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PS5 "Slim" teardown by Dave2D
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LordOfChaos
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Odd. No power use difference in his testing.
LordOfChaos
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Wait, what? He thinks the chip is the same too. I'm not sure if he's just eyeballing it and needs to use calipers to find a difference, but I don't think they could have dropped cooling by this much without a die shrink?
Unknown Soldier
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The final revision Phats already had a die shrink and a much smaller heatsink. It's not inconceivable that they could shrink the casing size in the Slim while keeping the same chip and heatsink assembly design from the final Phats.
Sony already went to 6nm before this new model. I always assumed it would still be on 6nm.
onnextflix5
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Still looks like it's on 6nm soc, wait for real slim next year 
LordOfChaos
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6nm wasn't a full node jump, just a revision off 7nm
I just would have expected at least a die shrunk for as much as heatsinks have shrunk. If it actually is the same chip and the die shrink just isn't visible eyeballing it and he needed to take calipers by it (I don't think they'd fill enough any added silicon to negate the density gain, if they even added anything which isn't apparent), I guess the last phat version had enough heat savings after all, but I was just expecting a shrink.
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Unknown Soldier
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Honestly the next jump from 7nm/6nm is the still very expensive 4nm/3nm node that Sony is not going to pay top dollar for. That's why most people think Super Switch will still be at 8nm or whatever the equivalent is these days.
ZoukGalaxy
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I really prefer the original model as fat it is and I really hate with passions that semi-glossy panels despite liked them on PS4 (the rectangular shapes fitted better I think with the semi glossy), we'll get used to I guess ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
And what's bother me much more is the mandatory internet for the disc drive activation, it's a pure aberration that defeat the whole purpose of offline gaming with a physical disc (yes, you can play any game without any updates with version 1.0 in 2023 on a PS5, it's an urban legend that you can't and that's why the GOLD version step exists, and rare exceptions are, well, exceptions).
Won't talk about Xbox, they obviously leaving the physical market and pushing everyone to digital, ridiculous for me (or not since that subjective).
I just wonder if the version coming with a disc drive pre-installed needs an online activation too or are preactivated at factory (and that would be a game changer regarding this concern).
On the good side, we still have the liquid metal, nice.
And what's bother me much more is the mandatory internet for the disc drive activation, it's a pure aberration that defeat the whole purpose of offline gaming with a physical disc (yes, you can play any game without any updates with version 1.0 in 2023 on a PS5, it's an urban legend that you can't and that's why the GOLD version step exists, and rare exceptions are, well, exceptions).
Won't talk about Xbox, they obviously leaving the physical market and pushing everyone to digital, ridiculous for me (or not since that subjective).
I just wonder if the version coming with a disc drive pre-installed needs an online activation too or are preactivated at factory (and that would be a game changer regarding this concern).
On the good side, we still have the liquid metal, nice.
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Mr.Phoenix
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6nm took the PS5 from 320mm2 to ~250mm2. That is a sizeable reduction. And some of us pointed out in some other thread that there were already significant size reductions made in the latest version of the PS5 phat, this seems like they just made a smaller casing while keeping everything else the same.
If anyone asks me, I think this is what the PS5 should have been at launch.
Unknown?
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It's really to prevent piracy, so thank the pirates that they have to resort to an online check.
CherryFalls
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//DEVIL//
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I am not going to trade or change my cfi 12xx spider man 2 limited edition for the ps5 slim. I don't even care about it . Just wanted how is it in terms of heat and noise.
I was blessed with delta fan that is dead silent and my ps5 is 50 cm away from me only under my gaming monitor. And it's not hot at all. I highly doubt the ps5 slim will be as silent . ( Aside from chill influencers trying to promote this thing on YouTube ).
If anything it has few negative points in my book that I don't like and I haven't seen the console yet.
- the shiny plastic in the middle will be harder to cover than standard not curved in the middle ps5 slim . I already have one from dbrand on my ps5
- the ps5 slim out of the box doesn't have any rubber feet under the blue ray drive plate. It will just sit flat on the plate on your table. Not only it will scratch to hell and back . It will also not be firm on the tv table or desk. If you try to buy some pads , it will need some on the other side too and that side is exposed so it will look funny.
- the stand that comes with the console. ..bruh. it's the same thing you get from a pizza box. How cheap can they be ? its a 500$ console ffs. The ps5 stand makes look like it's floating in the air. Not garbage like this.
I was blessed with delta fan that is dead silent and my ps5 is 50 cm away from me only under my gaming monitor. And it's not hot at all. I highly doubt the ps5 slim will be as silent . ( Aside from chill influencers trying to promote this thing on YouTube ).
If anything it has few negative points in my book that I don't like and I haven't seen the console yet.
- the shiny plastic in the middle will be harder to cover than standard not curved in the middle ps5 slim . I already have one from dbrand on my ps5
- the ps5 slim out of the box doesn't have any rubber feet under the blue ray drive plate. It will just sit flat on the plate on your table. Not only it will scratch to hell and back . It will also not be firm on the tv table or desk. If you try to buy some pads , it will need some on the other side too and that side is exposed so it will look funny.
- the stand that comes with the console. ..bruh. it's the same thing you get from a pizza box. How cheap can they be ? its a 500$ console ffs. The ps5 stand makes look like it's floating in the air. Not garbage like this.
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Lagspike_exe
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I doubt 5nm PS5 is coming any time soon. There's no capacity before everyone makes a mass transition to 3nm. PS5 Pro at 5/4nm is much more realistic.
So, it still consumes the same amount of power? I was hoping for a much more efficient design. I will keep my original PS5.
BTW, now I am even more impressed with Series X engineers. It performs similar to the PS5 but it consumes up to 30% less power when running the same games. Without mentioning that is quieter and smaller.
BTW, now I am even more impressed with Series X engineers. It performs similar to the PS5 but it consumes up to 30% less power when running the same games. Without mentioning that is quieter and smaller.
Mr.Phoenix
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Really? this just reads to me like someone trying to manufacture concerns. I mean, we can have our preferences, but those are just that, preferences, and they are subjective.
Eg... I prefer the look of this console, I even prefer the stand, seems far more stable than the nonsense that came with the OG PS5. And I don know how it would scratch, like how do people play their consoes?
I wasn't gonna say anything about this, but I really have to ask, has there been a reported case of PS5 SSDs overheating because of some horrible cooling solution?
NeonGhost
uses 'M$' - What year is it? Not 2002.
No but still isn't good for the ssd. Tests have shown removing the plate can get you 10 degrees cooler
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Mr.Phoenix
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having a chip that is bigger can do that... and all that comes with that.
truth be told, as for as hardware engineering goes, you have got your impressed meter all wrong. What Sony accomplished, is more of an engineering feat than what MS did.
Investor9872
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That's 10 degrees hotter for the internal systems to dissipate.
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NeonGhost
uses 'M$' - What year is it? Not 2002.
lol fan cools that down quicker than it would actually have any effect of anything internally compared the ssd sitting in a hotbox
3liteDragon
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I'll stick with my current PS5, will maybe switch when the Pro's out.
NomenNescio
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Couldn't be uglier even if they tried. Now featuring a pizza saver as the horizontal stand. This is terrible, embarrassing hardware design.
nosoynadie22
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I'm not wrong, I just value an efficient system much more. If Sony's engineers did something spectacular, it's not a thing I see in my everyday life. On the contrary, a huge console, not to say ugly, that draws a lot more energy and even makes more noise. And that sometimes, like AW2, performes quite worse. Detail, they cost the same thing and, plus, I still personally think the Xbox is much prettier.
So yes, I personally value Series X hardware engineers much more.
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//DEVIL//
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Its not. they are about the same. you have to add the silicon lottery and the lequid metal etc can be more lucky for others than some. thus the 1 degree difference.
what I am wondering though, as its not super clear in this video, are they using the same size fan ? I couldn't tell from the video.
but over all though ? I honestly do not like the design at all. the floating old ps5 is much better looking than this. especially in black.
fan size looks identical to me at a cursory glance. The old PS5 had space on the other side of the fan which has been shrunk/removed.
I imagine the fan was still running at normal operating speed for a 1db difference, and that's a logarithmic scale.
In the test the slim was dissipating more heat while making less noise so even with the silicon lottery the heat to noise ratio seems to have improved meaning more slims are likely to be quieter for the same heat dissipation. I'll wait for more tests though since he did call them "crude". Maybe he wasn't at the same distance or something.
Magic Carpet
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the Horizontal solution probly works better than the launch units slide around stand. Looks worse IMHO.
Its got more base SSD at the very least.
Its got more base SSD at the very least.
Mr.Phoenix
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you know one is 12TF and the other is 10TF right? Ah well, to each his own.
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//DEVIL//
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Did he mention what version of PS5 he has ? because for all we know it could be the 1015 version.
i do not have any measuring tools but my 1205 has no noise or much warm heat going out from the back. dissipating so much heat is probably due to the system smaller size so the air dissipation is limited compared to the original PS5 that is well
ventilated.
That kinda proves his point though. Not more advanced per say,. but on paper more powerful in less form factor with less noise and heat than the original CFI 1015 model. ( I would say the 1205 and XSX are about same noise).
XSX Engineering team really should get credit for their amazing engineering.
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It's the 1200 series he's using. It's in the video description.
mckmas8808
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That's for this info. So it's about 50% lighter than the PS5 Launch console. That's amazing!
Unknown Soldier
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You're supposed to leave the metal plate on because cool air is channeled through the SSD bay by the case and fan design. But you still need an SSD with an attached heatsink to dissipate heat.
NeonGhost
uses 'M$' - What year is it? Not 2002.
No air moves through that thing tests have been done
What I want to know is why did they make the curve a corner next to the fan to make it look bigger than it is. It's just hollow plastic there it seems.
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Imtjnotu
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its a vacuum behind it that pulls air away. youre better off buying a heatsink for it off amazon
NeonGhost
uses 'M$' - What year is it? Not 2002.
You're better putting a heatsink on and leaving the plate off
Mr.Phoenix
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No it doesnt. I could get into it, but I think I have said it best already.
you are not cutting edge in engineering if all you have done is put the biggest chip you could put and keep clocks well below the rated specification of the architecture. Nothing original or impressive about that, its literally how consoles have been designed since 2012. Put chip in, underclock it, and strap on the biggest cooler you can on it. Done.
oh, and that approach cost more. But this is well-known. Beginning to wonder why we are even talking about it now.
That's like calling the 40xx series GPUs poorly designed because of how big their heat sinks are. When that problem could easily be solved if they just drop its clocks by half... here is some food for thought, can you imagine how much more powerful the series X would have been if it used a cooling system like the PS5, was a little bigger, and actually clocked its APU to the limits of what the architecture allowed? Could have been an 18-20tF console.
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Agreed, MS eating costs with a big chip and low supply/demand isn't an amazing feat in engineering. Especially when it isn't showing much in terms of advantages in games. I would say even in form factor now that the slim is out the volume of the PS5 is much smaller than the current X. Not to mention that "draws a lot more energy" is simply wrong. AFAIK the XSX didn't get any revisions and the power draw of the XSX and PS5 are roughly the same since PS5 got a die shrink.
//DEVIL//
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What are you talking about??? he is talking about the size of the Xbox Series X design compared to the PS5. has nothing to do with power. the way the Xbox was stacked in that form factor and still cool and quite is amazing. better than the PS5 fat and slim.
anyway . back to topic. slim looks ugly. you like it. everyone is happy.
He was talking about power draw where he is simply wrong and form factor the XSX is much chunkier in terms of volume than the PS5 slim. Aesthetics are subjective but that's not a feat in engineering.
"a huge console, not to say ugly, that draws a lot more energy"
Everything about this was wrong except his own opinion which can't be wrong since it's his opinion.
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//DEVIL//
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Was he talking about the power draw ? lol.
Thought we are talking about consoles design. that's why I said what I Said. again. these are just opinions. we all have different opinions anyway.
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