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PSP RPGs

Talamatross said:
Sony announced a new game called REZEL CROSS.
http://www.the-magicbox.com/0702/game070203a.shtml

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Its out in a few months in Japan.
BELIEVE.

Wtf is this? This looks awesome. Is it an action rpg, or turn based w/dramatic camera (looking at the pic).

edit: Just checked the link and WOW (many more pics and a brief synopsis of the game)! This game looks amazing.
 
Error2k4 said:
so... a bunch of ports of old rpgs makes the PSP one of the best handhelds for RPGs?

I'm saying for people who only speak/read English if all the rpgs on the system were localized.

I know you like to knock ports, but at the end of the day if an audience never played the original there is NO difference between it and a new game to them. On top of that the rpgs being ported are some great rpgs, better ones that most rpgs made for the handhelds.

Sure if you're the average Japanese citizen, it's no big deal since you can play these on old systems if you have them, and because no one is localizing a lot of these, US audiences aren't getting a great rpg system either.

But say you are someone new to the rpg genre in Japan. On the PSP you have:
-Suikoden I
-Suikoden II
-Devil Summoner
-Valkyrie Profile
-Tales of Phantasia
-Tales of Eternia
-Tales of Destiny 2
-Tengai Makyou 4th Apocalypse
-FFT
-Disgaea
-FF1
-FF2
-Brave Story
-Monster Kingdom
-Twelve
-Jeanne D' Arc
-Popolocrois I/II mix
-Metal Gear Acid
-Metal Gear Acid 2

Now are you going to tell me that's not a GREAT lineup for people who like the rpg genre and want a handheld? That's a lot of rpgs, including some very excellent ones, and I even left off a few like the shitty Idea Factory games.

Obviously your milage will vary depending on which games you've played already, and depending on which games are available in your native language, but the point remains that it's a good system for rpgs.
 
Bebpo said:
Obviously your milage will vary depending on which games you've played already, and depending on which games are available in your native language, but the point remains that it's a good system for rpgs.

I would say that it's a good system for RPGs in Japanese, but it's not at this point an especially good system for original RPGs (in Japanese and English), and any system is going to be primarily defined by the original content it offers.

Let's say that day after tomorrow, every single excellent SNES and Genesis RPG gets put on the Wii's Virtual Console (not going to happen, of course; this is strictly a hypothetical). Now yes, that's a nice selling point to have. But it doesn't really make the Wii itself, as a console, a good system for RPGs... because it's the new stuff that any system brings to the table that really defines it.

I'm not going to get into the comparisons you keep making about other handhelds. I'm just going to discuss the system this thread is specifically about and the RPGs for it; there's no need for this to become yet another DS vs. PSP thread.
 
ethelred said:
Let's say that day after tomorrow, every single excellent SNES and Genesis RPG gets put on the Wii's Virtual Console (not going to happen, of course; this is strictly a hypothetical). Now yes, that's a nice selling point to have. But it doesn't really make the Wii itself, as a console, a good system for RPGs... because it's the new stuff that any system brings to the table that really defines it.

Actually if the Wii had every NES/NES/N64/TG-16 rpg on VC...yeah, I'd call it a good rpg console :P
 
Bebpo said:
Actually if the Wii had every NES/NES/N64/TG-16 rpg on VC...yeah, I'd call it a good rpg console :P

I wouldn't. It'd be, as I said, a nice selling point, but that's all. It wouldn't make the Wii itself a good RPG console, it'd just mean that it plays a lot of great RPGs from better consoles.

Maybe that strikes you as a matter of semantics, but I see a pretty big difference between the two scenarios. As I said, any system is going to be defined by the original content it offers people who buy it. Because if you toss in ports, you might as well just toss in emulation, and by that standard my laptop is the best RPG console. That's just not how it is.
 
ethelred said:
I wouldn't. It'd be, as I said, a nice selling point, but that's all. It wouldn't make the Wii itself a good RPG console, it'd just mean that it plays a lot of great RPGs from better consoles.

Maybe that strikes you as a matter of semantics, but I see a pretty big difference between the two scenarios. As I said, any system is going to be defined by the original content it offers people who buy it. Because if you toss in ports, you might as well just toss in emulation, and by that standard my laptop is the best RPG console. That's just not how it is.

Sure, original content is important but I just think you and Error are always low-balling ports like you've already played them (and maybe you have!). Games like Brave Story, Jeanne D' Arc, Monster Kingdom, and a handful of B/C quality rpgs (of which DS/GBA have a bunch as well) show that the PSP does get original rpgs as well.

I dunno, I think most people were pretty happy about FFVa/FFVIa.

Personally all that matters to me is if I've played a game before (I don't replay games). If the Wii was like that, then there'd be a ton of rpgs I've never played, which would be great. On PSP, I haven't played most of the games being ported (besides SuikodenI/II, ToD2, FFT, FF1) so for the most part they're all new to me and I already have a large backlog of PSP rpgs I'd like to play eventually.
 
Bebpo said:
I'm saying for people who only speak/read English if all the rpgs on the system were localized.

I know you like to knock ports, but at the end of the day if an audience never played the original there is NO difference between it and a new game to them. On top of that the rpgs being ported are some great rpgs, better ones that most rpgs made for the handhelds.

Sure if you're the average Japanese citizen, it's no big deal since you can play these on old systems if you have them, and because no one is localizing a lot of these, US audiences aren't getting a great rpg system either.

But say you are someone new to the rpg genre in Japan. On the PSP you have:
-Suikoden I
-Suikoden II
-Devil Summoner
-Valkyrie Profile
-Tales of Phantasia
-Tales of Eternia
-Tales of Destiny 2
-Tengai Makyou 4th Apocalypse
-FFT
-Disgaea
-FF1
-FF2
-Brave Story
-Monster Kingdom
-Twelve
-Jeanne D' Arc
-Popolocrois I/II mix
-Metal Gear Acid
-Metal Gear Acid 2

Now are you going to tell me that's not a GREAT lineup for people who like the rpg genre and want a handheld? That's a lot of rpgs, including some very excellent ones, and I even left off a few like the shitty Idea Factory games.

Obviously your milage will vary depending on which games you've played already, and depending on which games are available in your native language, but the point remains that it's a good system for rpgs.

You left out tales of the world :P
 
FateBreaker said:
as he should

Whaaaaaaa?

It's pretty cool! Not as good as a traditional Tales game mind you (Tempest aside), but it's a pretty neat game from what I played IMO.
 
it's the most progressive rpg

that should be in the box

"The most progressive rpg" - bebpo
 
ethelred said:
Maybe that strikes you as a matter of semantics, but I see a pretty big difference between the two scenarios. As I said, any system is going to be defined by the original content it offers people who buy it. Because if you toss in ports, you might as well just toss in emulation, and by that standard my laptop is the best RPG console. That's just not how it is.

But, ethel! If that's your case, then do you really count Riviera as a good booster to the GBA's RPG rep? It is, after all, a Wonderswan port.

On my personal note, I count any RPG I have never played before (be it a port, remake, or whatever) as contributing to how good the system is for RPGs. Of course that might not be a very fair way to go about things, but I don't claim that my benchmark should be used by anyone else, after all. *shrugs*
 
Rather than starting a new topic, I'm bumping this one from the grave. (sorry)

I'm probably about halfway through Jeanne D'arc, but will be hankering for a new PSP RPG soon. Anyone got any good recommendations?
 
Both of the Star ocean titles (first depature and second evolution) are pretty good.

And you could always wait for Crimson Gem saga which is coming out in May. It's looking pretty good for a buget title (only $30)
 
radiantdreamer said:
Rather than starting a new topic, I'm bumping this one from the grave. (sorry)

I'm probably about halfway through Jeanne D'arc, but will be hankering for a new PSP RPG soon. Anyone got any good recommendations?



You can't go wrong with Wildarms XF.

Also WTF happened to REZEL CROSS. I completely forgot about this game. Why the hell hasn't anyone brought this over.
 
radiantdreamer said:
Rather than starting a new topic, I'm bumping this one from the grave. (sorry)

I'm probably about halfway through Jeanne D'arc, but will be hankering for a new PSP RPG soon. Anyone got any good recommendations?

Brave Story: New Traveler is good, if a bit rote.

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Hcoregamer00 said:
Do you want him to hate RPG's?

:lol

Heh, true, but if you have nothing else it's worth a go. There's really not much on the PSP in the way of RPGs that hasn't already been mentioned. Of that, though, I'd say Gurumin is the best choice for something original.
 
Peronthious said:
Heh, true, but if you have nothing else it's worth a go. There's really not much on the PSP in the way of RPGs that hasn't already been mentioned. Of that, though, I'd say Gurumin is the best choice for something original.

I could think of a couple of good ones off the top of my head.

Star Ocean: The First Departure
Star Ocean: Second Evolution
Phantasy Star Portable
 
lol so in other words, nothing new.

Beat Brave Story. Thought it was generic, but the graphics were pretty.

Beat Crisis Core. I was sorry I played it, but the graphics were pretty.

Beat Gurumin. The gameplay was alright it was fun, and the graphics were pretty.

Haven't seen Rezel Cross here yet... the graphics are pretty.

Already beat Star Ocean 2 on PS1, so not really up for that drudgery again. The graphics are pretty though.

Would like to play Star Ocean 1, but I fear it's like the drudgery of Star Ocean 2. Graphics look just as pretty.

What about Riviera and Yggdra Union?

Also, a new one, Class of Heroes seems to be coming out soon.

Hmmm... Might check out Phantasy Star Portable... though the presentation of it feels very cheap... IGN also says the story sucks :(

There seems to be a few more coming out, and I'm sure there's more oldies that were good, weren't there??
 
radiantdreamer said:
lol so in other words, nothing new.

Beat Brave Story. Thought it was generic, but the graphics were pretty.

Beat Crisis Core. I was sorry I played it, but the graphics were pretty.

Beat Gurumin. The gameplay was alright it was fun, and the graphics were pretty.

Haven't seen Rezel Cross here yet... the graphics are pretty.

Already beat Star Ocean 2 on PS1, so not really up for that drudgery again. The graphics are pretty though.

Would like to play Star Ocean 1, but I fear it's like the drudgery of Star Ocean 2. Graphics look just as pretty.

What about Riviera and Yggdra Union?

Also, a new one, Class of Heroes seems to be coming out soon.

Hmmm... Might check out Phantasy Star Portable... though the presentation of it feels very cheap... IGN also says the story sucks :(

There seems to be a few more coming out, and I'm sure there's more oldies that were good, weren't there??
maybe check out a game with shitty graphics
 
Crisis Core is an abomination, and I am sad to say that there isn't a single original rpg on the system that is better than average.

That being said, the port of Disgaea is awesome and one of the most charming games to ever be made.
 
radiantdreamer said:
Hmmm... Might check out Phantasy Star Portable... though the presentation of it feels very cheap... IGN also says the story sucks :(
It's not bad. The story does suck. It's written for 10 year olds. The presentation is decent enough. The environments are reasonably varied and look ok. It's not on par with say, monster hunter, but you get a little more variety.
The game's mainly about loot tho, so if that's your thing, great. If not, forget it.

dionysus said:
That being said, the port of Disgaea is awesome and one of the most charming games to ever be made.
Yeah. I enjoyed it a lot more than the one on PS3.
 
ethelred said:
Okay, let's take this one step at a time.



Well, if we're going by "popularity," then the PSP Legend of Heroes games aren't that popular. The first one sold over 100k, but the Japanese gaming public was apparently so reviled that the second barely cracked five digits and the third game did even worse.

So if that's your gauge here, that doesn't really come out in these games' favor. But you are the one that brought popularity up.



They weren't "ported" to the PSP, they were remade for the PSP by Bandai. Legend of Heroes VI: Sora no Kiseki FC and SC are ports, and they're being handled directly by Falcom.

So yeah, I guess it's fair to say that if you take some quality games and put them in Bandai's hands they end up sucking. Because that's what happened here.



Not true at all. You've tried this old canard out before, and it's awfully wrong. Identical gameplay to the old SNES games? Bull. There's far more gameplay depth in the most praised ones -- FFV, FFVI, Dragon Quest VI, Chrono Trigger, Lufia 2, the Romancing SaGa trilogy, Tales of Phantasia, Super Mario RPG, Star Ocean, and on and on. Even if you look strictly at purely "classical" gameplay like, say, DQV, there's a lot more depth there because, A) you get a huge party of characters to manage and control, and B) there's genuine challenge in the gameplay.

Bare-bones traditional gameplay doesn't work when the game is so easy a monkey could play it successfully.



A lot of the old translations were pretty good. Even with the bad translations, though, most of the praised SNES RPGs had far, far better characters and characterizations than what are present in the Bandai Legend of Heroes remakes.



You're right that the basic narrative arc of Moonlight Witch contains, on paper, evidence of more originality than the plot in A Tear of Vermillion. However, in practice, it doesn't go much further than that -- while that narrative arc has potential, it doesn't realize anything beyond bland cliches in the actual execution (IE, the meat of the story), or in the characters.

A Tear of Vermillion doesn't even have that pretense of a saving grace.



Sure, keep blaming things on bias. It's all The Liberal Media's fault.



No, there is (and should be) an expectation for the RPGs of any system to live up to objective measures of quality regardless of the platform they're on. A consumer shouldn't sacrifice minimum standards of quality simply because a game isn't on the PS2 -- that's no excuse for below average gameplay, narrative presentation, or any of the other primary factors in determining a game's quality.



Or people that also enjoy RPGs from Konami, Atlus, Capcom, Namco, Sega...? And "cutscenes," incidentally, have nothing to do with it. I don't think a single person has lodged a complaint against The Legend of Heroes, Lord of the Rings Tactics, Astonishia Story, or Generation of Chaos that "there aren't enough cutscenes." If you can find an example of such, I'd welcome seeing it.



Yes. Then we can read trancejeremy's 10/10 Legend of Heroes review, which is certainly the most fair account we'll find.

Classic GAF ownage right there. Congrats!
 
radiantdreamer said:
lol so in other words, nothing new.

Beat Brave Story. Thought it was generic, but the graphics were pretty.

Beat Crisis Core. I was sorry I played it, but the graphics were pretty.

Beat Gurumin. The gameplay was alright it was fun, and the graphics were pretty.

Haven't seen Rezel Cross here yet... the graphics are pretty.

Already beat Star Ocean 2 on PS1, so not really up for that drudgery again. The graphics are pretty though.

Would like to play Star Ocean 1, but I fear it's like the drudgery of Star Ocean 2. Graphics look just as pretty.

What about Riviera and Yggdra Union?

Also, a new one, Class of Heroes seems to be coming out soon.

Hmmm... Might check out Phantasy Star Portable... though the presentation of it feels very cheap... IGN also says the story sucks :(

There seems to be a few more coming out, and I'm sure there's more oldies that were good, weren't there??
So the graphics were pretty, then? I'm not quite clear on that.
 
Remake of Persona: Revelations looks promising. Also I hope the remake of Growlanser is localized. I also saw somewhere that Disgaea 2 is being ported...
 
Rezel Cross never made it to North America... It did see an asia release though.

And yeah, I heard that Disgaea 2 is in the port-works. Though I guess I should first play the first one. lol.

I managed to nab an asian version of Crimson Gem Saga (weird how it's fully subtitled in english...). Gonna try that out. If I like it, it's definitely gonna be on my to-buy list.
 
seriously, it's all about Monster Hunter Freedom 2 (or Unite soon!!)
you will save so much money, seeing as how MH will suck the attention away from all your other hyped games :D

if you have a PS3 you can get online with the Ad Hoc party too
 
radiantdreamer said:
You may regret it, and it may destroy everything you love about FF. (well, maybe not that far, but you may hate it)

Don't be ridiculous.
CC is flawed, but very enjoyable if you love fan service (+ FFVII).
 
Aru said:
Don't be ridiculous.
CC is flawed, but very enjoyable if you love fan service (+ FFVII).

It was flawed enough that it unfortunately made me start hating it. It was definitely a love/hate relationship.

Loved the battles, hated the DMW. If they didn't have the DMW, or implemented their limit break system in a better, less disruptive way, then it would have been perfect.

Loved the cutscenes, hated the overall story about Genesis and Angeal. The focus should have been more on Zack. Overall, it seemed to me like he was simply caught up in some lame story arc that didn't really develop his character very much.

Loved the graphics, and the music too. Hated the lame "mission" system. I don't think I need to say more about how incredibly lame the mission system is.

Etc. etc.

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Ooh. I never did play Tales of Eternia. Maybe I should pick that up. Any chance that it has Japanese voice overs?

Of course, I should probably play my Tales of Legendia first... I've had it since day one, and never played it...
 
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