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PSN still down, internal testers online in various games though

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Bumblebeetuna said:
Based on what? Obviously MS has better security. Sony has admitted their security was weak, haven't they?
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That Microsoft has a super shitty track record when it comes to security?... Windows, IE, Office, MSN, etc....
 
chubigans said:
Wow, so we're up to 100 million now. I think it's amazing that Sony was able to get 23 million more users since PSN has been down. ;)

And so, another new day begins. I expect a lot of this:

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77 million PSN + 24 million SOE = ???

Here's a hint, it's not profit.
 
I think that Sony is taking their time with this because there wasn't any big game releases this week. Surely they will have the PSN back up before the Brink release amirite?
 
Noshino said:
That Microsoft has a super shitty track record when it comes to security?... Windows, IE, Office, MSN, etc....
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That's because lots of people are looking for vulnerabilities in Microsoft products since they're so widely used in corporate settings. If nobody's looking, you won't find vulnerabilities.
 
maxxpower said:
I think that Sony is taking their time with this because there wasn't any big game releases this week. Surely they will have the PSN back up before the Brink release amirite?
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This thing has been down since MK, Portal 2, and Socom released. Pretty sure those 3 games are pretty significant to Sony.
 
chubigans said:
http://www.vertigogaming.net/HUD/psnisdownlawl.gi
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OMG. :lol Best .gif ever.

To nitpick:

Nobody with a brain pays $60, and you know that. MS makes $250 million dollars a year on subscriptions alone, not because of dumb consumers... but because they offer quite honestly... the superior service. And you get what you pay for, the past 2 weeks have been evident of that.
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...Uh-huh. Right. Because those people entering their CC information instead of getting subscribe cards gets a deal on it. Oh, wait, $60/year is the base price of the service and doesn't make that argument less void because "LOL SUBSCRIBE CARDS ARE CHEAP ON SALESSSSSZZZZZZ." MS wants you to pay $60, even if you get it for less. The argument is: Jumping ship and paying $250+60+60 due to a two week outage of not playing a shooter is a bit stupid.

But hey, if those people that jump ship are happy paying that price instead of waiting and enjoy their service on MS' ship, they're fine. But that doesn't mean I can't call them crazy and stupid for not sitting around and waiting.

TTP said:
The PSN has worked fine and free from 5 years now and this incident doesn't make Live more valuable in my eyes.
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This, basically. I don't see the need to rejump back on the XBL train because OMG I CAN'T PLAY CALL OF DUTY AND IT'S BEEN TWO WEEKS.

I guess because I haven't fully converted to "GOTTA HAVE MY ONLINE!" yet. I still play singleplayer games, even if I get multiplayer focused shooters like Battlefield and dump 700 hours into those.
 
RandomVince said:
I think the point TTP was making was that a hack could have hit XBL as easily as it could have hit PSN. And had it occurred, while there would still be wrath over it, there isnt a checklist/wishlist of lots of features that XBL users are after. PSN users are specifically after things like cross-game chat, for instance.

At the end of the day, the most important thing is that subscribers to either service are satisfied that their details are stored securely, and that in the event of an outage/disruption, they are kept in the loop as reasonably as possible. In that regard, Sony has a lot to learn from this event.
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At the end of the day, all I care about is that my console plays the games that I want to play, and that if I buy a game with online features I can access them. If what was important to me was cross-game chat I would have bought an Xbox. But really, all I care about is the games. Realistically, Sony can dick around all they want in getting PSN back up, and it would suck. But at the end of the day there's not really anything I can do about it besides get over it because I can't play Infamous or 3D Dot Game Heroes on an Xbox. I'm not excusing Sony for shitty service, I'm just saying that's the boat I'm in.
 
alphaNoid said:
Its funny the levels some of you are willing to go to convince yourself that there isn't another service out there. One that is stable, secure, feature rich, and more popular among consumers.

Nobody with a brain pays $60, and you know that. MS makes $250 million dollars a year on subscriptions alone, not because of dumb consumers... but because they offer quite honestly... the superior service. And you get what you pay for, the past 2 weeks have been evident of that.
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http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/03/xbox-live-outage-day-13-still-up-and-down-still-preventing-fu/

MS obviously didn't charge enough for Live. $1000 a year and the service would never ever have any outage issues, but too bad, people were getting what they were paying for.
 
HeresSomeWeapons said:
At the end of the day, all I care about is that my console plays the games that I want to play, and that if I buy a game with online features I can access them. If what was important to me was cross-game chat I would have bought an Xbox. But really, all I care about is the games. Realistically, Sony can dick around all they want in getting PSN back up, and it would suck. But at the end of the day there's not really anything I can do about it besides get over it because I can't play Infamous or 3D Dot Game Heroes on an Xbox. I'm not excusing Sony for shitty service, I'm just saying that's the boat I'm in.
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And thats perfectly fine. Im like you I imagine in that this outage hasnt outraged me at all. It's not even an inconvenience for me since Im currently 3000km from my ps3 and dont have my CC on file with it anyway. And that CC which used to be used on psn expired before the hack anyway.

But on principle this event is something that makes me question whether I can trust their products/networks in future. Ive been leaning further and further away from the main games they have on their system for a while now, so its not the reason for my decision. Its lots of little things that has happened with ps3 that have made me jaded with the platform, and lots of game I really like being available elsewhere.

Anyway thats probably digressing too much so I'll leave it there.

But it would be nice if they had more communication to their customers. There has been very little in the way of engagement with them at all since this broke, and that has to be doing them lots of PR harm in the absence of reliable info.
 
Reikon said:
That's because lots of people are looking for vulnerabilities in Microsoft products since they're so widely used in corporate settings. If nobody's looking, you won't find vulnerabilities.
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It's not necessarily the same things being compared here we have to remember. End-user front-end products are generally less secure than corporate backends solutions because of the level of experience the proprietors of the respective systems exercise. That said, MS has learned so much more about software than Sony by virtue of being in the [software] business longer and dealing with a much larger ecosystems of users and technology. Does MS have better security practices than Sony? Yes, but it's to be expected. That said, Sony was asleep at the wheel in a manner of sorts. They clearly didn't or poorly planned for this scenario and it's a mess now. Hopefully everyone (and obviously Sony) will learn from this royal fuck-up and plan better but at this point, all the finger pointing at Sony's missteps are partially hindsight.

I just remember what one relief worker from the US Military said after the recent Japan disasters: They trained for Earthquakes, they trained for Tsunamis, they trained for nuclear disasters and even combinations of those but they never really trained for all three happening at once and they're trying to do the best they can.

I'm not a Sony apologist and believe they should get shit-canned for their handling of this situation with their user-base and I also do not think MS is perfect but lets not start making disproportionate comparisons that don't do much to explain the reality of either company's current states.
 
TheSeks said:
...Uh-huh. Right. Because those people entering their CC information instead of getting subscribe cards gets a deal on it. Oh, wait, $60/year is the base price of the service and doesn't make that argument less void because "LOL SUBSCRIBE CARDS ARE CHEAP ON SALESSSSSZZZZZZ." MS wants you to pay $60, even if you get it for less. The argument is: Jumping ship and paying $250+60+60 due to a two week outage of not playing a shooter is a bit stupid.
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I'm not pissed off at the PSN because I can't play Modern Warfare 2 (or even LittleBigPlanet 2); I'm pissed off at the PSN because I have three games in limbo that I can't play because I can't download them, and because I can't play Portal 2 with my friends because I can't activate it on my Steam account. I'm pissed off because I don't believe that Sony made any effort whatsoever to protect my information. And while there is no potential for any damage to me because all of the information is quite outdated, it's the principle that if it weren't, I could have been right screwed. And it's the fact that Sony had been egging on people that could do me and other Sony gamers harm because they assumed that they were an impenetrable fortress, which they clearly were not. To sum up the reason why people are pissed off at Sony as them not being able to play a shooter is really dumb. The only reason why I would EVER jump ship is simple: I don't trust Sony anymore. I don't plan to, just because I have way too much money invested in - but without that hurdle, I imagine I would strongly consider switching.
 
I don't know why people keep bringing up Live in this thread. Are we assuming the hack wouldn't have been possible on a paid subscription service? Leaving one service to find a safe haven? This is like those zombie movies where the survivors barricade themselves in a building with heavy doors in the middle of the city, feeling impenetrable. Safe. You're really not.
 
Arklite said:
I don't know why people keep bringing up Live in this thread. Are we assuming the hack wouldn't have been possible on a paid subscription service? Leaving one service to find a safe haven? This is like those zombie movies where the survivors barricade themselves in a building with heavy doors in the middle of the city, feeling impenetrable. Safe. You're really not.
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It's just that all the hackers are happy on the 360 playing their pirated games. No reason to attack...
 
cabot said:
I don't remember xbox live ever going out.
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Well, it was never out but it was damn near impossible for me to play a game for about a week and a half. Still annoying but at least nothing was stolen.

And all I got was that piece of garbage Undertow. Sony better bring the goods.
 
Arklite said:
I don't know why people keep bringing up Live in this thread. Are we assuming the hack wouldn't have been possible on a paid subscription service? Leaving one service to find a safe haven? This is like those zombie movies where the survivors barricade themselves in a building with heavy doors in the middle of the city, feeling impenetrable. Safe. You're really not.
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Well, the controversy with the situation is more with Sony's actions than the situation itself. If Sony got hacked, had the information stolen, and quickly did everything in their power to fix the situation, I think the negative press would be much less severe. Hell, a lot of the major response has been more that Sony was irresponsible in the handling of the situation, not that they allowed it to happen. Microsoft, I imagine a lot of people imagine, would be better on this because people pay for the service (and as such would be much more costly if they were not careful in handling the situation).
 
arnoldocastillo2003 said:
OMG dude lets not start this, shit has been already stated many times in the thread:
http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/03/xbox-live-outage-day-13-still-up-and-down-still-preventing-fu/
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link says january 3rd, 2008.

probably why i don't remember.

Also: I'm not trying to "start" anything. This thread is moving fast and I don't sit in front of GAF and pound F5 every 10 seconds to keep up with it. Furthermore, I was championing the idea that another user had about mods locking this thread a few pages back, because all the "man, fuck sony. i'm done." comments were/are pointless.
 
If using the XBOX LIVE paying argument is true, then Steam must be one of the worst online services ever.
 
Arklite said:
I don't know why people keep bringing up Live in this thread. Are we assuming the hack wouldn't have been possible on a paid subscription service? Leaving one service to find a safe haven? This is like those zombie movies where the survivors barricade themselves in a building with heavy doors in the middle of the city, feeling impenetrable. Safe. You're really not.
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I think it's probably a more secure system just because of it's history and scope. Xbox Live is part of the Live ID system, which has been around for at least 15 years. It used to be Microsoft Wallet, Microsoft Passport, .NET Passport, before being renamed with the Live title. It covers not only XBL but a huge range of Microsoft online groups like Hotmail, MSNBC, MSN, and .NET. They've had a few security problems before too. Identify issues, some social engineering problems as well. But they've been attacked a great deal, especially when Microsoft was Linux enemy #1. By comparison, PSN is just getting started.
 
cabot said:
link says january 3rd, 2008.

probably why i don't remember.

Also: I'm not trying to "start" anything. This thread is moving fast and I don't sit in front of GAF and pound F5 every 10 seconds to keep up with it. Furthermore, I was championing the idea that another user had about mods locking this thread a few pages back, because all the "man, fuck sony. i'm done." comments were/are pointless.
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Sorry if i sounded a little harsh, the thing is that in this thread i cannot distinguish who is being a troll and who is a genuinely a normal person. This is what this thread has made with my mind.
 
IchigoSharingan said:
i like how arnaldo even capitalized xbox live outage so that he can truly get the bait out there
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it is kind of odd or funny when most of the Live users dont even remember the outage, yet the PSN users remember it so vividly.
 
arnoldocastillo2003 said:
OMG dude lets not start this, shit has been already stated many times in the thread:
http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/03/xbox-live-outage-day-13-still-up-and-down-still-preventing-fu/
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:lol I can't stop laughing at this reply because it's just ridiculous. First you make a comment about celebrating that PSN has surpassed XBL's outage, and then a poster comes and just makes a comment that he doesn't remember such thing (which is a perfectly fair reasonable comment) and you reply with this.

It's just hysterical.
 
Rewrite said:
:lol I can't stop laughing at this reply because it's just ridiculous. First you make a comment about celebrating that PSN has surpassed XBL's outage, and then a poster comes and just makes a comment that he doesn't remember such thing (which is a perfectly fair reasonable comment) and you reply with this.

It's just hysterical.
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I think the problem is that the XBL outage was vastly different for many people. Some had trouble logging in and getting kicked out of games. Some people didn't experiencing a single thing. Some nights were slow, and some nights were fine. It's not like it was down hard, so if you weren't reading blogs or game sites you could have not even known.
 
bangai-o said:
it is kind of odd or funny when most of the Live users dont even remember the outage, yet the PSN users remember it so vividly.
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Just like the PSN users will move on from this once PSN goes back online but the Xbox live users will remember it as if it was the Great Depression.
 
Part of me wants to point out that at no time was Live even fully offline, or the fact that many users weren't even effected by the outage, but emotions are clearly high so I'll keep those facts to myself and let the carnival continue uninterrupted.
 
Has anybody put together some sort of "re-cap" post? I'd like to knew what the hell is going on here without having to wade through thousands of posts spread across numerous threads.
 
Lets try and get this thread back to a bit of normality, does anyone think that due to the sever upgrades that we see any signification new features?, and what do you think those features may be?

Obvious one is cross gamer chat I suppose, but little things like not having to sync trophies manually would be a big upgrade imo.
 
weekend_warrior said:
Has anybody put together some sort of "re-cap" post? I'd like to knew what the hell is going on here without having to wade through thousands of posts spread across numerous threads.
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i did on Monday. Without a previous posts tool, ill never find it. This whole thing spans two threads actually.
 
watership said:
I think the problem is that the XBL outage was vastly different for many people. Some had trouble logging in and getting kicked out of games. Some people didn't experiencing a single thing. Some nights were slow, and some nights were fine. It's not like it was down hard, so if you weren't reading blogs or game sites you could have not even known.
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Oh definitely. I remember the outage myself and I was affected by it for several days. It's just that I found that reply funny because he was the one who brought it up lol.
 
Missed some news, I now read it was Anonymous after all? (or at least criminal elements who saw an opportunity and tagged along?)

Are there any news on the cc info? My buddy's cc was locked by his bank because on the 2nd May someone tried to buy a Netflix sub with it (not available here). If there is still nothing known I guess it's a coincidence, but it's strange because he's very careful with his data.
 
lowrider007 said:
Lets try and get this thread back to a bit of normality, does anyone think that due to the sever upgrades that we see any signification new features?, and what do you think those features may be?

Obvious one is cross gamer chat I suppose, but little things like not having to sync trophies manually would be a big upgrade imo.
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I actually fully expect zero new features. I would be very pleasantly surprised if there are new features when PSN comes back up, but I am not expecting any at all.
I'm not sure why I think this but better to not expect anything than be disappointed

Cross game chat and auto trophy sync would be nice. I like to compare trophies with people to see their progress in a game sometimes, but a lot of people don't sync and they have very few trophies in games I've seen them playing for weeks... kind of annoying
 
jim-jam bongs said:
Part of me wants to point out that at no time was Live even fully offline, or the fact that many users weren't even effected by the outage, but emotions are clearly high so I'll keep those facts to myself and let the carnival continue uninterrupted.
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...You just did.

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lowrider007 said:
Lets try and get this thread back to a bit of normality, does anyone think that due to the sever upgrades that we see any signification new features?, and what do you think those features may be?

Obvious one is cross gamer chat I suppose, but little things like not having to sync trophies manually would be a big upgrade imo.
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Yeah keep expectations real low.
 
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