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[Metalmurphy]

I'm taking neither party's word at face-value. Nobody should.

If Anon did this then they deserve whatever shitstorm is coming their way. However, they also make a convenient scapegoat that would be difficult to disprove.

You do realize that the FBI and several third party investigators are on this right? Would they just flat out lie about that file?

 

[Sblargh]

I'm taking neither party's word at face-value. Nobody should.

If Anon did this then they deserve whatever shitstorm is coming their way. However, they also make a convenient scapegoat that would be difficult to disprove.

I'm taking the part whose servers were being monitored by the FBI when they made an official notification to the US house of representatives at face-value.

 

[SolsticeZero]

Well it seems PSN+ members get their missing days back plus 30 days that should please IGN.

It's IGN. They'll find something else to bitch about.

 

[mentalfloss]

I have a feeling Sony just made up that Anonymous thing so that they have someone to go after.

 

[Killthee]

So what happens to PSN+ subscribers whose subscriptions have ended during the down time with auto-renew on? My three month subscription ends in a week or two and I was planning to turn off auto-renew the week before it ran out, but since PSN is down I can't get in to change the settings.
In the off chance that PSN is still down by time it expires, am I going to get charged for three more months of PSN+ without a way to stop it? I realise that they said PSN would be back up this week but I'm just thinking of the worst case scenario.

The most likely scenario is that all subscription renewals wont occur because their transaction processes are offline and will stay offline until the store comes back online in a couple of weeks. When it goes online the system will most likely automatically update everyone's expiration date with the new 30 day + amount of downtime date.

 

[pharmboy044]

What about Anonymous being fuckin douches by releasing personal information of individuals whose relatives work at Sony?

 

[alr1ght]

I have a feeling Sony just made up that Anonymous thing so that they have someone to go after.

yeah, I'm sure they want to lie to the FBI.

 

[SolsticeZero]

I have a feeling Sony just made up that Anonymous thing so that they have someone to go after.

While they could have, the origin of that file and the date of creation can be traced. And with the FBI looking on the servers, they would be wise not to make that shit up.

 

[LiK]

yeah, I'm sure they want to lie to the FBI.

or Congress. some serious bizness.

 

[Abylim]

The non-patched Apache vulnerability is how the hackers got in, according to Sony. Yeah that screams ineptitude, or at the least a lack of caution.

Fair enough, not 100% sure what it is, but I could see how some could see it as preventable. Not exactly what I'd call inept, but I guess thats just me.

 

[Salaadin]

You do realize that the FBI and several third party investigators are on this right? Would they just flat out lie about that file?

Their reputation already took a nice hit, might as well lower it further by lieing to the US Govt, right?

 

[webrunner]

People don't sincerely identify as Anonymous if they dont have one of two reasons for doing things:

1. The lulz
2. Hacktivism.

"Cuz they're greedy evil fucker criminals" isn't the Anonymous MO. Neither is denying things.

 

[black_vegeta]

I have a feeling Sony just made up that Anonymous thing so that they have someone to go after.

You need to floss your brain more.

 

[railGUN]

Its called misdirection folks.

 

[Dexa]

lol - RRR

thats his signature?

 

[DailyVacation]

People don't sincerely identify as Anonymous if they dont have one of two reasons for doing things:

1. The lulz
2. Hacktivism.

"Cuz they're greedy evil fucker criminals" isn't the Anonymous MO. Neither is denying things.

Yes, if they want to make a statement, they do so in the Anon banner. If it's simple piracy or data theft, they do it individually.

 

[Jomjom]

Sorry about the perceived insult, but my point was that you shouldn't just accept what Sony says without proof. For all we know, it's a frame up by either the real hackers, trying to lead the investigators a merry dance while they get away clean, or (much less likely) Sony covering their own ineptitude by blaming a fourth, uninvolved party.

All we have is their statement for now. Without evidence, it's meaningless.

Besides, it doesn't change the fact that someone got in and possibly stole 77--no, 100 million sets of account details, hashed or not, and Sony couldn't stop them due to poor server security and lax security protocol. Twice! Not to mention needing a whole week to get up the courage to tell people that they'd been compromised.

Believe me your point is well taken. I'm not saying that Sony deserves no blame, they do. But as it has already been said in this thread just as we can't accept what Sony says without proof, neither can we take whatever the Anonymous site, members of Anonymous, members claiming to act under the moniker of Anonymous, whatever you want to call it, says without proof. Additionally, Sony will and have answered to the feds, Anonymous answers to no one.

My original response was to a hope that Anonymous would not be vilified? Why not? I have yet to see anything from Anonymous that they condemn these attacks. On top of that even if Anonymous members were not responsible for this, there are many actions members have taken that have been despicable and illegal, namely many many attempts to squash free speech. Actions from these members that have been sanctioned, admitted to and approved of by their website that provides about as close to an official statement from the amorphous group as you're going to get. They should not be vilified for that?

 

[StarEye]

I just found out that to copy minis/PS1/PSP games which I bought and downloaded to my PS3, I have to be signed in. Fuck off, Sony. I don't need to download anything, I already have my games, but I can't play them on my PSP because I'm not signed in!

 

[Wazzim]

Where are all the people defending anonymous now?

Here.

 

[gofreak]

Umm...

...Sony is perfectly entitled to identify a culprit, if they can do so legitimately.

No matter how inept/negligent/whatever Sony was itself, no matter their own responsibility here, some other party also bears a role in all this, and I wouldn't mind knowing who it was. Sony's shortcomings don't absolve that party. It's not necessarily scapegoating to do that, I think Sony has pretty substantially acknowledged their own failure to protect the data properly.

 

[EricHasNoPull]

ITT: Delusional GAFers try to educate us about the principles and ideals of faceless, unorganized random, shit disturbing hackers.

 

[Jomjom]

I just found out that to copy minis/PS1/PSP games which I bought and downloaded to my PS3, I have to be signed in. Fuck off, Sony. I don't need to download anything, I already have my games, but I can't play them on my PSP because I'm not signed in!

I know what you are feeling. Luckily I downloaded a couple of PS1 games from Media Go on the computer before PSN went down. You can transfer to the PSP from that without being signed in. Might be good to do that when PSN is back up if you don't mind installing Media Go on your computer in case of future PSN failures.

 

[Seraphinianus]

I'm aware of that but he did sign off on the letter. Maybe I should have worded it differently but I can't help feeling like you knew what I meant.

sorry about that, just wanted to clarify.

 

[Wazzim]

lol - RRR

thats his signature?

Ridge Racer Revolution!

 

[The_Darkest_Red]

I just found out that to copy minis/PS1/PSP games which I bought and downloaded to my PS3, I have to be signed in. Fuck off, Sony. I don't need to download anything, I already have my games, but I can't play them on my PSP because I'm not signed in!

If they didn't do this couldn't you just copy the file to any PSP?

 

[Synless]

Uh, my Scott Pilgrim trophies have erased when I started playing the game as well. I am done playing anything on my PS3 until this shit has gotten fixed, I can't take the risk of losing tons of trophies that I have earned if the sync doesn't work.

 

[Eric C]

Well now that May 3rd's long gone and we still have no PSN. I'm going to now route for the first day that nobody picked. That way I'll still have a chance to win.

Go May 16th! Sorry Team May 4.

Spoiler

I don't care if PSN goes up sooner. I just hope the STORE goes up ASAP, I want to buy some games for my PSPGO

 

[ascii42]

I just found out that to copy minis/PS1/PSP games which I bought and downloaded to my PS3, I have to be signed in. Fuck off, Sony. I don't need to download anything, I already have my games, but I can't play them on my PSP because I'm not signed in!

I assume that's to regulate how many systems the games get copied onto.

 

[expy]

Uh, my Scott Pilgrim trophies have erased when I started playing the game as well. I am done playing anything on my PS3 until this shit has gotten fixed, I can't take the risk of losing tons of trophies that I have earned if the sync doesn't work.

They'll resync.

 

[babyghost853]

This is all I can do to pass the time. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKBuEhuCJ6Q

 

[Wazzim]

Yes, if they want to make a statement, they do so in the Anon banner. If it's simple piracy or data theft, they do it individually.

Yes because there is a central hub where they chat when they do an attack and they then take full responsibility as a group. In this case, the 'evil' hackers got outvoted and wanted to undertake action themselves.
Them putting a file with "We are Legion" etc etc doesn not mean that the central group known as Anonymous is behind this attack.

 

[Steve Youngblood]

Umm...

...Sony is perfectly entitled to identify a culprit, if they can do so legitimately.

No matter how inept/negligent/whatever Sony was itself, no matter their own responsibility here, some other party also bears a role in all this, and I wouldn't mind knowing who it was. Sony's shortcomings don't absolve that party. It's not necessarily scapegoating to do that, I think Sony has pretty substantially acknowledged their own failure to protect the data properly.

I obviously agree. Furthermore, the suggestion that they planted the file themselves to frame a scapegoat is rather hard to believe for several reasons. First, as others have mentioned, the falsification of evidence would do more harm than good. But even more importantly, in my book, is recognizing that this isn't really evidence. Unless they're leaving something else out, all I'm getting is that this is a plain text file. No matter who you believe or want to believe the heroes and the villains to be in this particular bit of theatre, this text file is not the smoking gun. It's not even a gun.

 

[sublimit]

You'd think so.

If the threat of jail actually worked at stopping people from doing things they're not supposed to, we'd live in a utopia.

Do you know how many teenagers shoplift just for the thrill of it? The consequences are real, but that doesn't matter.

That's because we have a shitty law system that makes every idiot think they can get away even if they get caught.
But even if few of these assholes go to trial i'm sure Sony's lawyers will make sure they stay in jail until they have white hair on their heads.

 

[Jomjom]

I don't care if PSN goes up sooner. I just hope the STORE goes up ASAP, I want to buy some games for my PSPGO

Didn't Sony state that the store would only go up after things like online play, qriocity, etc. went up first? It probably will be a long time before the actual store goes back up.

 

[The_Darkest_Red]

Yes because there is a central hub where they chat when they do an attack and they then take full responsibility as a group. In this case, the 'evil' hackers got outvoted and wanted to undertake action themselves.
Them putting a file with "We are Legion" etc etc doesn not mean that the central group known as Anonymous is behind this attack.

So we should expect an Anonymous civil war to break out soon?

 

[Eric C]

Didn't Sony state that the store would only go up after things like online play, qriocity, etc. went up first? It probably will be a long time before the actual store goes back up.

Sony said the store would be up within a month

 

[Curufinwe]

I have a feeling Sony just made up that Anonymous thing so that they have someone to go after.

Then lied about it to Congress because that's never a bad idea.

They said in the letter that they may never know if the same people who participated in the DOS attacks were conspirators or simply duped into providing cover for the real thief.

 

[Jomjom]

Sony said the store would be up within a month

Bleh. I just recently bought $200 worth of PSN cards to buy all the Squaresoft PS1 games too.

 

[StarEye]

I assume that's to regulate how many systems the games get copied onto.

Yeah, I understand why they do it, it's just really annoying, since I already registered my PSP with my PS3, so they should already be connected like that.

 

[Lince]

Where are all the people defending anonymous now?

Here.

I have a feeling Sony just made up that Anonymous thing so that they have someone to go after

yeah, I'm sure they want to lie to the FBI.

 

[The_Darkest_Red]

Then lied about it to Congress because that's never a bad idea.

Not to mention the fact that three outside parties and the FBI are involved...

 

[mik]

lol - RRR

thats his signature?

It's someone signing on his behalf. "RRR for..."

 

[Fox_Mulder]

Anonymous has become pathetic. sadness

 

[mbmonk]

Then lied about it to Congress because that's never a bad idea.

Oliver North?

 

[MrPink93485]

I figure it might be a red herring, for the actual intruder to throw Sony off a bit on their pursuit.

 

[Persona7]

hey guys what if PSN never comes back up?

 

[The_Darkest_Red]

hey guys what if PSN never comes back up?

The day that PSN never comes back up I will give you $10,000.

 

[Wazzim]

So we should expect an Anonymous civil war to break out soon?

No because the group that did this are random hackers saying they were Anon or individual members that did this on their own behalf. Those people would be in the minority since tons of Anon members have PSN accounts and were not pleased with the previous donwtime of PSN caused by attacks. The hackers can not create a 'civil war' because they weren't even part of Anon when they did it.

hey guys what if PSN never comes back up?

I'll just redeem my 12month Gold code.

 

[mbmonk]

hey guys what if PSN never comes back up?

I can easily see this happening. Finally someone reasonable points this out.

 

[ElRenoRaven]

Ok now those crying that OMG us PSN plus members only get what everyone else gets can shut the hell up. They said in that letter that you'll get the time missed plus a month.