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[TastyWheat]

I wish MS would make external SSD adapter for Series X..

Honestly, this is probably going to be third party market. But I'm okay with that because it is external. This means we can stick an adapter and use PCI-E 4.0 drives with big heat sinks and the heat won't need to be expelled by the Xbox. If you put a hot SSD into the PS5 IF IT FITS, that will create issues and limit the type and size of drives.

 

[Ascend]

i guess some sort of popup will appear, to say, " ssd out of spec" or something like that

Sony has their own controller.
So "certified" means that controller on the ssd can be disabled and taken over by Sony.
Otherwise I have no idea how they can achieve even 1/4 of the speed.

it wouldn't work. It'll only make the drive available to format if it meets their specs.

Fine. But then technically it isn't any better than the Xbox solution of using a proprietary storage solution in that case, because the normal drives on the market are unusable anyway.

 

[psorcerer]

Fine. But then technically it isn't any better than the Xbox solution of using a proprietary storage solution in that case, because the normal drives on the market are unusable anyway.

We don't know. I think that Sony can pull that off with "off the shelf" drives that just disable on-drive controller and pass-through everything to Sony's controller when connected to PS5 instead of PC.

 

[Smaller than Atom]

Glad it's not proprietary (looking at you, Microsoft) but I can see this leading to consumer confusion.

Microsoft have a simple, understandable solution: need more space on your Xbox Series X for your Series X games? Buy an Xbox Series X hard drive. Everything else can go on a USB drive.

Sony have a more complicated solution. Need more space for your PS5? Here's a list of compatible drives, all of which will work, all of which have different specifications, manufacturers warranties, and costs.

Wow that's impossible to figure out! A list plus a choice. Yikes, xbox here I come.

 

[SmoothRunningGun]

Third parties aren't going to do anything creative with these drives given they still want to sell to millions of PC users with mechanical drives. So finally PC can hold back console.

 

[ZehDon]

Complicated? In months let alone a year they give you the freedom to buy whatever drive you want from whomever you want.

Wow that's impossible to figure out! A list plus a choice. Yikes, xbox here I come.

Consumers couldn't figure out the Wii U wasn't the Wii, and people are concerned consumers won't understand the brand new $499 Xbox Series X is an entirely new product, but you think they're ready to be handed a list of third party NVMe drives with varying specs to understand?
C'mon folks. We are literally in the middle of a toilet paper shortage caused by a response to a disease that doesn't cause diarrhoea. People need a big fucking sign with a big fucking arrow.
Microsoft want the process to be little more than walking into a store or Googling (Bing-ing?): "I need more megabytes for by Xbox". And I promise you - it's for a reason.

 

[Kenpachii]

Consumers couldn't figure out the Wii U wasn't the Wii, and people are concerned consumers won't understand the brand new $499 Xbox Series X is an entirely new product, but you think they're ready to be handed a list of third party NVMe drives with varying specs to understand?
C'mon folks. We are literally in the middle of a toilet paper shortage caused by a response to a disease that doesn't cause diarrhoea. People need a big fucking sign with a big fucking arrow.
Microsoft want the process to be little more than walking into a store or Googling (Bing-ing?): "I need more megabytes for by Xbox". And I promise you - it's for a reason.

I agree buying PC parts like nvme drive for a PS5 is going to be a total clusterfuck. Also will it extent or will it replace the internal SSD.

microsoft solution is far better.

Third parties aren't going to do anything creative with these drives given they still want to sell to millions of PC users with mechanical drives. So finally PC can hold back console.

I think the SSD in the sony console will be largely skipped by devs indeed. If it doesn't work that way on PC or xbox they won't care for it. It feels like the blu-ray drive in the PS3 vs PC xbox DVD solution. It never was useful.

 

[Panajev2001a]

I agree buying PC parts like nvme drive for a PS5 is going to be a total clusterfuck. Also will it extent or will it replace the internal SSD.

microsoft solution is far better.

Proprietary storage is now in and more pro-consumer than allowing people to buy (if they need extra storage) an SSD from the open market? This is bizzarre...

 

[VAVA Mk2]

Not Ferrari's fault if i buy a Ferrari and slap 14 inch wheels on it without doing proper research before purchase.

LOL more like a Nissan Leaf.

 

[CobraAB]

Wow.

Faster SSD is bad too.

 

[Kenpachii]

Proprietary storage is now in and more pro-consumer than allowing people to buy (if they need extra storage) an SSD from the open market? This is bizzarre...

Maybe its not for you hard, its surely not for me hard. But when people try to slam a wii-u disc into a wii, they sure as hell won't know what nvme drive is or what it does.

a simple usb stick for storage expansion is by far better solution for the casuals with a xbox series x logo on it and sold directly next towards it then having to watch a list of PC parts and buy it at a PC company.

Sony could have atleast started to partner up with a SSD manufacturer to provide a PS5 version of that SSD so people can upgrade straight out of the gate or expand if they want too.

 

[TastyWheat]

Maybe its not for you hard, its surely not for me hard. But when people try to slam a wii-u disc into a wii, they sure as hell won't know what nvme drive is or what it does.

a simple usb stick for storage expansion is by far better solution for the casuals with a xbox series x logo on it and sold directly next towards it then having to watch a list of PC parts and buy it at a PC company.

Sony could have atleast started to partner up with a SSD manufacturer to provide a PS5 version of that SSD so people can upgrade straight out of the gate or expand if they want too.

At the end of the day the XSX supports USB 3.2. That is 2.5GB/s support. A 25GB game takes 10 seconds to do a one time transfer. This is hardly going to be an issue whatsoever even with the normal hard drive, it will just require 30 seconds of one time loading.

The size of the internal storage is the main thing, many MANY people are not going to throw away their internal SSD and replace it with one that costs $300. They are merely going to expand their storage with a $300 external drive and do 10-20 second game transfers, this applies to PS5 AND the XSX. At 5 GB/s why would any throw away that fancy SSD? Just hook up an external and move the game. Done.

EDIT: USB 3.2 2x2 requires USB-C supposedly, so we will see what happens here. In any case, 10 seconds becomes 20 seconds, we still aren't sweating yet.

I stand by my point, instead of trying to insert another drive that is likely going to generate more heat and stuff it into the case, 95% of people are going to EXPAND their storage from 1 TB to 3TB for example instead of 1TB to 2TB. Why discard a perfectly good SSD. In fact, this is only a problem with the PS5, as XSX has external upgrade along with USB option.

 

[LMJ]

Lol looks like Sony learned their lesson from the Vita...

You hear that Microsoft, you better make those proprietary SSDs priced fairly lol (seriously that would have fixed the issue Sony)

 

[TastyWheat]

In fact, the XSX has a big price/value advantage on that first purchase since you won't be tossing out the internal drive:

XSX: Buy 2TB SSD, get 3TB of high speed SSD.

PS5: Buy 2TB SSD, get 2TB of high speed SSD.

If the PCI-E 4.0 SSD you put into the PS5 costs $300, you are paying $300 for 2TB, $150/TB.
With the XSX, if the SSD card costs $300, you are paying $300 for 3TB, $100/TB.

A 2TB XSX SSD card would need to cost $450 to present the same value as a $300 PS5 SSD.

 

[TastyWheat]

2 or 3 TB SSD card coupled with some SSD USB external drive for transfers is going to be PLENTY for my needs, way more than the typical consumer most likely. I have like 400 xbox one titles in my library and my 8TB external is not even halfway full, something absurd like that. I can hook up multiple USB drives to my XSX such as the one I already own and a future, USB 3.x SSD.

 

[Rightisright]

No doubt there will be a royalty free to pay Sony for this certification.

 

[darkinstinct]

They were not bullshiting when they said their SSD was faster than anything on the market. That is mind blowing. Another aspect that is being overlooked is their compression system can handle 20+GB/s. That's a crazy amount of data that can be moved in an instant. There will be no bottleneck in feeding the GPU data.

Of course there is a bottleneck. To actually deliver that data you need the CPU. Better CPU = more data. With the CPU being throttled (PS5 can run either GPU at 2.23 GHz or CPU at 3.5 GHz but not both at the same time) that's even less CPU power available to games.

This will lead to all that potential speed barely being used outside of first party games, because there is another console with 3.8 GHz fixed CPU and 2.4 GB/s SSD. Games will be built for a 3.4 GHz CPU with 2.4 GB/s.

 

[Filippos]

In fact, the XSX has a big price/value advantage on that first purchase since you won't be tossing out the internal drive:

XSX: Buy 2TB SSD, get 3TB of high speed SSD.

PS5: Buy 2TB SSD, get 2TB of high speed SSD.

If the PCI-E 4.0 SSD you put into the PS5 costs $300, you are paying $300 for 2TB, $150/TB.
With the XSX, if the SSD card costs $300, you are paying $300 for 3TB, $100/TB.

A 2TB XSX SSD card would need to cost $450 to present the same value as a $300 PS5 SSD.

What? You can only replace the internal SSD? not get like a second SSD and use both at the same how? What? Is this real?
how do you swap them then? What about all the Data? Re download everything?

and what about the internal ssd then? Just throw it in the trash? lol

 

[rofif]

Most nvme are 3gb/s pcie x3. I have mp510 1tb myself and even get a bit better results on x570 board. But not 5gb

 

[Connxtion]

The way I see it is both systems will have proprietary devices, XSEX out the box, PS5 down the line when custom made NVMe devices specific for PS5 appear.

I see the same for Xbox but in reverse, unless MS do what they done with the 360 (XB1 you could swap a drive with ease) we will see converters or custom NVMe devices from 3rd party down the line.

it's a none issue right now, but 825GB with the system overhead and cache partitions, I suspect about 600GB for the end user. So at some point folk will be forking over the same amount of cash the system cost just for a 1-2TB NVMe drive.

Edit: spelling.

 

[lukilladog]

That sucks, those drives will come at a premium for about 12/24 months, that´s the PC market for you.

 

[GHG]

Proprietary storage is now in and more pro-consumer than allowing people to buy (if they need extra storage) an SSD from the open market? This is bizzarre...

People will tell themselves wild things to justify their favourite company taking a shit in their mouth.

There is nothing good that has ever come out of proprietary solutions, both from a cost and a choice perspective.

This is probably the only good news that came out of the reveal yesterday and credit needs to be given where it's due.

Once compatible drives start appearing on the market then there will be plenty of choices and plenty of competition which will drive prices down. The NVMe can also be used outside of the PS5 should you wish so it's not disposable trash that only works specifically for a single console.

People saying it will cause confusion are talking out of their arse, the console will likely have measures in place to prevent incompatible and uncertified from drives from even being used by the OS.

Never thought I'd see the day when people are trying to twist an anti-consumer practice into being pro-consumer while saying the pro-consumer stance is anti-consumer. Fucking lunatics.

 

[TastyWheat]

What? You can only replace the internal SSD? not get like a second SSD and use both at the same how? What? Is this real?
how do you swap them then? What about all the Data? Re download everything?

and what about the internal ssd then? Just throw it in the trash? lol

There's no way they have space for two drives internally. The SSD is tossed in the trash or sold to someone who broke theirs. That's it

 

[sinnergy]

So you have to check a website to see if a drive works with PS5, how would your parents and grand parents know what to get ? I see a lot of disappointed kids this Christmas.

It's better to be clear like Microsoft. Maybe 5 bucks more expensive but you can't buy wrong.

 

[Grinchy]

So you have to check a website to see if a drive works with PS5, how would your parents and grand parents know what to get ? I see a lot of disappointed kids this Christmas.

It better to be clear like Microsoft.

Were parents and grandparents buying their kids and grandkids higher capacity hard drives for the PS3 and PS4?

My grandparents got me a LEGO set once. That was pretty sweet. But mostly it was clothes.

 

[sinnergy]

Were parents and grandparents buying their kids and grandkids higher capacity hard drives for the PS3 and PS4?

My grandparents got me a LEGO set once. That was pretty sweet. But mostly it was clothes.

Mine did, even got Super Mario Land 2: The six golden coins.

 

[phil_t98]

People will tell themselves wild things to justify their favourite company taking a shit in their mouth.

There is nothing good that has ever come out of proprietary solutions, both from a cost and a choice perspective.

This is probably the only good news that came out of the reveal yesterday and credit needs to be given where it's due.

Once compatible drives start appearing on the market then there will be plenty of choices and plenty of competition which will drive prices down. The NVMe can also be used outside of the PS5 should you wish so it's not disposable trash that only works specifically for a single console.

People saying it will cause confusion are talking out of their arse, the console will likely have measures in place to prevent incompatible and uncertified from drives from even being used by the OS.

Never thought I'd see the day when people are trying to twist an anti-consumer practice into being pro-consumer while saying the pro-consumer stance is anti-consumer. Fucking lunatics.

the thing with how Microsoft have done it is you know what you buy it that it will work, with buying another drive it will be guess work in the beginning. I am hoping third parties can make the storage add-on for series x to so that prices can be cheaper

 

[BattleScar]

You all act as if after the PS5 has sold 10-15 million units, SSD manufacturers won't be falling over themselves making "Made for PlayStation" branded drives. Heck even if they don't do it themselves, Sony can be proactive and develop a branding initiative for drives that meet specifications.
The advantage for consumers is the there will be multiple sources competing with each other, driving prices down faster.

 

[GHG]

the thing with how Microsoft have done it is you know what you buy it that it will work, with buying another drive it will be guess work in the beginning. I am hoping third parties can make the storage add-on for series x to so that prices can be cheaper

This has always been the case for proprietary solutions, it's nothing new. It's literally the primary way they are marketed to people.

You see this more expensive thing that you have zero choice over and can't be used anywhere else? Well at least it's guaranteed to work!

In a world where apple got away with the lightning cable nothing surprises me anymore, people really have stopped thinking for themselves.

 

[Pallas]

This is going to be pretty expensive at first I take it? I'm not entirely sure if there are any SSD's that fast even on the market. So it's not proprietary but in a sense it is just not by the literal definition.

Consumers couldn't figure out the Wii U wasn't the Wii, and people are concerned consumers won't understand the brand new $499 Xbox Series X is an entirely new product, but you think they're ready to be handed a list of third party NVMe drives with varying specs to understand?
C'mon folks. We are literally in the middle of a toilet paper shortage caused by a response to a disease that doesn't cause diarrhoea.[/B]People need a big fucking sign with a big fucking arrow.
Microsoft want the process to be little more than walking into a store or Googling (Bing-ing?): "I need more megabytes for by Xbox". And I promise you - it's for a reason.

Not saying this is the reason why everyone is buying insane amount of toilet paper but on rare occasions Covid-19 can spread to the digestive tract and rectum abd cause digestive and diarrhea issues. It might even start to become common.

 

[Panajev2001a]

Maybe its not for you hard, its surely not for me hard. But when people try to slam a wii-u disc into a wii, they sure as hell won't know what nvme drive is or what it does.

a simple usb stick for storage expansion is by far better solution for the casuals with a xbox series x logo on it and sold directly next towards it then having to watch a list of PC parts and buy it at a PC company.

Sony could have atleast started to partner up with a SSD manufacturer to provide a PS5 version of that SSD so people can upgrade straight out of the gate or expand if they want too.

Was PS Vita's just a misunderstood by fanboys attempt to help users avoid bad and slow confusing SD cards choice?

 

[longdi]

Proprietary storage is now in and more pro-consumer than allowing people to buy (if they need extra storage) an SSD from the open market? This is bizzarre...

It really depends.
By having licensed memory, MS can justify to eat more console hardware costs and that benefits consumer buying more power for their dollars. Especially those who dont need more than 1tb. I guess with compression, next gen games will take lesser storage.

Besides both expandable storage will be expensive, it is just MS taking a cut.

It's a win win for them, and way smarter decision

 

[ethomaz]

Certification just means that drive won't affect the overall performance of the hardware.

You can still put any standard NVMe driver but the non-certificates can not delivery the performance you expected.

 

[Hideous Snake]

Sony's asking for trouble. Someone is going to put a slow drive in there, messing up the whole performance of the console and then blame the PS5 for it.

Then Sony must not allow any slow drive to work in the first place

 

[KlickKlack]

0, that's how many.

and when in 1 year or so compatible drives are out they will cost easy 300-500€.

the fastest ssd drives today have big cooling blocks on these and this make it big and not compatible with a laptop like slot in a console....

 

[Max_Po]

Unless it is something PCIe 4.0 related BS, those NVMe HDD don't generate heat. I have seen clowns put 5x bigger heat sink and LEDS on those.... to show off their "PC BUILD"

I think Certified only means it needs to be PCIe 4.0 with read of 5.5 gig/sec .....


LMAO @ xbots being un-realistic. Don't you people remember Xbox360 HDD ? MS's accessories are extremely overpriced. Yea third party my ass.

 

[Wandering Leopard]

i guess some sort of popup will appear, to say, " ssd out of spec" or something like that

I don't even think there's a need, people already have a lot of different devices and if they try to plug something in that isn't compatible it either won't fit or simply wont respond.

Communication will be important though.

And non proprietary is always better than proprietary.

 

[ethomaz]

No doubt there will be a royalty free to pay Sony for this certification.

Are you sure what certification means?

Take a look at G-sync compatible certification... it just makes sure you won't have issue using that monitor with G-sync.
You can use any other monitor your own risk.

 

[TastyWheat]

Unless it is something PCIe 4.0 related BS, those NVMe HDD don't generate heat. I have seen clowns put 5x bigger heat sink and LEDS on those.... to show off their "PC BUILD"

I think Certified only means it needs to be PCIe 4.0 with read of 5.5 gig/sec .....


LMAO @ xbots being un-realistic. Don't you people remember Xbox360 HDD ? MS's accessories are extremely overpriced. Yea third party my ass.

If you think they don't produce heat then you have no idea how electronics work and have lost all credibility.

If people put drive that don't perform after extended usage into their ps5 then they have lost the advantage it gives.

 

[VFXVeteran]

I think these fast drives will be very expensive. I don't see most gamers buying them tbh.

 

[TastyWheat]

Are you sure what certification means?

Take a look at G-sync compatible certification... it just assume you won't have issue using that monitor with G-sync.
You can use any other monitor your own risk.

Nvidia only allowed freesync since last year, they needed to release new drivers.

I doubt Sony certifies them anyway, rather validated them with a simple list.

 

[MadViking]

What? You can only replace the internal SSD? not get like a second SSD and use both at the same how? What? Is this real?
how do you swap them then? What about all the Data? Re download everything?

and what about the internal ssd then? Just throw it in the trash? lol

Same like PS4. But I don't think it is confirmed if it will be replacing internal one or additional slot.

 

[TastyWheat]

Same like PS4. But I don't think it is confirmed if it will be replacing internal one or additional slot.

So they can have dual controllers and double the bandwidth? Not a chance they double the custom silicon area simply for future expansion in my mind. They would cut the drive size in half and use it before they build all that custom stuff twice and only put a drive in one side.

 

[GHG]

I think these fast drives will be very expensive. I don't see most gamers buying them tbh.

Thankfully as more options become available and the various manufacturers compete with each other the prices will get driven down due to usual market forces.

There will also never be a scenario where the drives become in short supply or get discontinued in the future towards the end or after the consoles lifecycle.

Same like PS4. But I don't think it is confirmed if it will be replacing internal one or additional slot.

Yeh it's still unknown as to whether the original drive needs to be replaced or if there's a spare slot somewhere. I'd be surprised if it wasn't the latter but considering the mad decisions Sony seem to be making at the moment I wouldn't hold my breath.

 

[Rightisright]

Are you sure what certification means?

Take a look at G-sync compatible certification... it just makes sure you won't have issue using that monitor with G-sync.
You can use any other monitor your own risk.

Yep, and I am sure that they will want the "PS5 Approved" stamp on the box, which they will have to pay for.
Hey, if they want to make money off Sony's console, why shouldn't Sony get a cut?

 

[VFXVeteran]

Thankfully as more options become available and the various manufacturers compete with each other the prices will get driven down due to usual market forces.

There will also never be a scenario where the drives become in short supply or get discontinued in the future towards the end or after the consoles lifecycle.

Well, yea if you are talking about end of cycle. I was thinking more short term like early next year the drives will be for sale.

 

[GHG]

Well, yea if you are talking about end of cycle. I was thinking more short term like early next year the drives will be for sale.

Yeh the compatible drives lost won't be big initially but at least there's the opportunity for that list to flesh out over time. Far better than only ever having a single option.

 

[TheBreezyBB]

I think these fast drives will be very expensive. I don't see most gamers buying them tbh.

Not in the next 2 years at least. The prices will go down and it will be much cheaper to buy a 2TB Certified SSD than a 500GB+ Certified SSD when the PS5 launches.

 

[longdi]

Well, yea if you are talking about end of cycle. I was thinking more short term like early next year the drives will be for sale.

You know with external cards, anyone can buy and use them like usb drives, easy in easy out. Fully certified with the correct heat sinking.

While Sony solution need you to open up and fiddle with screw and exposed drives and all. Even Mark mentioned about different type of heat sink.

Sorry but MS again showed they put 100% effort designing the series 1 ecosystem.

MS memory solution wins too. As long as the mark up is not too high, $30-50 for plug and play seems fair

 

[mitchman]

Sony's asking for trouble. Someone is going to put a slow drive in there, messing up the whole performance of the console and then blame the PS5 for it.

PS5 can easily just reject drives outside the approved list.