If they added digital store credit for trading in games I deleted and never intend to play again, it would benefit me personally as I really am always online. But I am not disagreeing with your general premise that this could be a net negative for consumers overall. Nor am I saying Connor is necessarily wrong that this would be a good thing. I only disagree with the doubling down on the suggestion that there are no games you can play without an internet connection, or that very few people would be affected.
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PS5 And Xbox Scarlett To Be ‘Always Connected Online’ According To NHL 20 Dev.
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Afro Republican
Banned
Don't worry guys, Elon Musk sent 5000 death satellites to beam 5G down to earth to give everyone a great intetnect collection in exchange for your brains frying and giving you cancer.
Everythings FINE guys get COMFORTABLE.
Everythings FINE guys get COMFORTABLE.
SmoothRunningGun
Member
Seems like speculation. Plenty of people in the US have data caps and/or shit speed. Games are only going to get bigger.
bitbydeath
Member
Seriously misleading thread title.
Codes 208
Member
It is just speculation. He literally says “I think...”
grumpyGamer
Member
Doubt it, really stupid move if that is true
CrisPy2019
Member
Does this mean Sony and Ms will pay for my internet access? Because they will constantly use it ? Nice!
No you say? Well then I guess that's a FUCKOFF.
No need for a console I can't play in 10 years. I'm a collector and I want every console to be a retro console one day. Won't work without offline mode. And then buying physical to collect also makes no sense anymore.
Hardpass
No you say? Well then I guess that's a FUCKOFF.
No need for a console I can't play in 10 years. I'm a collector and I want every console to be a retro console one day. Won't work without offline mode. And then buying physical to collect also makes no sense anymore.
Hardpass
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SLoWMoTIoN
Unconfirmed Member
The fact that Sony's entire thing was not always on drm/physical games makes me question this.
Yoshi
Headmaster of Console Warrior Jugendstrafanstalt
What about preservation, user rights, ownership? It is way more than just worrying about connection failing on your end every once and a while.
Always online is precisely the consumer-hating bullshit it was identified as in 2013. What are advantages of enforcing an online connection? I cannot see a single one on the consumer side. There is nothing that is an advantage for the player in forcing them to be online over recommending it.
Played through this year (don't mind the ratings, they are just there for friends at another forum), current gen in bold:
- Ratchet & Clank Size Matters 2/10
- Ratchet & Clank 2 4/10
- Ratchet & Clank 3 4/10
- Pac-Man World 7/10
- Spyro Enter the Dragonfly 2/10
- Tak (4) Geheimnis des glühenden Kristalls 6/10
- Pac-Man World 2 7/10
- Poi Explorer Edition 8/10
- Jersey Devil 5/10
- Sly Cooper (4): Thieves in Time 5/10
- Toy Story 2 5/10
- American McGee's Alice 1/10
- Alice Madness Returns 5/10
- Spyro A Hero's Tail 4/10
- Sly Raccoon 6/10
- Blinx The Time Sweeper 5/10
- Pac-Man World 3 5/10
- Ty 2 Bush Rescue 3/10
- Voodoo Vince 6/10
- Blinx 2: Masters of Time and Space 7/10
- Scaler 6/10
- Pac-Man und die Geisterabenteuer 6/10
- Mad Dash Racing 4/10
- Pac-Man und die Geisterabenteuer 2 6/10
- Sly 2 4/10
- Akuji The Heartless 3/10
- Tak 3 (DS) 3/10
- Sly 3 4/10
- Mushroom Men 5/10
- Space Chimps 5/10
- FreezeMe 6/10
- Final Fantasy VI 7/10
- Yoshi's Crafted World 8/10
- Axiom Verge 8/10
That is a list of 18 current gen games I played through or plan on playing through this or next year. Also a list of old games which would very likely be unplayable today if they had online enforcement.
SonGoku
Member
Theres no benefit to always online drm
I highly doubt pubs will let you trade digital games and even if they did, always online drm woulnt be necesary to prevent abuse.
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I am not an overly tech savvy person, but how would they know that you didn't trade the game in while deleting it, and then reinstall it from a backup without drm?
SonGoku
Member
You are talking about physical or digital?
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Meowzers
Member
I'm online on my console 100% and most of the time I play offline games and I'm fine and even when the internet goes down for a minute or 2 sometimes, I'm playing offline games so it doesn't bother me.
But knowing that I could be kicked out of my game or something without it saving, that could be a disaster. But, even with phones when the internet drops, you can still do things so it's not a complete paper-weight and I think that's what will happen to consoles if it goes ahead.
But knowing that I could be kicked out of my game or something without it saving, that could be a disaster. But, even with phones when the internet drops, you can still do things so it's not a complete paper-weight and I think that's what will happen to consoles if it goes ahead.
funking giblet
Member
Hey my phone is always online, so who gives a shit!
Yoshi
Headmaster of Console Warrior Jugendstrafanstalt
Keep a local list of games you own licenses to on the home system (i.e. the one that lets you play offline with no strings attached), check for any game on an external device, whether it is on the list. If it is not, do not start the game. This would be the least intrusive way. You could also be more radical and demand for any medium that holds digital copies of games, you need to activate them online whenever connecting them, to check whether it contains stuff you do not have licenses to anymore, in order to remove them.
SonGoku
Member
For digital it woulnt be an issue at all, just require a check when installing from an external HDD. Maybe even the OS could detect the backup no longer has a valid license
But anyways i highly doubt pubs will let you trade digital games for credit.
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Exactly I bet all these people moaning don’t even know if their console is connected online or not,and what fkin reason does it matter if it is,makes no difference to anything.
Some people just moan about something for the sake of it..
CyberPanda
Banned
HDMI is drm too. Fuck
bitbydeath
Member
It also works offline.
PontiusFeeb
Member
It might be funny if Microsoft faked Sony out by telling them they were going online-only too, but at the last second they showed a video at E3 of Don Mattrick lending Phil Spenser a disc by hand.
EverydayBeast
thinks Halo Infinite is a new graphical benchmark
Good fit with modern times, I thought everyone had their gaming consoles connected to the internet anyway.
ResilientBanana
Member
Oh but what if they want to play it in the middle of the woods?
As a calculator maybe?
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EverydayBeast
thinks Halo Infinite is a new graphical benchmark
You could play in the middle of the woods but I wouldn't advise such a wild idea.
bitbydeath
Member
To make phone calls...
KingdomHeartsFan
Member
Like 90+% of my 200ish games on PS4 I would play perfectly fine offline with no patches. Sure there are some like FFXV that take a huge hit that I don't include, but the vast majority are fine. People seriously exaggerating what games NEED to be online.
Pallas
Member
That wasn’t the only reason, everyone knows that and don’t say “Sony has to be dumb to pull a 2013 Xbox” with what they did with the launch PS3. Both corporations have done some dumb shit.
People didn’t really have a viable choice, other than resort to gaming on Xbox which made no sense since they also charge a subscription fee, stick to the PS3 or get into PC gaming, which probably isn’t a good alternative if you are solely a console player. If Sony does go through with this, someone will say “Well most people will be ok with it if so and so, etc” just like you are with paid online.
Technically you got to have reception, I think that alone means you’re connected.
Edit: I do believe we are jumping to conclusions though. Since a hellpoint dev has neither said yes or no about this. Can’t believe EA.
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KungFucius
King Snowflake
Fuck that. If I move across the country for a job and wanted to play an offline game on a console while waiting for the internet to be hooked up in my new house I would want to be able to do so. As a PC gamer first, I tend to boot my console up so rarely that the above is about as unlikely to ever matter if I move as me moving is likely to happen, but so what I want my freedom.
bitbydeath
Member
JustP_Gaming
Banned
Do we really care anymore? Think about it. Your cell phone is always connected your tv is always connected your PC is always connected. This has been the new reality for a long while. You cannot stop the progression of technology. Roll with it or get rolled over.
Pallas
Member
Yeah but don’t you need that cellular data to use apps and other services if you aren’t on a WiFi? If your cellular data is too degraded you can’t even make a simple phone call or text.
bitbydeath
Member
Nope. Have you seen all the times Xbox goes down and the flood of complaints which follows about being unable to play ANY games?
bitbydeath
Member
It’s a consistent signal though. If you have a spot that works it will always work.
ResilientBanana
Member
... Offline? I wouldn't consider that offline.
bitbydeath
Member
It’d take quite the disaster for mobiles to stop working. That’s nothing like the internet where all it takes is a strong breeze.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
That's NOT "ALWAYS" online though. How can some people not understand the difference?
Mochilador
Member
I really hope he's wrong about it.
JustP_Gaming
Banned
Let's look at historical data.. How many times has it gone down in the last 12months?
The Alien
Banned
What a dumb douche! (him, not you).Fortunately, we have a product for people who aren't able to get some form of connectivity, it's called Xbox 360.
Riven326
Banned
Yeah well, it won't be me, so...
bitbydeath
Member
At least twice possibly more but I don’t follow it that closely.
Cynn
Member
People were absolutely certain PlayStation would never have paid online as well. Sony isn’t a good guy. They’re just slow to adopt industry trends.