for PS3 and Vita?
I did, and I also made two posts that further explained how I interpreted the OP and then I asked what part I was misunderstanding.
Maybe you should drop the rage theatrics and take your own advice and read the thread?
Wonder Cheese
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If anyone ever asks me, "So what's this NeoGAF thing all about?" I'll just direct them to this thread. It's perfect. Holy crap.
Vestal
Junior Member
The only way this is not abused is if they keep the activation policy or if they require an online checkin to ensure your account is not active on more than 1 device.
The functionality wasn't built into those consoles, therefore they're not going to change the policies on those consoles. Sony isn't trying to shit on 77 million owners. They're only coming out with new policies for new buyers of the new console.
That's what I thought but apparently I'm a terrible person and now people are yelling at me for some reason.
metalmachine
Member
This is absolutely awesome news. Sony is really hitting it out of the park this time around. Hard to deny them praise as they certainly learned from their mistakes,
I don't know what else they could of done to maintain the features though, every alternative that people offered still meant that another user could be playing the game in it's entirety as well as the owner.
I never heard anything as sensible as this last month
We don't know anything about sharing. All this says is that YOU will be able to play YOUR games on any console.
Vestal
Junior Member
You are mixing up two totally different features from MS.. Sharing plan and digital games management. Sharing plan has been axed currently. You can still log into another persons Xboxone with your account and play your digital games.
Like I posted earlier both MS and Sony will need to implement either a console activation limit or an online checkin so that this type of feature is not abused.
This is basically DRM.. Digital Rights management which are managed by your PSN/Gamertag.
Rogue_Ledr
Banned
See? They had family program all along people!
People were praising MS for this like it was God Sent,.Turns out, it is a standard next-gen feature.
People were praising MS for this like it was God Sent,.Turns out, it is a standard next-gen feature.
No I got that bit. My guess is you have to sign on to your own PSN. But it's still going to get abused by friends and family members lol.
Pubs won't allow this. There will be major limitations.
Moral Panic
Member
Very.
Either it can be registered to a couple consoles or like on the 360 and One you will need to be always online.
This is baseline shit. If Sony didn't do this it would be beyond stupid. They would essentially be the WiiU in terms of digital rights.
Vestal
Junior Member
Neither MS or Sony is that stupid.. They will either limit activation per console basis or require a checkin. There is no other way around it.
MikeE21286
Member
The best thing they could do to promote the advantages of digital games honestly.
Very cool.
Gaikai tech stuff paying off?
Very cool.
Gaikai tech stuff paying off?
Ok thank you, now we're on the same page.
DRM managed by PSN/GT is much preferable to the hourly online check in, IMO. Once the details about the activation limits come to light it doesn't take a stretch to imagine this being used to share digital games among trusted friends.
careless mango
Member
I don't know why people have so much Sony praise in this thread. Sony just killed your "two registered consoles on one account" feature on the PS4 that your PS3 currently has, aka that Ps3 game sharing "feature" that was never meant to be a way for you and a friend to own the same single purchase but ended up being used that way anyway.
sixteen-bit
Member
Yep
It's Family Sharing minus the 1 hour time trial, if you're happy to give your account itself to your family. It shouldn't be too difficult to see how that's not really the same thing at all.
Now what you could do is make all your purchases using a separate account that you don't mind handing over to people... which is something that I decided to do back in 2005 on XBL.
Oh, i think i didn't understand your post. I thought you meant the number of accounts allowed to share a game at the same time. My apologies.
The 360 has a always online requirement when you download on another console so that is still a real possibility with the PS4. It's an easier way for the user to not have to deal with deactivating. Allowing 2 offline consoles and the rest always online would be a nice mixture of PS3 and 360 policies though.
Vestal
Junior Member
Your gamer tag/PSNID is your identity on the system, your purchases(aka Digital Rights to software) is and always has been attached in some way to these tags. Originally on the XboxOne this also ment the physical copies of games. Now both systems basically offer same thing in regards to DRM.
It is left to be seen which of the two will implement a true Digital Sharing plan. It is a very risky proposition with the lack of restraint on the resale market. Like I said a month or so ago I believe that the reason the Sharing Plan was discussed was that it was predicated upon the limitation of the 2nd hand market.
Right, and then OPM tried to make a different story out of it with their attention-grabbing headline (same as the thread title here).
Which was announced in February, so it's not really new right?
careless mango
Member
Not exactly the same. The Feb stuff was that you could stream the game (OnLive/Gaikai-style) while downloading. This is more of a "download a bit of it first so you have enough to play and then download the rest while playing".
GravityMan
Member
This whole story is non-news. Nothing new here. Yawn.
No this has been a very well known feature. They never said you could stream the game through Gaikai while downloading. They only mentioned Gaikai with future prospects of game demos and full games. Download and play from digital and disc were always a key feature.